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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 2, 2021 0:11:25 GMT -5
March 1st 2021 now going down as Feb 29th. If you know, you know, Holy crap. FOR F***ING ONCE, I ACTUALLY KNOW
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 2, 2021 0:12:13 GMT -5
All this anger when it's clearly explained as to why Lashley won the belt and took it when he did. Morrison cost Lashley the US Title, Miz needed help in getting the WWE Title. Lashley saw an opportunity, beat down the biggest dog in the yard, let Miz pick the scraps, and then for their trouble, Miz did what everyone wanted to see happen to him, got his ass beat down by a monster, who is a heel regardless of what happened. A Heel celebrating his title win with a smile doesn't muddy any waters whatsoever, everyone wants that belt, everyone celebrates and is happy when they win it, it's what they all want. Drew chasing the title and Hurt Business is a fine feud, Drew's the only one to pin Lashley within the last year. This is a much different Lashley than he pinned. To say that can't be a fresh and cool storyline where Drew has to possibly fight the Hurt Business as well, is a good road to take because you can easily fill it for six weeks, and paint Drew as someone who got played, and now has to grind to get his belt back from a legit challenger. It'd be nice if he and Sheamus made up so he could have an ally vs The Hurt Business, which is doable, but that aside, this is all set up fine, and for once ISN'T a huge mess on WWE's part considering Miz's entire MITB run WAS a mess, this was probably one of the better paths they could have taken to have it be a satisfying conclusion. All this ranting makes me genuinely curious what people want sometimes. When something that actually makes sense happens after so much BS, and fans are actually showing praise for said result, there are people saying the business is dying and they'll never watch again. Maybe casuals aren't always the problem? Idk, just a thought. Yea, like if you watched the last 2 weeks of TV with the PPV you understood why this match happened They made it obviously clear MVP and Miz made a deal before the EC match so this was coming. In the end, Drew has to climb his way back up and instead of Miz it is now Lashley but he don't give a f*** You have a rematch from last year where Drew was newly crowned champ against a new and improved Lashley with MVP. Now Lashley has the Hurt Business and Drew is facing a man at the top of his game even more then last year. This will be Drews biggest match to date It’s actually been awhile since they’ve had a money match on RAW but we’re here now. I admit I get as negative as the next guy at times but there’s been more unjustified negativity on here than usual lately. Like not even healthy discussion, just negativity.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:12:35 GMT -5
March 1st 2021 now going down as Feb 29th. If you know, you know, Like I said earlier they did this a dat after Black History Month, it got extended one more day
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 2, 2021 0:13:50 GMT -5
All this anger when it's clearly explained as to why Lashley won the belt and took it when he did. Morrison cost Lashley the US Title, Miz needed help in getting the WWE Title. Lashley saw an opportunity, beat down the biggest dog in the yard, let Miz pick the scraps, and then for their trouble, Miz did what everyone wanted to see happen to him, got his ass beat down by a monster, who is a heel regardless of what happened. A Heel celebrating his title win with a smile doesn't muddy any waters whatsoever, everyone wants that belt, everyone celebrates and is happy when they win it, it's what they all want. Drew chasing the title and Hurt Business is a fine feud, Drew's the only one to pin Lashley within the last year. This is a much different Lashley than he pinned. To say that can't be a fresh and cool storyline where Drew has to possibly fight the Hurt Business as well, is a good road to take because you can easily fill it for six weeks, and paint Drew as someone who got played, and now has to grind to get his belt back from a legit challenger. It'd be nice if he and Sheamus made up so he could have an ally vs The Hurt Business, which is doable, but that aside, this is all set up fine, and for once ISN'T a huge mess on WWE's part considering Miz's entire MITB run WAS a mess, this was probably one of the better paths they could have taken to have it be a satisfying conclusion. All this ranting makes me genuinely curious what people want sometimes. When something that actually makes sense happens after so much BS, and fans are actually showing praise for said result, there are people saying the business is dying and they'll never watch again. Maybe casuals aren't always the problem? Idk, just a thought. Yea, like if you watched the last 2 weeks of TV with the PPV you understood why this match happened They made it obviously clear MVP and Miz made a deal before the EC match so this was coming. In the end, Drew has to climb his way back up and instead of Miz it is now Lashley but he don't give a f*** You have a rematch from last year where Drew was newly crowned champ against a new and improved Lashley with MVP. Now Lashley has the Hurt Business and Drew is facing a man at the top of his game even more then last year. This will be Drews biggest match to date I write a lot, I blog a lot, I proofread scripts for my friends. I always am critical of storylines and if they do and do not make sense, I love storytelling and I hate when it sucks and doesn't make sense. So when I see rants about how the business is dying and casual fans are being turned away from the product because of what is actually a clear and concise storyline happening over the last three weeks ending as it should with Lashley becoming champion... sometimes I just get genuinely baffled. Feels real personal when I see people get this upset over a result. I've been there when it comes to certain booking aspects of WWE, but this really doesn't feel like one of those times. Unless this story jumps off a cliff within the next month, which WWE is prone to do, but right now... it just feels like people are way too mad.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:14:51 GMT -5
Yea, like if you watched the last 2 weeks of TV with the PPV you understood why this match happened They made it obviously clear MVP and Miz made a deal before the EC match so this was coming. In the end, Drew has to climb his way back up and instead of Miz it is now Lashley but he don't give a f*** You have a rematch from last year where Drew was newly crowned champ against a new and improved Lashley with MVP. Now Lashley has the Hurt Business and Drew is facing a man at the top of his game even more then last year. This will be Drews biggest match to date It’s actually been awhile since they’ve had a money match on RAW but we’re here now. I admit I get as negative as the next guy at times but there’s been more unjustified negativity on here than usual lately. Drew for the next few weeks is going to have to get passed THB which should made for good TV. It will probably hold up the tag titles a bit but he as the babyface will have a mountain to climb to face the big boss I fully had a big complaint thread ready if they bait and switched 3 times tonight but they gave up the perfect payoff so I have no complaints on that
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 2, 2021 0:15:09 GMT -5
March 1st 2021 now going down as Feb 29th. If you know, you know, I saw someone on Twitter say "It's Melanin March", so you may run with that if you like lmfao.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:16:10 GMT -5
March 1st 2021 now going down as Feb 29th. If you know, you know, I saw someone on Twitter say "It's Melanin March", so you may run with that if you like lmfao. Turning the black history thread title to that
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 2, 2021 0:17:36 GMT -5
I saw someone on Twitter say "It's Melanin March", so you may run with that if you like lmfao. Turning the black history thread title to that I got proof too lol, cause he's my friend we chat sometimes.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Mar 2, 2021 0:18:14 GMT -5
All I wanna know is, will we get a Hurt Business Championship Coronation next week. It should be Hurt Business Appreciation night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 0:19:45 GMT -5
streamable.com/fkuy6dSeeing the rest of the wrestlers reacting to this, they all wanted it. Faces, heels, they wanted Lashley to squash Miz. Even Riddle talking to Cedric in the background all happy lmao.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 2, 2021 0:21:15 GMT -5
Drew is not on Bret Hart's level as Top Face. Contrary to plans, Bret's loss at Wrestlemania and the feuds he had afterwards did _nothing_ to hurt him and, in fact, kept him as the Face of the Company during Hogan's utter absence from WWE between Wrestlemania and his loss at King of the Ring '93. In an environment with a fraction of the ratings, with the current booking as it is, what has Drew to look forward to for feuds now that he's a) no longer the champion and b) not even seen as the Top Face of the brand more. If Lashley could so easily and with a simple match pull the rug out from under Drew's feet, what does that say about Drew? In the COVID era, it would have been better to keep the title on Drew so that the Hurt Business could step in as a new Heenan Family, with a bunch of wrestlers under MVP each of whom could pose a serious threat to the title. Instead, Vince and co. muddies the waters alignment-wise yet again and keeps pushing away the casual fans. All this anger when it's clearly explained as to why Lashley won the belt and took it when he did. Morrison cost Lashley the US Title, Miz needed help in getting the WWE Title. Lashley saw an opportunity, beat down the biggest dog in the yard, let Miz pick the scraps, and then for their trouble, Miz did what everyone wanted to see happen to him, got his ass beat down by a monster, who is a heel regardless of what happened. A Heel celebrating his title win with a smile doesn't muddy any waters whatsoever, everyone wants that belt, everyone celebrates and is happy when they win it, it's what they all want. Drew chasing the title and Hurt Business is a fine feud, Drew's the only one to pin Lashley within the last year. This is a much different Lashley than he pinned. To say that can't be a fresh and cool storyline where Drew has to possibly fight the Hurt Business as well, is a good road to take because you can easily fill it for six weeks, and paint Drew as someone who got played, and now has to grind to get his belt back from a legit challenger. It'd be nice if he and Sheamus made up so he could have an ally vs The Hurt Business, which is doable, but that aside, this is all set up fine, and for once ISN'T a huge mess on WWE's part considering Miz's entire MITB run WAS a mess, this was probably one of the better paths they could have taken to have it be a satisfying conclusion. All this ranting makes me genuinely curious what people want sometimes. When something that actually makes sense happens after so much BS, and fans are actually showing praise for said result, there are people saying the business is dying and they'll never watch again. Maybe casuals aren't always the problem? Idk, just a thought. Given what WWE does - this has all been fine. My main problem lies with WWE's style of booking. I hate the idea that Lashley HAD to lose the midcard belt. If you don't want him losing, just have him hold onto it. Riddle is just a paper champion and they repeatedly emphasize that he didn't actually beat Lashley for the title. I hate the Money in the Bank trope where a guy who has no business being champion gets the belt. That devalues the title. Miz had no business holding it. He only had it because of a BS court segment and some dude named Tucker costing his friend a match. I didn't think we needed a transitional champion here. You could just have Drew take the title into Mania and defend it against Lashley. You could have Lashley beat Drew and do a rematch at Mania (Rocky/Clubber Lang style). You could do Sheamus/Drew with Lashley taking on the winner. You could have Sheamus cost him the title against Drew and give him a fun road of people to go through to get to Bobby at Mania. There are a lot of things you could have done that didn't involve this Money in the Bank nonsense. I just want simple booking. Yes, all of this made sense in a vacuum. But I didn't especially consider it that compelling. Lashley now has the belt because he beat the dude that had no right holding it to begin with. Just have him beat Drew, have it mean something, and set up the rematch.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 2, 2021 0:21:49 GMT -5
streamable.com/fkuy6dSeeing the rest of the wrestlers reacting to this, they all wanted it. Faces, heels, they wanted Lashley to squash Miz. Even Riddle talking to Cedric in the background all happy lmao. Man even Retribution wanted nothing to do with Miz... and they have Slapjack as a friend* *Slapjack actually allows the losers of Retribution to be around his excellence
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 2, 2021 0:22:21 GMT -5
Drew is not on Bret Hart's level as Top Face. Contrary to plans, Bret's loss at Wrestlemania and the feuds he had afterwards did _nothing_ to hurt him and, in fact, kept him as the Face of the Company during Hogan's utter absence from WWE between Wrestlemania and his loss at King of the Ring '93. In an environment with a fraction of the ratings, with the current booking as it is, what has Drew to look forward to for feuds now that he's a) no longer the champion and b) not even seen as the Top Face of the brand more. If Lashley could so easily and with a simple match pull the rug out from under Drew's feet, what does that say about Drew? In the COVID era, it would have been better to keep the title on Drew so that the Hurt Business could step in as a new Heenan Family, with a bunch of wrestlers under MVP each of whom could pose a serious threat to the title. Instead, Vince and co. muddies the waters alignment-wise yet again and keeps pushing away the casual fans. I don't see how a heel celebrating his title win is muddying the waters from a casual fan The most simple fan saw what happened over the last 8 days and knows why Miz got what was coming to him and Lashley still yoked him up again after the bell ended When you have fans cheering Lashley winning over the Miz, it does muddy the waters. Yes, Miz is a chickenshit heel, but he is such a heel that Lashley comes across as a babyface, mainly because it's seen as an improvement, incremental as it is, over the status quo, but it's still crap. The problem now, of course, is that Lashley and the Hurt Business are going to be cheered for being evil. Now, I can kind of see a Hart-Austin double-turn happening out of this but the guy with the gang who'll interfere for him shouldn't be turned face. And, yes, it does muddy the waters when you have your booking committee pushing evil people as heroes. It hurts the business because the fans have already lost almost any connection with the people in the ring, and nowadays view them simply as acrobats - incapable of getting hurt, incapable of feeling, incapable of being anything but robots. You might as well put a pair of Rock'em Sock'em Robots in the ring with most promotions today because very few promoters know how to make fans care, and far too many find it easier simply to alienate fans through frustration and subversion of expectations. Why should I watch Bobby Lashley as champion? Why should I watch Drew's climb back to the top? What climb, more like it. Why should I care? WWE has become an utter creative mess beyond even my own worst projections.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 2, 2021 0:25:12 GMT -5
Very satisfying on a fan level too, gotta say. Miz won the title in the most ho-ish manner possible AND he’s dookie. He had to get his ass whooped and Lashley said, “nah, Miz the next name in the Death Note”
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:25:23 GMT -5
Yea, I still don't agree with none of that
Y'all must think fans are real idiots or something along those lines. Lashley did NOTHING worth cheering for. He was just the lesser of two evils but he is still an asshole
Miz got what was coming to him from the biggest bully in the yard and now that bully can't be stopped by anybody except maybe one person. If anything wrestlers will realize later they should hoped Miz won because now is going to whoop their ass and talk shit to them and there is nothing they can do about it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 0:25:44 GMT -5
I don't see how a heel celebrating his title win is muddying the waters from a casual fan The most simple fan saw what happened over the last 8 days and knows why Miz got what was coming to him and Lashley still yoked him up again after the bell ended When you have fans cheering Lashley winning over the Miz, it does muddy the waters. Yes, Miz is a chickenshit heel, but he is such a heel that Lashley comes across as a babyface, mainly because it's seen as an improvement, incremental as it is, over the status quo, but it's still crap. The problem now, of course, is that Lashley and the Hurt Business are going to be cheered for being evil. Now, I can kind of see a Hart-Austin double-turn happening out of this but the guy with the gang who'll interfere for him shouldn't be turned face. And, yes, it does muddy the waters when you have your booking committee pushing evil people as heroes. It hurts the business because the fans have already lost almost any connection with the people in the ring, and nowadays view them simply as acrobats - incapable of getting hurt, incapable of feeling, incapable of being anything but robots. You might as well put a pair of Rock'em Sock'em Robots in the ring with most promotions today because very few promoters know how to make fans care, and far too many find it easier simply to alienate fans through frustration and subversion of expectations. Why should I watch Bobby Lashley as champion? Why should I watch Drew's climb back to the top? What climb, more like it. Why should I care? WWE has become an utter creative mess beyond even my own worst projections. Alright, I see what kind of post this is now lmao.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 0:28:43 GMT -5
Seriously though, Lashley giving Miz what he deserves doesn't make Lashley and Hurt Business heroes. That just means that some bad guys understand that hey they gotta get theirs and they gotta do it by the books. Good actions and good intentions doesn't mean good guys.
Thanos was the bad guy but the man had legit reasons to do what he did, it was f***ed up though. Just because he wanted to save people doesn't mean that he's a hero. Eren Yeager ain't a guy people need to cheer for just because he got certain ideals lol.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:28:47 GMT -5
Very satisfying on a fan level too, gotta say. Miz won the title in the most ho-ish manner possible AND he’s dookie. He had to get his ass whooped and Lashley said, “nah, Miz the next name in the Death Note” You know what, that is a perfect example for people keep saying this muddied the water Full disclosure, I loved Light Yagami but the man murdered people. The water isn't muddied because he only murdered "bad people". He was an asshole no matter how you tried to spin it
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 2, 2021 0:29:41 GMT -5
Yea, I still don't agree with none of that Y'all must think fans are real idiots or something along those lines. Lashley did NOTHING worth cheering for. He was just the lesser of two evils but he is still an asshole Miz got what was coming to him from the biggest bully in the yard and now that bully can't be stopped by anybody except maybe one person. If anything wrestlers will realize later they should hoped Miz won because now is going to whoop their ass and talk shit to them and there is nothing they can do about it Like...it’s OK for Lashley to be “face” one week. It’s ok. They’re going to go into turbo mode to make him unlikeable for Mania.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 0:30:41 GMT -5
MY MAN
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