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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 23, 2021 5:26:44 GMT -5
So there's a lot to go through and I'm sure there's going to be a discussion but I really didn't want this to be lost through all of it; WWE sold an anime series to Crunchyroll. I know. WWE really is full of silver tongues , they know.how to get good deals Here's the thing, though, it feels like now is slightly different then before. Think about it this way, WWE's done collaborations with animation studios before and what were the outcomes? A DTV Surf's Up sequel and four DTV Hanna Barbera movies. Those aren't terrible by any stretch (Scooby-Doo WrestleMania Mystery is a lot of fun for what it is) but was anyone really going "Man, I really need that WWE/Flintstones crossover"? Not really. But considering that since Nick Khan came in, they did the Peacock deal, they got the A&E deal (the Austin doc was the highest-rated show on that channel for 16 years) and they now have this Cruchyroll deal who are, as of right now, one of the top places for anime period. They're also going forward with Austin Creed being on G4 which just makes all the sense in the world considering UpUpDownDown, G4 being owned by Comcast etc. Like, I'm not going to sit here and say everything good happened when Nick Khan came in (WWE is still WWE on TV and that isn't going to change via the former head of CAA) but if you're comparing the sort of deals WWE did before he came in to the ones they're doing now? He's basically done more in barely a year to keep WWE relevant than almost anyone else has in the last decade. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 23, 2021 6:14:46 GMT -5
WWE really is full of silver tongues , they know.how to get good deals Here's the thing, though, it feels like now is slightly different then before. Think about it this way, WWE's done collaborations with animation studios before and what were the outcomes? A DTV Surf's Up sequel and four DTV Hanna Barbera movies. Those aren't terrible by any stretch (Scooby-Doo WrestleMania Mystery is a lot of fun for what it is) but was anyone really going "Man, I really need that WWE/Flintstones crossover"? Not really. But considering that since Nick Khan came in, they did the Peacock deal, they got the A&E deal (the Austin doc was the highest-rated show on that channel for 16 years) and they now have this Cruchyroll deal who are, as of right now, one of the top places for anime period. They're also going forward with Austin Creed being on G4 which just makes all the sense in the world considering UpUpDownDown, G4 being owned by Comcast etc. Like, I'm not going to sit here and say everything good happened when Nick Khan came in (WWE is still WWE on TV and that isn't going to change via the former head of CAA) but if you're comparing the sort of deals WWE did before he came in to the ones they're doing now? He's basically done more in barely a year to keep WWE relevant than almost anyone else has in the last decade. There's an irony in you hear a lot of the same stuff about Nick Khan that you hear about Tony Khan. People in the business world want to work with them. Not to make this an AEW discussion but when AEW first started forming stories came out about how people in media and entertainment always pitched projects to Tony because if he backed an idea it would get green lit because that's how badly people want to do business with him. I've heard similar stories about Nick Khan as well so while not everything in WWE is going to be rosy or even viewed in a good light. Nick Khan will do a lot to help right the ship from a business aspect. Also having listened to him talk compared to Triple H (who I actually think has done some good in his corporate roles) it is quite obvious why Khan has the role now and why he is now probably Vince's successor |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 23, 2021 6:28:15 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though, it feels like now is slightly different then before. Think about it this way, WWE's done collaborations with animation studios before and what were the outcomes? A DTV Surf's Up sequel and four DTV Hanna Barbera movies. Those aren't terrible by any stretch (Scooby-Doo WrestleMania Mystery is a lot of fun for what it is) but was anyone really going "Man, I really need that WWE/Flintstones crossover"? Not really. But considering that since Nick Khan came in, they did the Peacock deal, they got the A&E deal (the Austin doc was the highest-rated show on that channel for 16 years) and they now have this Cruchyroll deal who are, as of right now, one of the top places for anime period. They're also going forward with Austin Creed being on G4 which just makes all the sense in the world considering UpUpDownDown, G4 being owned by Comcast etc. Like, I'm not going to sit here and say everything good happened when Nick Khan came in (WWE is still WWE on TV and that isn't going to change via the former head of CAA) but if you're comparing the sort of deals WWE did before he came in to the ones they're doing now? He's basically done more in barely a year to keep WWE relevant than almost anyone else has in the last decade. There's an irony in you hear a lot of the same stuff about Nick Khan that you hear about Tony Khan. People in the business world want to work with them. Not to make this an AEW discussion but when AEW first started forming stories came out about how people in media and entertainment always pitched projects to Tony because if he backed an idea it would get green lit because that's how badly people want to do business with him. I've heard similar stories about Nick Khan as well so while not everything in WWE is going to be rosy or even viewed in a good light. Nick Khan will do a lot to help right the ship from a business aspect. Also having listened to him talk compared to Triple H (who I actually think has done some good in his corporate roles) it is quite obvious why Khan has the role now and why he is now probably Vince's successor The key difference between the two is that Nick was the former head of the CAA which, to WWE, is like having the key to Fort Knox in terms of building potential connections. He's likely one of the most well-connected people in Hollywood so any decision has a much easier throughline then it did before and he's already basically shown that, even down to the commentary team (as mixed as people have taken to Virk, he's firmly a Khan guy). Triple H has done some good but his biggest glaring weaknesses are a) he hasn't really proven himself outside of NXT which, not to undermine the achievements he's done with it, is still firmly treated as a development entity for WWE and barely advertised outside of its own slot and b) he is very stubborn about things that might blow up in his face down the road. Like, if he reacted the same way to the media's questions about Velveteen Dream during an investor's call then, well, he's not going to be seen very highly. One of the reasons Khan spoke and not Vince is because Vince has had his share of flubs in the past couple of years (the "Blood & Guts" line, the "Because they're newer than us" answer about ratings) and at times, HHH can fit that mould. Not as badly, sure, but Wall Street isn't exactly going to like him if the better version's already doing the business and hitting targets. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 1:42:12 GMT -5
Let me put it this way... Vince didn't answer a single question on the call today. I'm just saying.  Triple H when he realized that he might lose another battle to a Khan. He's on his knees screaming "Khaaan!!" like Captain Kirk. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 26, 2021 14:15:36 GMT -5
Bumping this because it seems like Turner’s getting the other half of the NHL rights so that’s put the kabosh on the “USA moved NXT for hockey” reasoning.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 26, 2021 14:20:44 GMT -5
Bumping this because it seems like Turner’s getting the other half of the NHL rights so that’s put the kabosh on the “USA moved NXT for hockey” reasoning. Interesting. Wonder if that means they’ll be more likely to switch it back to Wednesday when/if Dynamite closes the gap on Raw. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 26, 2021 14:28:59 GMT -5
Bumping this because it seems like Turner’s getting the other half of the NHL rights so that’s put the kabosh on the “USA moved NXT for hockey” reasoning. Interesting. Wonder if that means they’ll be more likely to switch it back to Wednesday when/if Dynamite closes the gap on Raw. Possibly but I can also see USA deciding the numbers would be too good to potentially move since, besides last week, it was in the top 10 shows of the night. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 26, 2021 14:33:54 GMT -5
Bumping this because it seems like Turner’s getting the other half of the NHL rights so that’s put the kabosh on the “USA moved NXT for hockey” reasoning. Interesting. Wonder if that means they’ll be more likely to switch it back to Wednesday when/if Dynamite closes the gap on Raw. I dont think so since there is a significant jump in the key demos on Tuesday for NXT. And as I've always said, whether the ratings or demos meant much to the wrestling companies, the advertisers and networks are well aware |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 26, 2021 14:37:30 GMT -5
Interesting. Wonder if that means they’ll be more likely to switch it back to Wednesday when/if Dynamite closes the gap on Raw. I dont think so since there is a significant jump in the key demos on Tuesday for NXT. And as I've always said, whether the ratings or demos meant much to the wrestling companies, the advertisers and networks are well aware Also, from their end, having two top shows on two days is better than what usually happens with USA where only one show is their best and they have to build advertiser interest around that single show. |
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Post by Legion on Apr 26, 2021 14:37:59 GMT -5
Khan is the connection master. Clearly WWE has the name value and talent to be partnering all sorts of people, but it would seem it's not until Khan came in with connections and ability to do the corporate speak to get the deals, that it's been exploited. How long it will be until Vince poisons the well, that'll be anyone's guess. Bumping this because it seems like Turner’s getting the other half of the NHL rights so that’s put the kabosh on the “USA moved NXT for hockey” reasoning. Interesting. Wonder if that means they’ll be more likely to switch it back to Wednesday when/if Dynamite closes the gap on Raw. I think that'll be a while yet, and if they do manage to close that gap, I say it's more likely TNT will want to put AEW against Raw than allow it to be hurt by the C show. That's when you ride the momentum to become number 1 and we get some exec in TNT thinking a 'New Monday Night War' is worth going for. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 26, 2021 14:38:49 GMT -5
Interesting. Wonder if that means they’ll be more likely to switch it back to Wednesday when/if Dynamite closes the gap on Raw. I dont think so since there is a significant jump in the key demos on Tuesday for NXT. And as I've always said, whether the ratings or demos meant much to the wrestling companies, the advertisers and networks are well aware Yes but I believe USA also sees value in having the #1 wrestling show on cable and being able to sell that to cable companies and advertisers, and was part of the reason they were okay with keeping NXT on Wednesdays to begin with. |
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Post by salz4life on Apr 26, 2021 14:41:05 GMT -5
So...this puts an interesting wrench in things because that would have been a justifiable reason to move NXT if that was true... I mean..... if that's not the reason, we know what the reason is then don't we? edit: I read the rest of the thread and understand. |
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Post by Hanky McCranky Jr. on Apr 26, 2021 14:47:01 GMT -5
Oh, it seems likely it will and by all accounts, the deal is "done" according to people in the industry but like you said, seems more likely to be NBC themselves then giving it to USA. Or they could take most of them and give a smaller game to USA on occasion, thus keeping the spot free? Who knows? Wait.... so NBC might take the Wednesday night spot? Aren't the Chicago Shows that are on Wednesday night some of the highest rating? Do they think hockey will replicate that? (maybe it will.... I don't study ratings) Only time NBCU showed NHL hockey on NBC proper were playoff games or on the weekends. NBC Sports always showed the Wednesday night games, and if the NHL stuck with NBCU, they almost certainly would've been on USA, nut NBC itself. |
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Post by salz4life on Apr 26, 2021 14:47:48 GMT -5
Wait.... so NBC might take the Wednesday night spot? Aren't the Chicago Shows that are on Wednesday night some of the highest rating? Do they think hockey will replicate that? (maybe it will.... I don't study ratings) Only time NBCU showed NHL hockey on NBC proper were playoff games or on the weekends. NBC Sports always showed the Wednesday night games, and if the NHL stuck with NBCU, they almost certainly would've been on USA, nut NBC itself. Yeah, I deleted that post after reading the rest of the thread. I have this habit of not reading first before posting. Ugh! |
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Post by Hanky McCranky Jr. on Apr 26, 2021 14:54:04 GMT -5
Only time NBCU showed NHL hockey on NBC proper were playoff games or on the weekends. NBC Sports always showed the Wednesday night games, and if the NHL stuck with NBCU, they almost certainly would've been on USA, nut NBC itself. Yeah, I deleted that post after reading the rest of the thread. I have this habit of not reading first before posting. Ugh! Oops! If you want me to delete my reply, I will. |
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