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Post by chrom on Nov 22, 2021 17:42:54 GMT -5
It’s starting to get exhausting at this point. I was really ready for Big E to win last night. The crowd wanted it. Just massive downer and then fade to black at the end. Give us hope that Roman is losing soon because atm there is no hope in sight. He's not losing for the next six months at least
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 22, 2021 17:51:00 GMT -5
I get the frustration of same old, same old, but imo, by no way shape or form, should have Roman’s first L taken place in a glorified exhibition match with nothing on the line. I get being over it, but there’s still a perspective to be kept. Big E looked strong too. Why not? Big E would have suddenly gained a massive swell of momentum from that win, decisively proving himself on Raw to be a stronger champion and avenging his friends. The newly crowned champion has a lot to gain from that bump from the top guy of many years now, while Roman can easily be rebuilt and doesn't seem like he's going away any time soon. So yeah, he could totally eat one (1) loss to put over someone. That's a good use of all that work because Big E is a champion too, and one in greater need of that credibility.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 22, 2021 18:17:06 GMT -5
They're apparently trying to book Roman as the GOAT in this run, that's actually been reported in the past. The problem is that doing this with him as a heel is that it essentially means everybody is going to be fodder whose credibility will be shattered by feuding with him. It also raises the question of what do you do with Roman once it's over? You can't ever really top this reign (and please for the love of God DO NOT TRY), but you can't just ever make him just another member of the roster after this either. Not to mention by the end of this run he's pretty much going to have beaten everybody on the roster, leaving no fresh match ups. Right now he's got Jeff Hardy, a rematch with Lesnar, Drew McIntyre, Lashley (if he jumps ship), Seth Rollins (if he jumps ship), Shinsuke Nakamura, Xavier Woods, and Kofi Kingston. I'm sure there's an Elimination Chamber in there too. That's not including his dream match with The Rock. Which may or may not happen at Wrestlemania 39. From my count that gets him to Summerslam 2022, with months yet to go until his Dream match and the supposed end point of his story. The real question is can they/will they keep this up for that long? Are they actually willing to utterly tank the credibility of their entire roster for another year? And even beyond that what payoff could there possibly be to justify all of this? It is worse than Triple H's reign of terror, because at the end Batista was a made man who ended the Reign of Terror. There hasn't been anybody built to that level at this point, and Roman doesn't have nearly the credibility Triple H had to make a new star. This is ineptitude of the highest order. At the rate they’re going, we might be not the only ones getting sick and tired of Roman’s dominance.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Nov 22, 2021 18:31:25 GMT -5
Big E losing was duuumb. He didn't even have to win clean cause it was Rock month and Rock could have cost Roman the match going Extreme Mana or something idk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 18:57:33 GMT -5
Personally I don't mind if Roman won if it was done by cheating. Having it be clean makes no sense unless it's leading to a rematch where Big E wins which I doubt. Roman can win but have it make sense for his opponent. I'm already seeing them do the whole "Ambrose took Lesnar to the limit" thing with this. Just call it what it is and make it up to Big E.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 22, 2021 18:59:07 GMT -5
Personally I don't mind if Roman won if it was done by cheating. Having it be clean makes no sense unless it's leading to a rematch where Big E wins which I doubt. Roman can win but have it make sense for his opponent. I'm already seeing them do the whole "Ambrose took Lesnar to the limit" thing with this. Just call it what it is and make it up to Big E. Make it up to him by doing what? He’s already the other world champion (which was the make good for Ambrose). Sure, he’ll probably beat Rollins when they have their title match, but then who? Lashley again? Styles? Omos?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 19:01:33 GMT -5
Personally I don't mind if Roman won if it was done by cheating. Having it be clean makes no sense unless it's leading to a rematch where Big E wins which I doubt. Roman can win but have it make sense for his opponent. I'm already seeing them do the whole "Ambrose took Lesnar to the limit" thing with this. Just call it what it is and make it up to Big E. By doing what? He’s already the other world champion. Sure, he’ll probably beat Rollins when they have their title match, but then who? Lashley again? Styles? Omos? I'm not sure he's beating Rollins. I get the feeling they're setting up him beating Owens and then he loses to Rollin in their match. If he beats them both I'd be surprised. I'd say make it up to him by having Reigns do something he's never done and acknowledge Big E, have the announcers say that match banged Reigns up some and even tease a potential rematch to which Reigns backs out of. It won't happen but it'd be easy to do and would help Big E rather than blanket comments by announcers and such.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 22, 2021 19:16:01 GMT -5
By doing what? He’s already the other world champion. Sure, he’ll probably beat Rollins when they have their title match, but then who? Lashley again? Styles? Omos? I'm not sure he's beating Rollins. I get the feeling they're setting up him beating Owens and then he loses to Rollin in their match. If he beats them both I'd be surprised. I'd say make it up to him by having Reigns do something he's never done and acknowledge Big E, have the announcers say that match banged Reigns up some and even tease a potential rematch to which Reigns backs out of. It won't happen but it'd be easy to do and would help Big E rather than blanket comments by announcers and such. See, I’m not sold yet that Rollins is winning the belt again, so I’d like to hear what the reasoning for that is. Is it so they have him and Lynch both as champions again but as OTT heels? What would be the WrestleMania match for Rollins, because if you thought the heel side for Big E wasn’t much chop, then what does that make the babyface side for Rollins? Pretty much just Balor, right?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 22, 2021 19:26:57 GMT -5
Congratulations to Roman on his first clean won in this ENTIRE terrible f***ing reign.
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Post by john84 on Nov 22, 2021 19:33:18 GMT -5
As expected he won last night lol. At least there weren't any shenanigans.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 20:00:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure he's beating Rollins. I get the feeling they're setting up him beating Owens and then he loses to Rollin in their match. If he beats them both I'd be surprised. I'd say make it up to him by having Reigns do something he's never done and acknowledge Big E, have the announcers say that match banged Reigns up some and even tease a potential rematch to which Reigns backs out of. It won't happen but it'd be easy to do and would help Big E rather than blanket comments by announcers and such. See, I’m not sold yet that Rollins is winning the belt again, so I’d like to hear what the reasoning for that is. Is it so they have him and Lynch both as champions again but as OTT heels? What would be the WrestleMania match for Rollins, because if you thought the heel side for Big E wasn’t much chop, then what does that make the babyface side for Rollins? Pretty much just Balor, right? Mostly due to the setup. Even if social media isn't an indication of everything I'm seeing all of these Rollins posts everywhere (more than Owens) so he's being painted as a bigger deal. While I do think Owens will lose to Big E, I'm just not sure if they'll go the "ok Big E beat Owens and now Rollins" idea because that's just a lot for one man. If he were Reigns, I'd see it but given Rollins is being built up as this utility main eventing mastermind (similar to how Edge was) and given he got the Edge match at Summerslam, given he won in that match last night, given he won that contract, it's like they're building him up for something big and I'm not sure what it is besides beating Big E for the belt. If it's not Balor I could see it being Owens if Owens re-signs with the company and if not that then chances are it might even be Big E again in a rematch as I can see E coming back to face him again. There's also another Styles feud too.
Or Balor but something tells me they've lost faith in him.
Basically, they've given Rollins that contract, the Edge feud, he's a bigger bad than Owens and he's being presented differently than most and it's for a reason so yeah, that's why I think he'll beat E.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 22, 2021 20:39:49 GMT -5
Congratulations to Roman on his first clean won in this ENTIRE terrible f***ing reign. He's actually like 50/50 between clean/dirty wins during this reign. He has clean wins over Wyatt, Strowman, Jey, Cesaro, Cena and Big E and screwy wins over Drew, Owens, Bryan, Edge, Balor and Lesnar.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 23, 2021 6:05:14 GMT -5
Congratulations to Roman on his first clean won in this ENTIRE terrible f***ing reign. He's actually like 50/50 between clean/dirty wins during this reign. He has clean wins over Wyatt, Strowman, Jey, Cesaro, Cena and Big E and screwy wins over Drew, Owens, Bryan, Edge, Balor and Lesnar. Were calling the match where he arrived 10 minutes late and kicked Wyatt in the balls, and the 2 matches against Jay where he had to respectively punch him in the balls and choke out Jimmy as clean?
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Nov 23, 2021 11:32:38 GMT -5
The problem is that Roman has been dismissing Big E as not important, destroyed both of Big E’s New Day buddies, won two matches in one night on Big E’s show, etc. And the “payoff” to it was, Roman beats Big E clean and stands tall. This is a TERRIBLE way to book a heel champion. All of WWE exists these days just to make Roman look good. It might be even worse than Triple H during the Reign of Terror at this point. They really don't get how to book a heel champion properly. They usually go to one of two extremes, either extremely weak and can't do jack shit on their own to the point where they look totally inept, or totally dominant and untouchable to the point where it becomes hard to believe that they can lose. The problem is that this either means the title looks like absolute shit and totally meaningless (I;e Jinder Mahal, Kevin Owens, Miz circa 2011, and Seth Rollins circa 2015) or it makes the others on the roster look totally inept and kill their credibility (I;e Roman Reigns now, and Brock Lesnar 2014-2019). A heel champion needs to look both vulnerable AND strong. Strong enough to know that them holding the belt is no fluke and that beating them will be no easy task, but still vulnerable enough that you believe they can be beaten (I;e Daniel Bryan circa 2019 or in ROH in 05 and 06, Edge pretty much anytime he was a heel champ, CM Punk during any of his heel title runs, Mark Henry during his Hall of Pain run, Kenny Omega in AEW, and Kurt Angle whenever he was a heel champ.) We're at the point now where people just no longer care about Roman Reigns getting his comeuppance, because nobody really believes he can/will receive it anymore since he's been booked so invincibly for about the last 15 months.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 17, 2021 21:59:46 GMT -5
Tonight they went for some kind of strange new method of getting heat where he responded to being beaten down by lying in the ring as the show ended. I don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 22:02:48 GMT -5
Heard from WON or Fightful, whichever one, say that right now the plan's for Reigns/Lesnar at WM for the belt. Whether Lesnar wins and is stripped of the title, whether Lesnar's champion, whatever, we're seeing a WM match.
And on the real, I'm actually ok with Lesnar beating homie for the belt. Let Lesnar beat him for the title, turn Zayn face and lead up to a Lesnar/Zayn match. It would be dope.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 17, 2021 22:07:45 GMT -5
How can Roman cause misery if he’s left laying like a baby?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 17, 2021 22:09:36 GMT -5
I could live with Brock dethroning Reigns just because I want somebody to, though it would be a surefire way to make me skip Mania. Probably going to do that anyway because my interest is pretty rock bottom right now but I haven't seen a Reigns / Lesnar match since Greatest Royal Rumble and I will never watch another one.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 17, 2021 22:16:02 GMT -5
Heard from WON or Fightful, whichever one, say that right now the plan's for Reigns/Lesnar at WM for the belt. Whether Lesnar wins and is stripped of the title, whether Lesnar's champion, whatever, we're seeing a WM match. And on the real, I'm actually ok with Lesnar beating homie for the belt. Let Lesnar beat him for the title, turn Zayn face and lead up to a Lesnar/Zayn match. It would be dope.
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Post by Woo on Dec 18, 2021 13:58:34 GMT -5
What's funny about this is that when they inevitably merge the two titles together again nobody will care about the universal title.
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