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Post by asuka007 on Mar 12, 2024 0:35:27 GMT -5
Forgetting that Liv has good matches with Shayna, Sonya, Asuka, Bianca, etc.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 12, 2024 0:39:15 GMT -5
I said it in the Raw thread but how is it not obvious that Liv looked so good in large part due to Becky? For months now she's been giving people left and right some of the best matches of their careers. Trish. Zoey. Tiffany. Lyra. Xia. Indi. Tegan. Nia. Liv. Like it can't be a coincidence. She's really good at making other people look good. Not discounting Liv. It of course takes two to tango but all those comments that were like "Liv completely outclassed Becky" are ridiculous to me. Becky gave her so much of that match in a way only a few people on her level would. Between tonight and their PPV match in 2022 it's pretty clear that Becky might be Liv's best opponent, match quality wise. Like a lot of people are disappointed that Chad Gable lost tonight but it rarely gets to quite the same toxic level of "f*** Sami for beating him" and finding the need to discredit him like an enemy or something. Ahh yes, Liv's only good matches of her entire career are the 2 vs Becky and Becky is solely responsible for this cause she is the greatest women's wrestler in history... 100% accurate It’s not that serious. You don’t have to agree those are Liv’s best matches. It’s of course subjective. I recall her also having a really good match with Charlotte around 2021. What do you think are her best matches? I’m a Liv fan and have been for years. It feels like you’re only welcome here though if you’re a stan and to be fair I should’ve probably taken that hint with the thread title. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 12, 2024 0:58:29 GMT -5
At some point, some wrestling fans started projecting their own personal dislike, the simple “My favourite wrestler didn’t win tonight”, and not only started taking that booking move as a personal disrespect to them, but also projected that disrespect onto the talent as though they’re supposed to feel the same way. And ever since, it’s been impossible to book a wrestling show because every f***er has stans that believe that their fave has to always win and always has got to get their shit in because ThEy DeSeRvE iT or else the evil booker man hates them/me. If Morgan actually WAS getting the title shot, we’d be hearing from the Lynch stans about why one of the actual top stars of the division is missing out after one of the best in-ring years of her career, “WhY dO tHeY hAtE hEr???”. You may be happy, but someone else isn’t, so the noise remains the same and it NEVER STOPS. Combine that with the pedestal escalation or “Only the main event is important” and “Only WrestleMania is important”, and you end up with this ridiculous situation where anything less than being in the most important match or the year is the same thing as being seen as a stepped-in dog shit. This NEVER used to be an issue, so what the f*** changed? yeah clown, cause everything is totally equal... especially when it comes to Becky and Liv they've both been given the same opportunities and had the same quality matches over the last few years, 100%... nah man, can't just pretend everything is equal and both sides have a claim to make such an argument... in this example, one of them has had countless chances and opportunities and wins in big matches on big PPVs while the other has has essentially nothing so yeah in this specific case 1 fan base has every right to be livid (pun intended) while the other would have no right... not to mention Becky absolutely refuses to put over any other talent, even in a match on RAW where a loss would have no impact on her WrestleMania match whatsoever if you don't get these things and want to continue running your mouth feel free, in the meantime pound sand You’re right, it’s not equal. You’re sitting there going on about Lynch eating Morgan’s lunch, but here’s the thing… Morgan’s at the f***in’ table, how many women on that roster don’t even get table scraps? I look at someone like Alba Fyre, probably one of the best workers on that roster male or female, can barely get one TV match to lose every other month. Isla Dawn, same thing. Candice LeRae, bannerwoman for indie women’s wrestling for years and was in some f***in’ wars, might only JUST NOW be getting an inkling of a skerrick of a smidgen of a storyline. They’re the ones that should be getting rallied around just to get their heads above water. And dare we forget that it was only six years ago that Lynch HERSELF was THIS person? Not even on the main WM card like Morgan, in the same pre-show battle royal as Morgan and ELIMINATED FROM THE MATCH BEFORE MORGAN WAS. Yet within six months, Lynch was the hottest thing on the roster and another six months later won the WrestleMania main event. Which says to me one thing… You never write anyone off. You want to wallow in your misery and throw insults around and protest with your username because your favourite will not be literally the most important person in wrestling this year. Whoopty-shit, neither will 100+ other people on that roster. But there’s no point in saying that it’ll never happen again for her (and I say again because she’s already had a title run, which is more than what a lot of women will ever get) because wrestling can be really unpredictable when it wants to be. But what do I know? I’m just some clown that’s only been watching wrestling for 25 years and been posting about it on this board for nearly 20. |
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 12, 2024 1:00:04 GMT -5
At some point, some wrestling fans started projecting their own personal dislike, the simple “My favourite wrestler didn’t win tonight”, and not only started taking that booking move as a personal disrespect to them, but also projected that disrespect onto the talent as though they’re supposed to feel the same way. And ever since, it’s been impossible to book a wrestling show because every f***er has stans that believe that their fave has to always win and always has got to get their shit in because ThEy DeSeRvE iT or else the evil booker man hates them/me. If Morgan actually WAS getting the title shot, we’d be hearing from the Lynch stans about why one of the actual top stars of the division is missing out after one of the best in-ring years of her career, “WhY dO tHeY hAtE hEr???”. You may be happy, but someone else isn’t, so the noise remains the same and it NEVER STOPS. Combine that with the pedestal escalation or “Only the main event is important” and “Only WrestleMania is important”, and you end up with this ridiculous situation where anything less than being in the most important match or the year is the same thing as being seen as a stepped-in dog shit. This NEVER used to be an issue, so what the f*** changed? Look, I’m a massive Becky fan. On paper, Rhea vs. Becky is the biggest match they could do. So I do not like having to say this, but Becky is just cold right now. Not only is Rhea getting cheered over her despite being a heel. But the crowd was mostly behind Liv tonight as well. Because right now, Liv is a more interesting character and she has a more built in feud with Rhea. Trying to ignore that is foolish and I’d tell Triple H that to his face if I ever (respectfully) got to meet him in person. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 12, 2024 1:02:38 GMT -5
At some point, some wrestling fans started projecting their own personal dislike, the simple “My favourite wrestler didn’t win tonight”, and not only started taking that booking move as a personal disrespect to them, but also projected that disrespect onto the talent as though they’re supposed to feel the same way. And ever since, it’s been impossible to book a wrestling show because every f***er has stans that believe that their fave has to always win and always has got to get their shit in because ThEy DeSeRvE iT or else the evil booker man hates them/me. If Morgan actually WAS getting the title shot, we’d be hearing from the Lynch stans about why one of the actual top stars of the division is missing out after one of the best in-ring years of her career, “WhY dO tHeY hAtE hEr???”. You may be happy, but someone else isn’t, so the noise remains the same and it NEVER STOPS. Combine that with the pedestal escalation or “Only the main event is important” and “Only WrestleMania is important”, and you end up with this ridiculous situation where anything less than being in the most important match or the year is the same thing as being seen as a stepped-in dog shit. This NEVER used to be an issue, so what the f*** changed? Look, I’m a massive Becky fan. On paper, Rhea vs. Becky is the biggest match they could do. So I do not like having to say this, but Becky is just cold right now. Not only is Rhea getting cheered over her despite being a heel. But the crowd was mostly behind Liv tonight as well. Because right now, Liv is a more interesting character and she has a more built in feud with Rhea. Trying to ignore that is foolish and I’d tell Triple H that to his face if I ever (respectfully) got to meet him in person. But is that more about Ripley being insanely hot than it is about Lynch? If Lynch is losing the battle of fans there, OK, but I’m not sure Morgan fares much better, if at all. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 12, 2024 1:07:28 GMT -5
I'm glad the community overall came down against pages and pages of jiggle gifs for Specific Female Wrestler threads but man these places still got problems
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 12, 2024 1:09:25 GMT -5
I'm glad the community overall came down against pages and pages of jiggle gifs for Specific Female Wrestler threads but man these places still got problemsAt the end of the day, nine out of 10 wrestling debates boil down to “My fave should win”. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 12, 2024 1:22:50 GMT -5
I'm glad the community overall came down against pages and pages of jiggle gifs for Specific Female Wrestler threads but man these places still got problemsIn my experience these type of threads usually follow the same life pattern. Starts off simply wholesomely supporting the person and eventually devolves into toxicity and relentlessly shitting on anyone who could be deemed a threat to their spot. Like the overboard hatred Bianca has been getting in Asuka/IYO threads for years for existing and being booked to win more matches. Not saying it’s everyone but it’s there. And even being like damn I hate that so and so beat whoever is completely fine. It’s when it goes beyond that. Like why is a mod being called a clown for daring to not think a wrestler is the top person in the company or whatever mild opinion it was lol. I don’t get why it can sometimes be so difficult to disagree in a civil manner without being combative or dismissive of the other person. |
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Post by cosmo on Mar 12, 2024 1:35:44 GMT -5
I'm glad the community overall came down against pages and pages of jiggle gifs for Specific Female Wrestler threads but man these places still got problems
For real, it's like the forum replaced the old "Women of Wrestling" spank bank threads with the occasional "all of you are wrong except me" thread.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 12, 2024 1:55:55 GMT -5
Look, I’m a massive Becky fan. On paper, Rhea vs. Becky is the biggest match they could do. So I do not like having to say this, but Becky is just cold right now. Not only is Rhea getting cheered over her despite being a heel. But the crowd was mostly behind Liv tonight as well. Because right now, Liv is a more interesting character and she has a more built in feud with Rhea. Trying to ignore that is foolish and I’d tell Triple H that to his face if I ever (respectfully) got to meet him in person. But is that more about Ripley being insanely hot than it is about Lynch? If Lynch is losing the battle of fans there, OK, but I’m not sure Morgan fares much better, if at all. Becky is not only losing the battle for fans with Rhea. But tonight, she lost that same battle vs. Liv as well Believe me, I am NOT trying to criticize Becky or anything. But this particularly Mania feels like it’s a weird case of “that match makes a lot of a sense, just not now” over and over again. |
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Post by HIM on Mar 12, 2024 2:14:30 GMT -5
This thread is nuts. I don't see how someone can say Becky doesn't put anyone over when she put Lyra over. Hell, she went heel purely to put Bianca over. She put Nia over at Day 1. She was eliminated by Jade at the Rumble. She puts people over. The problem is she isn't putting yalls favorites over aka Liv which is funny since her entire story right now is related to her not getting her shine. Liv ain't supposed to go over Becky now. You save that.
I don't get it bruh. Is this a reasonable fan thread or a Stan thread? Am I really the only one who sees Becky going heel and Liv's storyline being good for her character? Doesn't it make more sense for Becky to lose to Rhea at WM and in cheers only to turn heel and then she and Liv can have a rightful feud rather than this "omg who will face Rhea" one?
Can't be. This is Wrestling 101.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Mar 12, 2024 3:01:37 GMT -5
My post in jest about "woe is Liv, she only defeated the most over woman in the match and the nigh-unbeatable EST before a surprise fall, better pack it in" was taken at face value. That says everything about this thread.
You want to get on my case? It's all good. EOE did nothing.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 12, 2024 3:15:05 GMT -5
This thread is nuts. I don't see how someone can say Becky doesn't put anyone over when she put Lyra over. Hell, she went heel purely to put Bianca over. She put Nia over at Day 1. She was eliminated by Jade at the Rumble. She puts people over. The problem is she isn't putting yalls favorites over aka Liv which is funny since her entire story right now is related to her not getting her shine. Liv ain't supposed to go over Becky now. You save that. I don't get it bruh. Is this a reasonable fan thread or a Stan thread? Am I really the only one who sees Becky going heel and Liv's storyline being good for her character? Doesn't it make more sense for Becky to lose to Rhea at WM and in cheers only to turn heel and then she and Liv can have a rightful feud rather than this "omg who will face Rhea" one? Can't be. This is Wrestling 101. Becky absolutely puts people over. That is without question. What sim fans will critique however is the idea that Liv will be shut out of a Mania match despite having a built in Story for such a match. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 12, 2024 3:57:47 GMT -5
I'd hate to see this thread get locked, so hey everyone, watch this!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 4:27:40 GMT -5
I'd hate to see this thread get locked, so hey everyone, watch this! *claps* *spins* *does a shimmy* mods should really just deactivate my account and ban me problem solved |
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Post by msc on Mar 12, 2024 4:56:32 GMT -5
Makes me feel my groans at Drews 2023 booking look chilled.
Liv Morgan has a B player slot on RAW. She'll get focus and shine but isn't their top priority. That's still a better spot than Alba Fyre has, or Emma got, and crucially it's a far better slot than Liv Morgan had about three years ago. She's also getting a lot of TV time and protected on ppv so clearly someone is high on her.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 12, 2024 5:08:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I think Liv just had unfortunate timing with her return. The major women's feuds are essentially locked in place so she's essentially on the periphery of the big programs. A David vs Goliath match against Nia at Mania would do her some good, but it seems more likely that she'll get in the battle royal which (if recent booking suggests) will probably be a showcase for Tiffany Stratton than anyone else.
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Post by mj0mn0m on Mar 12, 2024 7:26:24 GMT -5
I don't mind the L, 'cause it was a great match with finishers/nearfalls. Becky is the GOAT - but the reason her matches stand from the rest is exactly these kind of spots, that are reserved ONLY for main eventers. That's why I'm glad Liv's getting the same kind of trust now, slowly but surely. No need for beauty shaming either, as she has the skills too to warrant her current role - which is future WWE Champion, like it or not! Once in a lifetime talent.  *claps*
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Post by mj0mn0m on Mar 12, 2024 7:41:00 GMT -5
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 12, 2024 8:00:35 GMT -5
At some point, some wrestling fans started projecting their own personal dislike, the simple “My favourite wrestler didn’t win tonight”, and not only started taking that booking move as a personal disrespect to them, but also projected that disrespect onto the talent as though they’re supposed to feel the same way. And ever since, it’s been impossible to book a wrestling show because every f***er has stans that believe that their fave has to always win and always has got to get their shit in because ThEy DeSeRvE iT or else the evil booker man hates them/me. If Morgan actually WAS getting the title shot, we’d be hearing from the Lynch stans about why one of the actual top stars of the division is missing out after one of the best in-ring years of her career, “WhY dO tHeY hAtE hEr???”. You may be happy, but someone else isn’t, so the noise remains the same and it NEVER STOPS. Combine that with the pedestal escalation or “Only the main event is important” and “Only WrestleMania is important”, and you end up with this ridiculous situation where anything less than being in the most important match or the year is the same thing as being seen as a stepped-in dog shit. This NEVER used to be an issue, so what the f*** changed? I think there is just so much more wrestling content now than before (WWE branded and social media) that it leads to people feeling more connected to wrestlers. Like where will a Charlie Haas fan in 2004 go to voice their disapproval and a sense of community with other Haas marks? Now you get to learn so much about a performer through their social media and what other fans post of them in their community that it becomes part of their identity to be a fan of a certain wrestler. So when that performer doesn't get booked "right" then it hurts a lot more and that explains the backlash that some fans present. I am not saying people getting more invested in wrestling character as people is a bad thing (does lead to more business for WWE/AEW etc) but the downside is when those fans don't see their favorites win, they get angrier (at both the bookers and the people being their favorites) |
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