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Post by eJm on Mar 27, 2021 5:07:07 GMT -5
Why do people think people are going to be removed because of actions they’ve done? Like, it seems clear they’re removing cases involving those people and not them just because, right?
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 27, 2021 8:32:56 GMT -5
Why do people think people are going to be removed because of actions they’ve done? Like, it seems clear they’re removing cases involving those people and not them just because, right? Yeah they’re clearly removing questionable content, not erasing people that did bad things off-camera. And it seems so far they really haven’t removed that much questionable content.
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Post by eJm on Mar 27, 2021 8:53:01 GMT -5
Why do people think people are going to be removed because of actions they’ve done? Like, it seems clear they’re removing cases involving those people and not them just because, right? Yeah they’re clearly removing questionable content, not erasing people that did bad things off-camera. And it seems so far they really haven’t removed that much questionable content. I mean, the only thing I would say is that there are some questionable lines Benoit said in promos in his WCW feud with Kevin Sullivan that really shouldn’t be there because of everything but then I’m not the one making those decisions.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 27, 2021 10:03:28 GMT -5
Why do people think people are going to be removed because of actions they’ve done? Like, it seems clear they’re removing cases involving those people and not them just because, right? Yeah they’re clearly removing questionable content, not erasing people that did bad things off-camera. And it seems so far they really haven’t removed that much questionable content. Benoit is still there, nuff said. Like I said, it seems like while Disney+ usually saves "questionable" episodes with some exceptions, they will delete terrible people (the one of two Muppet Show eps. not to make it. I think there's others)
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 27, 2021 10:05:27 GMT -5
this makes me glad that I have every Wrestlemania on DVD I know the blackface thing with Piper didn't age well... but I'm a completitionist in that sense, it bugs me that the instant replay debate from Wrestlemania 8 wasn't on DVD or the Hulkster vs The Nacho Man from Wrestlemania 12 for example if it happened on a show I want to see it, they should put a warning on screen before some questionable content is to be shown This is me in a nutshell. Do I really want to see blackface segments? Not really. But I am a total OCD completionist. I don't like when people "move my cheese" in general too. The warning is the best way to go, and it seems everyone but NBC uses it. Or just make a Star sub-service like Disney does for anything beyond PG.
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 27, 2021 10:25:30 GMT -5
this makes me glad that I have every Wrestlemania on DVD I know the blackface thing with Piper didn't age well... but I'm a completitionist in that sense, it bugs me that the instant replay debate from Wrestlemania 8 wasn't on DVD or the Hulkster vs The Nacho Man from Wrestlemania 12 for example if it happened on a show I want to see it, they should put a warning on screen before some questionable content is to be shown This is me in a nutshell. Do I really want to see blackface segments? Not really. But I am a total OCD completionist. I don't like when people "move my cheese" in general too. The warning is the best way to go, and it seems everyone but NBC uses it. Or just make a Star sub-service like Disney does for anything beyond PG. The problem is, a lot of that stuff is important to the WWE canon. I mean, if they put WM6 behind a paywall, but decided that other material from the same timeframe is ok for the general audience, then you pretty much HAVE to have the sub-service to get the whole story (yeah, Hogan/Warrior has been rehashed to death, but there may be some fans who havent seen it yet).
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Post by eJm on Mar 27, 2021 11:36:16 GMT -5
This is me in a nutshell. Do I really want to see blackface segments? Not really. But I am a total OCD completionist. I don't like when people "move my cheese" in general too. The warning is the best way to go, and it seems everyone but NBC uses it. Or just make a Star sub-service like Disney does for anything beyond PG. The problem is, a lot of that stuff is important to the WWE canon. I mean, if they put WM6 behind a paywall, but decided that other material from the same timeframe is ok for the general audience, then you pretty much HAVE to have the sub-service to get the whole story (yeah, Hogan/Warrior has been rehashed to death, but there may be some fans who havent seen it yet). Not being funny but this is a company that shifts and changes its own history on a regular basis. Not justifying anything at all but this is a company that, when Hogan was "suspended" for what happened to him, they just slotted Ultimate Warrior in as their 80s icon of choice. And that's not even before going into their mixed messages on when "the women's revolution" started.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 16:28:28 GMT -5
The problem is, a lot of that stuff is important to the WWE canon. I mean, if they put WM6 behind a paywall, but decided that other material from the same timeframe is ok for the general audience, then you pretty much HAVE to have the sub-service to get the whole story (yeah, Hogan/Warrior has been rehashed to death, but there may be some fans who havent seen it yet). Not being funny but this is a company that shifts and changes its own history on a regular basis. Not justifying anything at all but this is a company that, when Hogan was "suspended" for what happened to him, they just slotted Ultimate Warrior in as their 80s icon of choice. And that's not even before going into their mixed messages on when "the women's revolution" started. Heck, remember after Hogan debuted on TNA, and suddenly Ted DiBiase replaced him on their pre-Forever intro?
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Post by eJm on Mar 28, 2021 16:34:44 GMT -5
Not being funny but this is a company that shifts and changes its own history on a regular basis. Not justifying anything at all but this is a company that, when Hogan was "suspended" for what happened to him, they just slotted Ultimate Warrior in as their 80s icon of choice. And that's not even before going into their mixed messages on when "the women's revolution" started. Heck, remember after Hogan debuted on TNA, and suddenly Ted DiBiase replaced him on their pre-Forever intro? Pretty much, yeah. This is a company that goes out of its way to avoid talking about anyone who isn’t working there which, hey, I get it and I understand it but it always comes off so obvious and unintentionally mean. Like, even this year was the whole “Who hit the spinebuster best?” thing on their social media and most of the replies were “Where’s Arn Anderson?”. I get why you don’t mention the guy managing the other former WWE guy whose a big part of the rival but wouldn’t the better idea to, like, not ask the question knowing full well he was one of the best at hitting it?
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Mar 28, 2021 17:19:47 GMT -5
Since Piper vs. Bad News has been cut, this is the perfect time to edit in Paul Roma vs. The Brooklyn Brawler.
Come on, WWE. Show us the long-lost classic.
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 28, 2021 17:25:38 GMT -5
Since Piper vs. Bad News has been cut, this is the perfect time to edit in Paul Roma vs. The Brooklyn Brawler. Come on, WWE. Show us the long-lost classic. I wont be satisfied until WWE unearths Christopher Knight vs Danny Bonaduce from Spring Stampede 94.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 29, 2021 5:47:59 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand why this has to be done. It's not real life, it's a tv show. Have they edited out all the parts in movies or tv shows that are insensitive based on our standards today? Bad guys are playing the role of bad guys, it's not their real life persona. Good guys are playing the role of good guys. When I watch a Spiderman movie I don't leave it thinking that Toby Maguire can actually shoot webs out of his hands. It's a story and by taking out these parts you're changing the story. I will reserve total judgement though because what they've taken out at this point is pretty inconsequential. Although I'd be confused if I watched the lead ups to WM 6 advertising Piper and Bad News and then the match wasn't on the card. Yes, if you want equality and be sensitive to POC and other races, WORK ON THE ISSUES AT HAND. NOT ON TV SHOWS AND MOVIES. I understand not everything ages well, or was not appropriate to begin with. Key word: UNDERSTAND. I am smart enough to know right from wrong and not let it sway me. Just let US choose to watch the OG shows, or not. Ya, that's what I'm saying. Is removing something Roddy Piper did on a tv show 30 years ago really making a huge difference? I completely understand why that sort of thing should never happen again (and frankly shouldn't have happened then) but it's not like they're going back and taking out offensive parts of the Godfather movie. It seems that it's understood wrestling is both fake and also somehow doesn't fall into the category of being a tv show. Ask them if it's real and they say no but they still want to remove all the offensive parts like it's real people doing real things. You're telling me there was nothing ever offensive in the Office or Seinfeld? But those are tv shows and people understand. Somehow wrestling doesn't fit the same criteria.
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Post by papagiorgio on Mar 30, 2021 6:17:42 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think a fair amount of the Attitude Era will be in trouble at some point. The employees having to look through past content to find offensive items have to find some things or their higher ups won't think they've done any work. In the future, will it take just a couple of complaints to a WWE or Peacock social media account to get something easily pulled that is un-pc? In general these days, companies would rather bow to a small, but vocal handful of people that threaten boycotts or to harass their advertisers (even though they might already not even actually buy or watch a product) than listen to a majority of fans in its base out of fear of bad publicity.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 30, 2021 9:46:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think a fair amount of the Attitude Era will be in trouble at some point. The employees having to look through past content to find offensive items have to find some things or their higher ups won't think they've done any work. In the future, will it take just a couple of complaints to a WWE or Peacock social media account to get something easily pulled that is un-pc? In general these days, companies would rather bow to a small, but vocal handful of people that threaten boycotts or to harass their advertisers (even though they might already not even actually buy or watch a product) than listen to a majority of fans in its base out of fear of bad publicity. People boycott to boycott, so yes.... everything the WWE has put out will be subject to scrutiny. It just take a Twitter hashtag these days to "get things done". Vince saying the n-word..... dump it. It was meaningless. Val Venis doing his shtick..... I see nothing at all wrong with it. It was funny for the time (subjective, of course) and was his gimmick for better or for worse. Trish being degraded and barking like a dog. It isn't the best, but it was part of Vince's gimmick of being a scumbag. Trish ended up coming out ahead, but that would require people to actually pay attention to the long-term storyline (oh yeah.... WWE actually had those back in the day). The DX Nation skit..... I know that will probably have to go because of the blackface, but..... I think if you look at it as part of the storyline, there was really nothing wrong with it except for black paint or whatever they used. However, I know blackface is polarizing so that, ultimately, will probably go. Lita getting blasted by the Two Man Power Trip..... i loved it (for the storyline), but it might be TOO much. Will Mae Young getting powerbombed through the table by Bubba get removed? Hell, she told Bubba to do it or she would kick his a$$. IT WAS HER DECISION! In the end.... it's just more of my younger days being put out to pasture, so I'm going to be disappointed. At least I got to relive up to about the end of '99 before it gets sliced and diced.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 30, 2021 13:25:28 GMT -5
If the scene with Vince saying the n-word has to go, so be it. It's not like it contributed anything to a storyline, and even Vince looked uncomfortable in the segment. Piper at Wrestlemania VI is more problematic, because we lost an entire match. I'm hoping Peacock will understand what the Attitude Era was, and not decide that every cuss word, middle finger, or scantily clad woman needs to go. As I've said before, the stuff most likely to be on the chopping block will be either overt racism or violence against women, but with the latter, I could see them making a distinction between Chyna challenging men on an equal level, and the Dudleyz putting Trish through a table.
Back on topic, some of the 2018 NXT UK shows have been put up; they have shows through November of 2018, though somewhat sporadic.
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 30, 2021 19:14:50 GMT -5
To be fair, it's not like WWE has done this before. They cut "Roots 2!" out of the Best of SNME dvd, Mickie James licking her fingers from the WM 22 dvd, and way back in 1990 they removed the crack about Richard Belzer from WM6. And there's probably been stuff cut from the Network as well.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 30, 2021 19:23:40 GMT -5
To be fair, it's not like WWE has done this before. They cut "Roots 2!" out of the Best of SNME dvd, Mickie James licking her fingers from the WM 22 dvd, and way back in 1990 they removed the crack about Richard Belzer from WM6. And there's probably been stuff cut from the Network as well. I'm pretty sure the Mickie spot was cut from the Network since day one.
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Post by cjh on Mar 30, 2021 19:38:17 GMT -5
If the scene with Vince saying the n-word has to go, so be it. It's not like it contributed anything to a storyline, and even Vince looked uncomfortable in the segment. Piper at Wrestlemania VI is more problematic, because we lost an entire match. I'm hoping Peacock will understand what the Attitude Era was, and not decide that every cuss word, middle finger, or scantily clad woman needs to go. As I've said before, the stuff most likely to be on the chopping block will be either overt racism or violence against women, but with the latter, I could see them making a distinction between Chyna challenging men on an equal level, and the Dudleyz putting Trish through a table. Back on topic, some of the 2018 NXT UK shows have been put up; they have shows through November of 2018, though somewhat sporadic. Backlash 2000 is on Peacock with that spot included.
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Post by 67 more on Mar 31, 2021 0:17:59 GMT -5
There is ONE thing that I would have thought Peacock would have been fine with that isn’t up yet - SNME. NBC carried that for years and, aside from Jesse’s remark about T getting beat up, nothing really objectionable. I guess Hulk Hogan’s Rock’n’Wrasslin is still a no go because of Hogan, but hope that gets a hearing at least. There's quite a few things on those earlier SNMEs which could definitely be subject to the chopping block. I remember one promo for example where Mean Gene says that Mr Fuji got the Hong Kong flu from eating dogs (or something like that) and it gave me the biggest f***ing yikes. I don't agree with the removal of stuff but I absolutely get why they do it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 31, 2021 12:12:30 GMT -5
The NXT shows from 10/2/19 and 11/20/19 are missing for some reason. Everything else from the latter half of that year looks to be there.
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