Zelina Vega was at the PC *She has Returned to TV*

[khali]

Jul 6, 2021 16:32:03 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Jul 6, 2021 15:59:40 GMT -5 khali said:

See, this is where it just gets silly to me. The anti-Dave trolls, being trolls, are disingenuous bad actors by their nature. While Dave has said things poorly in the past, he and no one else should try to speak in a way that won’t provide ammo to the trolls. The trolls will find it anyway. Responding to valid criticism is right. Worrying about providing a two second sound bite to troll accounts is useless because they’ll do it anyway. That’s their goal.

I think the part that kills me is that it's always the same handful of obvious troll accounts, and people keep taking them seriously ebcause they're just that determined to hate Meltzer.

And it’s because they’ve chosen Meltzer as the one to tackle. If the trolls decided to go after Alvarez, we’d be having discourse about out of context clips of him calling people geeks.

[The Rick Jericho]

[Welfare Willis]

Jul 6, 2021 10:13:59 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Jul 6, 2021 7:24:09 GMT -5 mrtuesday said:

One thing the last few years have taught me is that pro wrestlers have the thinnest skin.

I have to disagree on some of whats being said. Dave likes to speculate on stuff especially with Charlotte getting surgery, if he just reported the FACTS and didn't add his opinions on things he'd be fine.

Yeah, That's the shit that gets him into trouble. Also I think this has been in the air for a while with old stuff Meltz wrote about people like Sable being dug up. I think with Prichard being a high position it doesn't hurt to bash Meltzer. But please don't confuse me with defending Dave. He's been caught saying a lot of dumb shit recently. Honestly I think it's a perfect storm of dumb shit: Women being in a very public spotlight who have to put a lot of stupid internet comments, Dave being a high profile member of the IWC, and trolls willing to stir shit.

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Boy, Zelina and friends sure went quiet ragging Meltzer and his news reporting today... reeeeeal quiet.

Almost like when "Dirtsheets" report WWE doesn't seem to be doing shit to a guy who has 4-5 DUI's already under his belt after another DUI... they suddenly have no comeback or defense for their companies ethics or no high ground to punch down on.

And I'm not saying this to be petty or in an "I told you so" way. This is me saying if you're going to be a shithead on Twitter it's gonna bite you in the ass and why you shouldn't set yourself up for it.

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Jul 6, 2021 21:38:33 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Boy, Zelina and friends sure went quiet ragging Meltzer and his news reporting today... reeeeeal quiet.

Almost like when "Dirtsheets" report WWE doesn't seem to be doing shit to a guy who has 4-5 DUI's already under his belt after another DUI... they suddenly have no comeback or defense for their companies ethics or no high ground to punch down on.

And I'm not saying this to be petty or in an "I told you so" way. This is me saying if you're going to be a shithead on Twitter it's gonna bite you in the ass and why you shouldn't set yourself up for it.

I'm a Zelina fan, but this is a big L for her.

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Jul 6, 2021 21:48:44 GMT -5 @dax said:

Jul 6, 2021 21:38:33 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Boy, Zelina and friends sure went quiet ragging Meltzer and his news reporting today... reeeeeal quiet.

Almost like when "Dirtsheets" report WWE doesn't seem to be doing shit to a guy who has 4-5 DUI's already under his belt after another DUI... they suddenly have no comeback or defense for their companies ethics or no high ground to punch down on.

And I'm not saying this to be petty or in an "I told you so" way. This is me saying if you're going to be a shithead on Twitter it's gonna bite you in the ass and why you shouldn't set yourself up for it.

I'm a Zelina fan, but this is a big L for her.

Her and Black both really drank the Kool Aid when it came to the Dirtsheet stuff... I'm not turned off to Black as much but he also hasn't tripled down like Zelina has in the last few days off of her own circumstances of returning

It's just a bad look all around when you mock a Dirtsheet and don't specify why or what Dave and them got wrong... and then when they report your company is being shitty and won't punish someone who clearly should be... you go quiet as a mouse. Funny where your priorities lie under the payroll again. 

[polarbearpete]

Jul 6, 2021 21:38:33 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Boy, Zelina and friends sure went quiet ragging Meltzer and his news reporting today... reeeeeal quiet.

Almost like when "Dirtsheets" report WWE doesn't seem to be doing shit to a guy who has 4-5 DUI's already under his belt after another DUI... they suddenly have no comeback or defense for their companies ethics or no high ground to punch down on.

And I'm not saying this to be petty or in an "I told you so" way. This is me saying if you're going to be a shithead on Twitter it's gonna bite you in the ass and why you shouldn't set yourself up for it.

Not seeing the connection here at all

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

My opinion, for what little it matters on the subject given we’re on page 20 and have moved onto Meltzer.

Zelina going back means a compromise on her morals and stance that she had back in November. I don’t fully fault her for that, as plenty of people have to swallow their pride and compromise on things when they work for companies with differing views than their own. If Zelina’s getting paid, and it’s more than she was getting with Twitch/Cameo/OF/others, then good for her. Make money, especially in an industry that likes to pay as little as possible.

But she set herself up as the face of change, openly talking of unionization and meeting with the head of SAG. These actions, to me, say that this wasn’t in the heat of the moment or done on a whim. You have to know the banned words when working for the company, and if you don’t believe me then look at Mark Henry’s HOF speech. The second he mentions Owen Hart, the air in the room gets sucked out and a weird vibe fills the arena.

She knew what she was doing. She did it willfully. And to now turn around, delete everything from the past few months, well, that screams scummy behavior. She won’t talk about why she abandoned unionization efforts or what happened with meetings for a long time, if she does at all, so we as fans can only go off of how she carries herself now. Making a blanket statement that felt like bait only further enforces my belief of scummy behavior, but I’m just a guy on the internet. My opinion shouldn’t matter to her in the grand scheme of things, so I’ll end by saying that I hope the money and her position in WWE are fulfilling for her.

[polarbearpete]

Jul 7, 2021 20:41:23 GMT -5 Oak: Certified Jade Hater said:

My opinion, for what little it matters on the subject given we’re on page 20 and have moved onto Meltzer.

Zelina going back means a compromise on her morals and stance that she had back in November. I don’t fully fault her for that, as plenty of people have to swallow their pride and compromise on things when they work for companies with differing views than their own. If Zelina’s getting paid, and it’s more than she was getting with Twitch/Cameo/OF/others, then good for her. Make money, especially in an industry that likes to pay as little as possible.

But she set herself up as the face of change, openly talking of unionization and meeting with the head of SAG. These actions, to me, say that this wasn’t in the heat of the moment or done on a whim. You have to know the banned words when working for the company, and if you don’t believe me then look at Mark Henry’s HOF speech. The second he mentions Owen Hart, the air in the room gets sucked out and a weird vibe fills the arena.

She knew what she was doing. She did it willfully. And to now turn around, delete everything from the past few months, well, that screams scummy behavior. She won’t talk about why she abandoned unionization efforts or what happened with meetings for a long time, if she does at all, so we as fans can only go off of how she carries herself now. Making a blanket statement that felt like bait only further enforces my belief of scummy behavior, but I’m just a guy on the internet. My opinion shouldn’t matter to her in the grand scheme of things, so I’ll end by saying that I hope the money and her position in WWE are fulfilling for her.

I think scummy is a little strong when as you admit we don’t know the reasons why behind everything. We don’t know why she made the statement originally. We don’t know what she learned about unionizing and the reality of it. In fact, her actually looking into it and meeting with SAG and nothing coming of it points more towards her having learned it might not be realistic or maybe not desirable, more than it would lead to the conclusion she’s being scummy.

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

Jul 7, 2021 20:49:07 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Jul 7, 2021 20:41:23 GMT -5 Oak: Certified Jade Hater said:

My opinion, for what little it matters on the subject given we’re on page 20 and have moved onto Meltzer.

Zelina going back means a compromise on her morals and stance that she had back in November. I don’t fully fault her for that, as plenty of people have to swallow their pride and compromise on things when they work for companies with differing views than their own. If Zelina’s getting paid, and it’s more than she was getting with Twitch/Cameo/OF/others, then good for her. Make money, especially in an industry that likes to pay as little as possible.

But she set herself up as the face of change, openly talking of unionization and meeting with the head of SAG. These actions, to me, say that this wasn’t in the heat of the moment or done on a whim. You have to know the banned words when working for the company, and if you don’t believe me then look at Mark Henry’s HOF speech. The second he mentions Owen Hart, the air in the room gets sucked out and a weird vibe fills the arena.

She knew what she was doing. She did it willfully. And to now turn around, delete everything from the past few months, well, that screams scummy behavior. She won’t talk about why she abandoned unionization efforts or what happened with meetings for a long time, if she does at all, so we as fans can only go off of how she carries herself now. Making a blanket statement that felt like bait only further enforces my belief of scummy behavior, but I’m just a guy on the internet. My opinion shouldn’t matter to her in the grand scheme of things, so I’ll end by saying that I hope the money and her position in WWE are fulfilling for her.

I think scummy is a little strong when as you admit we don’t know the reasons why behind everything. We don’t know why she made the statement originally. We don’t know what she learned about unionizing and the reality of it. In fact, her actually looking into it and meeting with SAG and nothing coming of it points more towards her having learned it might not be realistic or maybe not desirable, more than it would lead to the conclusion she’s being scummy.

I’ll concede that point, but that was my feeling in that moment. IIRC it was said in this thread that Zelina deleted the unionization tweets back before she was signed. And if that’s the case, that would show it’s a personal choice and speaks on her character. She could have said something about it before being signed, but again, I doubt she’ll speak on anything close to that while under contract.

[Gus Richlen: Ruffian]

So, now what?

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Jul 7, 2021 22:01:33 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

So, now what?

Zelina and Black both have sex on a bed covered in money I guess?

From a booking standpoint idk what Zelina is going to do but by her initial match it doesn't look like a ton... but she's getting paid. 

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Jul 7, 2021 22:01:33 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

So, now what?

Precedent seems to imply that this ends up with Liv Morgan putting Zelina Vega through a table every week for three months.

[polarbearpete]

Jul 7, 2021 20:57:32 GMT -5 Oak: Certified Jade Hater said:

Jul 7, 2021 20:49:07 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

I think scummy is a little strong when as you admit we don’t know the reasons why behind everything. We don’t know why she made the statement originally. We don’t know what she learned about unionizing and the reality of it. In fact, her actually looking into it and meeting with SAG and nothing coming of it points more towards her having learned it might not be realistic or maybe not desirable, more than it would lead to the conclusion she’s being scummy.

I’ll concede that point, but that was my feeling in that moment. IIRC it was said in this thread that Zelina deleted the unionization tweets back before she was signed. And if that’s the case, that would show it’s a personal choice and speaks on her character. She could have said something about it before being signed, but again, I doubt she’ll speak on anything close to that while under contract.

I believe she just deleted all of her tweets, not just the unionization one.

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Jul 7, 2021 22:01:33 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

So, now what?

Nothing really besides giving congratulations to Zelina and Black.

Zelina got an apology, new contract and she's actually being used as a wrestler.
Black got a huge debut in AEW with creative control.
They started building their first house today.

That family is happy and gooooooodddddddddd right now.

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

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Jul 7, 2021 23:50:59 GMT -5 @kn said:

Jul 7, 2021 22:01:33 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

So, now what?

Nothing really besides giving congratulations to Zelina and Black.

Zelina got an apology, new contract and she's actually being used as a wrestler.
Black got a huge debut in AEW with creative control.
They started building their first house today.

That family is happy and gooooooodddddddddd right now.

Yeah, I don't know if she's someone who cares about wins or losses. Maybe she just wants to wrestle. SD needs more wrestlers in the women's division anyawy.

[kingoftheindies]

Jul 7, 2021 23:50:59 GMT -5 @kn said:

Jul 7, 2021 22:01:33 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

So, now what?

Nothing really besides giving congratulations to Zelina and Black.

Zelina got an apology, new contract and she's actually being used as a wrestler.
Black got a huge debut in AEW with creative control.
They started building their first house today.

That family is happy and gooooooodddddddddd right now.

Yep. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if WWE gave Zelina more freedom with the third party stuff (which I believe they loosened their stance on that pretty quickly). As I said before ad long ad she isn't a malcontent complaining about her use in a few months you won't hear me say a negative word about her going to WWE.

Black I never expected resigned. With a guy like Joe it seemed like a legal thing where they wanted to change his main contract so they had to get out of his new one. But it was clear even if he didn't burn bridges that Black was looking forward to the creative freedom

[Dub H]

Jul 8, 2021 6:49:19 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Jul 7, 2021 23:50:59 GMT -5 @kn said:

Nothing really besides giving congratulations to Zelina and Black.

Zelina got an apology, new contract and she's actually being used as a wrestler.
Black got a huge debut in AEW with creative control.
They started building their first house today.

That family is happy and gooooooodddddddddd right now.

Yep. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if WWE gave Zelina more freedom with the third party stuff (which I believe they loosened their stance on that pretty quickly). As I said before ad long ad she isn't a malcontent complaining about her use in a few months you won't hear me say a negative word about her going to WWE.

Black I never expected resigned. With a guy like Joe it seemed like a legal thing where they wanted to change his main contract so they had to get out of his new one. But it was clear even if he didn't burn bridges that Black was looking forward to the creative freedom

they definitely didnt loosen it.

No personal cameos,no sponsorship ,twitch gets taken from your downside.Everythjng must go throught WWE

[The Ichi]

Jul 7, 2021 22:01:33 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

So, now what?

Same thing as always when threads reach 20 pages. Food discussion.