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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 3, 2021 14:38:31 GMT -5
I agree with you that there's still possibility of her being a coward Sure I guess there is still a possibility, but are you comfortable calling someone a coward based on speculation and no actual knowledge? yes |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 14:38:59 GMT -5
I'm going to respectfully disagree. You're correct in that there are a multitude of reasons why she's changed her mind. And that's fine. However, when she left she made it fully clear that she was being released in part because of her outspokenness and openly called for the unionization of wrestling. And as you note she was openly exploring that. Since deciding to return, which seems to have been in the works for a while, she has gone completely silent on the topic. Deleting the tweet where she made her thoughts clear, and joining the organisation that a. Fired her. B. Directly oppose something that she made clear she believed in leads me to one of two conclusions. 1. She never believed in it in the first place and was just making noise. 2. She has given up on her beliefs in order to rejoin the enemy organisation. 3. She has changed her mind after thorough research and the way she communicates this is to delete the tweet that signaled her beliefs. And I have zero, absolutely zero doubt that this was mandated by her new employers, or she's done this in order to appease them. Vega going back is fine, she has a career and needs to make the right choices for herself. But, as I said earlier and fully stand behind, deleting the tweet is the act of a coward. You point out yourself that there are at least two plausible reasons (1 and 3) that would mean that she’s not being a coward at all, and I’d say there are more. So having confidence enough that number 2 is the reason to call her a coward seems like a leap. That’s what I was saying. Personally I think any three of these are a cowardly act. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 3, 2021 14:46:11 GMT -5
You point out yourself that there are at least two plausible reasons (1 and 3) that would mean that she’s not being a coward at all, and I’d say there are more. So having confidence enough that number 2 is the reason to call her a coward seems like a leap. That’s what I was saying. Personally I think any three of these are a cowardly act. Hmm alright, I’m not seeing that but to each his own. I would hate to be judged that harshly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 14:52:48 GMT -5
Personally I think any three of these are a cowardly act. Hmm alright, I’m not seeing that but to each his own. I would hate to be judged that harshly. Like I said, respectfully disagree. Not saying you're wrong, purely opinion and perspective. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 3, 2021 15:07:30 GMT -5
Yeah nobodys really wrong, but unions and the state the entire worlds at rn I cannot tell you how deflating it is to just see it happen and to head right back to the place that threw you out. Very, very annoying to just see the exact same result again and again, especially given the circumstances of what originally happened. Things like this just end up as a justification for just not even trying, not by people who are particularly anti union or anything, but just the examples you can throw out there of it going nowhere and living on when someone argues against and points out how far and away a goal like that is or might be. Like why would you even try again? It's a nightmare
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 3, 2021 15:20:16 GMT -5
It is unfortunate how her rallying cries when she left are now just kind of…poof. I don’t really begrudge her though.
Shame she came back to lose in like 4 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 15:23:34 GMT -5
Yeah, the C4 thing is a WWE deal. I got a survey from WWE about it a week or so ago.
Anyway:
THE RETURN OF ZELINA VEGA, WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT'S NEXT
By Mike Johnson on 2021-07-03 10:20:00
We see Zelina Vega is back, but WWE acted on Smackdown last night that she was never gone and she just hasn't been wrestling. What is going on? Why would she return after the way she was dumped by the company? Is this a case of they brought her back to cut her throat and dump her? Is Aleister Black back too? What happens to her Twitch feed now?
These are a lot of questions! I will address them all here as, after making some phone calls last night and this morning, this is what we can ascertain about the situation.
We are told that even after Vega was released, there were segments of the company who felt she should have been retained and not released. We are told those segments of the company pushed for conversations between the two sides to continue. They eventually did and we are told that after a long period of back and forth conversations, WWE execs apologized to Vega and made her an offer to return. Eventually, she decided to go through that open door and signed back with the company. There are differing accounts as to when that happened. One source told me May. Another told me it was much sooner than that but all sides opted to keep it quiet so they could strategize a return. Why they waited until now, only WWE could answer but they also signed Eva Marie and had her sitting around for nine months. Vega was backstage last week but had not been at any TVs beyond that in recent months.
So, why did she return? The two sides made amends and came to a compromise. That is how business works. We are told everyone came to an understanding on the other sides' perspective. She grew up wanting to be in WWE. Why wouldn't she return if all sides cleared the air?
As far as cutting Vega's throat off, they announced she's in Money in the Bank, which is already a stronger push as a wrestler then she had received on the main roster. She had been mostly used as a manager with the exception of the Asuka bouts right before she was released last year. To me, that's a good sign, especially since her promo was great last night. They plugged her into the Liv Morgan story. She may have lost but it wasn't like she was Barry Horowitz. It was Liv sneaking a win. If they use Vega consistently, then she's in a better position than she was on Raw. So, we'll see where it goes but the fact she's on Smackdown gives me more faith given the creative is consistently stronger on the blue brand. If she's getting wiped out every week, then I agree but I don't see last night as any sort of burial.
Finally, as of now, Aleister Black is not back with the company. Like with Vega, there were some who felt his release was premature and have pushed for him to return but we haven't heard of him signing or even in deep discussions to return. It may be he wants to see how the waters are outside of WWE and if I am him, with AEW, New Japan, etc. I'd certainly want to see what is out there on the open market.
As far as Twitch, to the best of my knowledge, it was ongoing, so my guess is it continues on in some form. I don't know enough about the Twitch world to tell you much about it.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 3, 2021 15:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 15:50:06 GMT -5
It is unfortunate how her rallying cries when she left are now just kind of…poof. I don’t really begrudge her though. Shame she came back to lose in like 4 minutes. All I can is... hope it was worth it, 'cuz you can't get that trust back. |
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Post by adamclark52 on Jul 3, 2021 16:01:19 GMT -5
As far as cutting Vega's throat off, they announced she's in Money in the Bank, which is already a stronger push as a wrestler then she had received on the main roster. She had been mostly used as a manager with the exception of the Asuka bouts right before she was released last year. To me, that's a good sign, especially since her promo was great last night. They plugged her into the Liv Morgan story. She may have lost but it wasn't like she was Barry Horowitz. It was Liv sneaking a win. If they use Vega consistently, then she's in a better position than she was on Raw. So, we'll see where it goes but the fact she's on Smackdown gives me more faith given the creative is consistently stronger on the blue brand. If she's getting wiped out every week, then I agree but I don't see last night as any sort of burial. Isn’t the women’s MitB match the one that was noted here a few weeks back for not having enough competitors to fill it? So she came back to her strongest push….as filler |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 3, 2021 16:02:01 GMT -5
Don't really get why she didn't sign with AEW especially since apparently they were apparently really interested in her. Would've been a better career move then going back to WWE with her tail tucked between her legs. I guess money talked. Whatever. I don't think she was really worth bringing back anyways. She's a good manager but it seems like they want to use her as a wrestler which I don't get as her work is average at best and she's so tiny it's impossible to buy her as any threat. I was watching her return segment last night on their YouTube page and even Liv towered over her. The fact that they beat her in 2 minutes in her first night back indicates they probably don't have much plans for her anyways. I mean she is in the MITB match but that just seemed like they did that as more of a way to advance this Liv storyline they're trying to push.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 16:17:30 GMT -5
Yeah, the C4 thing is a WWE deal. I got a survey from WWE about it a week or so ago. Anyway: THE RETURN OF ZELINA VEGA, WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT'S NEXT By Mike Johnson on 2021-07-03 10:20:00 We see Zelina Vega is back, but WWE acted on Smackdown last night that she was never gone and she just hasn't been wrestling. What is going on? Why would she return after the way she was dumped by the company? Is this a case of they brought her back to cut her throat and dump her? Is Aleister Black back too? What happens to her Twitch feed now?
These are a lot of questions! I will address them all here as, after making some phone calls last night and this morning, this is what we can ascertain about the situation. We are told that even after Vega was released, there were segments of the company who felt she should have been retained and not released. We are told those segments of the company pushed for conversations between the two sides to continue. They eventually did and we are told that after a long period of back and forth conversations, WWE execs apologized to Vega and made her an offer to return. Eventually, she decided to go through that open door and signed back with the company. There are differing accounts as to when that happened. One source told me May. Another told me it was much sooner than that but all sides opted to keep it quiet so they could strategize a return. Why they waited until now, only WWE could answer but they also signed Eva Marie and had her sitting around for nine months. Vega was backstage last week but had not been at any TVs beyond that in recent months. So, why did she return? The two sides made amends and came to a compromise. That is how business works. We are told everyone came to an understanding on the other sides' perspective. She grew up wanting to be in WWE. Why wouldn't she return if all sides cleared the air? As far as cutting Vega's throat off, they announced she's in Money in the Bank, which is already a stronger push as a wrestler then she had received on the main roster. She had been mostly used as a manager with the exception of the Asuka bouts right before she was released last year. To me, that's a good sign, especially since her promo was great last night. They plugged her into the Liv Morgan story. She may have lost but it wasn't like she was Barry Horowitz. It was Liv sneaking a win. If they use Vega consistently, then she's in a better position than she was on Raw. So, we'll see where it goes but the fact she's on Smackdown gives me more faith given the creative is consistently stronger on the blue brand. If she's getting wiped out every week, then I agree but I don't see last night as any sort of burial. Finally, as of now, Aleister Black is not back with the company. Like with Vega, there were some who felt his release was premature and have pushed for him to return but we haven't heard of him signing or even in deep discussions to return. It may be he wants to see how the waters are outside of WWE and if I am him, with AEW, New Japan, etc. I'd certainly want to see what is out there on the open market. As far as Twitch, to the best of my knowledge, it was ongoing, so my guess is it continues on in some form. I don't know enough about the Twitch world to tell you much about it. Yep, as I figured. Zelina gets the W here. The company apologized to her, gave her a bigger push and character than she's had prior, she's all good. Sometimes that's all you need. Not everybody is gonna be like "man f*** WWE f*** them I'm working for AEW I hate WWE" and not every wrestler in or out of the WWE thinks the way fans do. She seems happier. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 3, 2021 16:23:36 GMT -5
Yeah nobodys really wrong, but unions and the state the entire worlds at rn I cannot tell you how deflating it is to just see it happen and to head right back to the place that threw you out. Very, very annoying to just see the exact same result again and again, especially given the circumstances of what originally happened. Things like this just end up as a justification for just not even trying, not by people who are particularly anti union or anything, but just the examples you can throw out there of it going nowhere and living on when someone argues against and points out how far and away a goal like that is or might be. Like why would you even try again? It's a nightmare Yeah, like even if unionization is a non-starter, there was still broader issues of financial freedom that she claimed to stand for and apparently got fired for in the first place.
On the other hand, I think "coward" is an inaccurate word to describe her. "Fraud" or "fink" are more appropriate terms unless her coming back resulted in some more labor-friendly concessions on WWE's part beyond just for her personal gain.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 3, 2021 17:27:57 GMT -5
Yeah nobodys really wrong, but unions and the state the entire worlds at rn I cannot tell you how deflating it is to just see it happen and to head right back to the place that threw you out. Very, very annoying to just see the exact same result again and again, especially given the circumstances of what originally happened. Things like this just end up as a justification for just not even trying, not by people who are particularly anti union or anything, but just the examples you can throw out there of it going nowhere and living on when someone argues against and points out how far and away a goal like that is or might be. Like why would you even try again? It's a nightmare Yeah, like even if unionization is a non-starter, there was still broader issues of financial freedom that she claimed to stand for and apparently got fired for in the first place.
On the other hand, I think "coward" is an inaccurate word to describe her. "Fraud" or "fink" are more appropriate terms unless her coming back resulted in some more labor-friendly concessions on WWE's part beyond just for her personal gain.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 3, 2021 17:30:06 GMT -5
Yeah nobodys really wrong, but unions and the state the entire worlds at rn I cannot tell you how deflating it is to just see it happen and to head right back to the place that threw you out. Very, very annoying to just see the exact same result again and again, especially given the circumstances of what originally happened. Things like this just end up as a justification for just not even trying, not by people who are particularly anti union or anything, but just the examples you can throw out there of it going nowhere and living on when someone argues against and points out how far and away a goal like that is or might be. Like why would you even try again? It's a nightmare Yeah, like even if unionization is a non-starter, there was still broader issues of financial freedom that she claimed to stand for and apparently got fired for in the first place.
On the other hand, I think "coward" is an inaccurate word to describe her. "Fraud" or "fink" are more appropriate terms unless her coming back resulted in some more labor-friendly concessions on WWE's part beyond just for her personal gain.
That was in November and the earliest she re-signed was in May. That gave her 6 months to explore what was out there and see whether there was anything realistically that could be done union-wise. I’d guess it was looking like a dead end for her and so the best she could do for her career going forward was to re-sign. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 3, 2021 18:23:21 GMT -5
She can do whatever she wants but posts like these from any wrestler annoy me:
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jul 3, 2021 18:28:31 GMT -5
Yeah, the C4 thing is a WWE deal. I got a survey from WWE about it a week or so ago. Anyway: THE RETURN OF ZELINA VEGA, WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT'S NEXT By Mike Johnson on 2021-07-03 10:20:00 We see Zelina Vega is back, but WWE acted on Smackdown last night that she was never gone and she just hasn't been wrestling. What is going on? Why would she return after the way she was dumped by the company? Is this a case of they brought her back to cut her throat and dump her? Is Aleister Black back too? What happens to her Twitch feed now?
These are a lot of questions! I will address them all here as, after making some phone calls last night and this morning, this is what we can ascertain about the situation. We are told that even after Vega was released, there were segments of the company who felt she should have been retained and not released. We are told those segments of the company pushed for conversations between the two sides to continue. They eventually did and we are told that after a long period of back and forth conversations, WWE execs apologized to Vega and made her an offer to return. Eventually, she decided to go through that open door and signed back with the company. There are differing accounts as to when that happened. One source told me May. Another told me it was much sooner than that but all sides opted to keep it quiet so they could strategize a return. Why they waited until now, only WWE could answer but they also signed Eva Marie and had her sitting around for nine months. Vega was backstage last week but had not been at any TVs beyond that in recent months. So, why did she return? The two sides made amends and came to a compromise. That is how business works. We are told everyone came to an understanding on the other sides' perspective. She grew up wanting to be in WWE. Why wouldn't she return if all sides cleared the air? As far as cutting Vega's throat off, they announced she's in Money in the Bank, which is already a stronger push as a wrestler then she had received on the main roster. She had been mostly used as a manager with the exception of the Asuka bouts right before she was released last year. To me, that's a good sign, especially since her promo was great last night. They plugged her into the Liv Morgan story. She may have lost but it wasn't like she was Barry Horowitz. It was Liv sneaking a win. If they use Vega consistently, then she's in a better position than she was on Raw. So, we'll see where it goes but the fact she's on Smackdown gives me more faith given the creative is consistently stronger on the blue brand. If she's getting wiped out every week, then I agree but I don't see last night as any sort of burial. Finally, as of now, Aleister Black is not back with the company. Like with Vega, there were some who felt his release was premature and have pushed for him to return but we haven't heard of him signing or even in deep discussions to return. It may be he wants to see how the waters are outside of WWE and if I am him, with AEW, New Japan, etc. I'd certainly want to see what is out there on the open market. As far as Twitch, to the best of my knowledge, it was ongoing, so my guess is it continues on in some form. I don't know enough about the Twitch world to tell you much about it. Yep, as I figured. Zelina gets the W here. The company apologized to her, gave her a bigger push and character than she's had prior, she's all good. Sometimes that's all you need. Not everybody is gonna be like "man f*** WWE f*** them I'm working for AEW I hate WWE" and not every wrestler in or out of the WWE thinks the way fans do. She seems happier. Seriously. I think we message board fans take their careers more seriously than a lot of them in the back! Haha |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 3, 2021 18:39:28 GMT -5
Yep, as I figured. Zelina gets the W here. The company apologized to her, gave her a bigger push and character than she's had prior, she's all good. Sometimes that's all you need. Not everybody is gonna be like "man f*** WWE f*** them I'm working for AEW I hate WWE" and not every wrestler in or out of the WWE thinks the way fans do. She seems happier. Seriously. I think we message board fans take their careers more seriously than a lot of them in the back! Haha Nakamura should be World champion Man listen, all Nak wants to do is surf |
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Post by chrom on Jul 3, 2021 18:39:34 GMT -5
Yeah a bigger push alright, instead of losing in one minute, she lost in two minutes.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 3, 2021 18:44:17 GMT -5
"Dirt sheets"
*sigh*
Zelina, WWE became a dirt sheet itself when it abandoned kayfabe when you were seven years old.
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