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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 2, 2021 17:15:35 GMT -5
Don’t miss the bra and panties/mud wrestling stuff at all, personally. My favorite divas were people like Lita and Trish because they kicked ass in the ring. The way they looked didn’t hurt, I was a teenage boy after all, but I didn’t tune in to Raw to be titillated, I was there for the action and wild characters. I could go online and find whatever, I didn’t need it in my fighting show. I was also a fan of Bull Nakano and Madusa/Alundra Blayze at their peaks, that’s what the best women’s wrestling was to me at the time. Lita was and is my favorite. She was such a head turner, because when she came in, nobody was doing the stuff she was doing. Her comes this fiery red head doing all these lucha style moves. No woman's wrestler in the WWE was doing that. She had a look that was badass and yet sexy at the same time. It was for me a game changer. She was legit here you had a a bunch of women who at the time was doing nothing but bikini shoots and Bra and Pant matches. Trish hasn't became the polish wrestler she became, not in 00. Than here comes her. I could go on and on about her.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Feb 2, 2021 19:31:12 GMT -5
I think something you have to keep in mind when it comes to T&A on pro wrestling shows is that back in the late 90s, not as many people had the internet, actual porn was harder to come by, and so there actually was more demand for PG13/light R rated fanservice.
The other thing is that when it was just Sable, well, good writing and a weird kind of charisma made it work for Sable when it wouldn't have worked for 95% of the women, wrestlers or divas, who worked for WWE. Also, when Sable was doing it it had never been done before. As soon as you got Terri and The Kat and BB and all the other original crop of Divas doing it too, it lost its impact and the slide to cringe had begun. It hit its nadir when The Rock couldn't get people to care about the Diva Search.
One last thing that people should keep in mind is that Lita got more over by doing a moonsault than Trish got over by doing the infamous table lingerie promo, which proves the thing about women's fanservice outdrawing women's wrestling wrong.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 2, 2021 19:45:17 GMT -5
The other thing is that when it was just Sable, well, good writing and a weird kind of charisma made it work for Sable when it wouldn't have worked for 95% of the women, wrestlers or divas, who worked for WWE. Also, when Sable was doing it it had never been done before. As soon as you got Terri and The Kat and BB and all the other original crop of Divas doing it too, it lost its impact and the slide to cringe had begun. It hit its nadir when The Rock couldn't get people to care about the Diva Search.
When it was first a big thing I wasn't really old enough to want to look at women with few/no clothes on. By the time I was, I had enough access to the internet that I could look at women on there. So it wasn't something that I ever found appealing, personally. If anything I found it all a bit awkward and embarrassing.
Now I still find it awkward and embarrassing, but in a different way. Watching back and seeing Sable with hands painted on her tits, or Jacqueline getting her top ripped off, or bra & panties and mud wrestling matches, or Trish Stratus being made to bark, just makes me cringe because they were made to look like idiots just to titillate the Vinces and Kevin Dunn, and for sad and pathetic Jerry Lawler to slobber over them. On top of everything else it was just bad television, as people have mentioned a lot of them just contributed nothing other than an ability to walk around in bikinis. It was one of the absolute worst things about nineties and noughties WWF television.
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Post by Fade on Feb 2, 2021 20:37:44 GMT -5
The other thing is that when it was just Sable, well, good writing and a weird kind of charisma made it work for Sable when it wouldn't have worked for 95% of the women, wrestlers or divas, who worked for WWE. Also, when Sable was doing it it had never been done before. As soon as you got Terri and The Kat and BB and all the other original crop of Divas doing it too, it lost its impact and the slide to cringe had begun. It hit its nadir when The Rock couldn't get people to care about the Diva Search. When it was first a big thing I wasn't really old enough to want to look at women with few/no clothes on. By the time I was, I had enough access to the internet that I could look at women on there. So it wasn't something that I ever found appealing, personally. If anything I found it all a bit awkward and embarrassing. Now I still find it awkward and embarrassing, but in a different way. Watching back and seeing Sable with hands painted on her tits, or Jacqueline getting her top ripped off, or bra & panties and mud wrestling matches, or Trish Stratus being made to bark, just makes me cringe because they were made to look like idiots just to titillate the Vinces and Kevin Dunn, and for sad and pathetic Jerry Lawler to slobber over them. On top of everything else it was just bad television, as people have mentioned a lot of them just contributed nothing other than an ability to walk around in bikinis. It was one of the absolute worst things about nineties and noughties WWF television.
Really think that was in a “league of its own”, so to speak, because even as a horny teen, that was just off-putting.
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Post by The Creepo Man on Feb 2, 2021 21:32:40 GMT -5
Playing devil’s advocate here, this was during a time when Jerry Springer was defeating Oprah in TV viewership and people wanted to see trashy TV. Those old enough to remember the show know that catfights were a staple of the show as well as shock topics like “You’re Too Fat To Make Porn”, “My Wife Left Me For My Father” and “I Married A Horse” drew eyeballs to the TV for about five years.
I remember looking at old websites like xwrestling.com aka Wrestling Uncensored where the posters created 14+ fanfic stories like “My Dinner With The Rock” & “My Psychological Assessment of the Ultimate Warrior”. I still have those stories printed on old sheets of paper that are over 20 years old. Polls such as “Which wrestler would you least like to be raped by in prison?” were commonplace.
My point is that the Attitude Era appealed to fans who were also fans of other crash TV shows. Those people wanted their T & A gratification anywhere they could find it. Generation X was the first to use the Internet but it was still in its primitive stages compared to now. I don’t think Facebook or YouTube were created until the crash TV era had ended, and there were no dating apps or PornHub so regular TV and print media still served a big purpose. Therefore, WWF Attitude and the Ruthless Aggression were there to satisfy the male audience demand for sex while technology continued to advance.
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 2, 2021 22:23:05 GMT -5
I think something you have to keep in mind when it comes to T&A on pro wrestling shows is that back in the late 90s, not as many people had the internet, actual porn was harder to come by, and so there actually was more demand for PG13/light R rated fanservice. The other thing is that when it was just Sable, well, good writing and a weird kind of charisma made it work for Sable when it wouldn't have worked for 95% of the women, wrestlers or divas, who worked for WWE. Also, when Sable was doing it it had never been done before. As soon as you got Terri and The Kat and BB and all the other original crop of Divas doing it too, it lost its impact and the slide to cringe had begun. It hit its nadir when The Rock couldn't get people to care about the Diva Search. One last thing that people should keep in mind is that Lita got more over by doing a moonsault than Trish got over by doing the infamous table lingerie promo, which proves the thing about women's fanservice outdrawing women's wrestling wrong.I don't know about you, but I actually liked Trish Stratus' table porn vignettes, both then and now. It was during Bubba Ray's phase where he was obsessed with driving women through tables and Trish Stratus used that to get inside his head. It was good storytelling. As a horny teen, I didn't mind sexuality in WWF(if anything, I encouraged it), but my breaking point was when Vince made Trish strip and bark like a dog. That was low-brow even by pro wrestling standards. I was so outraged by that I wanted to write a letter to the network for airing that garbage.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 3, 2021 5:30:23 GMT -5
Literally EVERY guy I knew had a major crush on Lita who, while obviously she had marketable sex appeal, was not marketed primarily as a sex symbol. Male fans have always been willing to accept women in wrestling as more than just eye candy.
As a young girl, I loved Trish from the start but I cried when she did the barking like a dog. I still hate that she did it.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 3, 2021 8:15:43 GMT -5
One last thing that people should keep in mind is that Lita got more over by doing a moonsault than Trish got over by doing the infamous table lingerie promo, which proves the thing about women's fanservice outdrawing women's wrestling wrong. I will say that had WWE had a ppv mainevented by something like Trips, Angle, and Steph vs Team Extreme or Rock, Taker, and Lita; that ppv would have sold. Lita and Steph were massively over, and Lita was face main eventer in 2000 over. That's not something everybody could say.
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