Liv Morgan Support Group Station

[The Rick Jericho]

mj0mn0m here's the million dollar question tonight.

Was this a heel turn to YOU?

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Aug 5, 2022 21:22:35 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

mj0mn0m here's the million dollar question tonight.

Was this a heel turn to YOU?

I need to rewatch it all. Nope as of this moment. I think they'll try their best to salvage their f***ed up ship for a while, see the crowd reaction in the UK and then bring in Ronda Rousey to (sadly) end the Liv Morgan Experiment. Maybe later on. We will see. 

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Liv needs to light a fire under her ass, lay the smackdown on her opponents and be a bit' vicious [use_bitch!] if they want to keep her as a face. No f***ing way anything will work out for her if she just accepts to being bullied by the crowd and other wrestlers!🔥

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

Honestly nobody likes a flukey champion that just wins with rollups or by sheer dumb luck, see Nikki ASH last year. She's gotta start beating people cleanly like Bianca does cause people can see right through the underdog flukey shit after the initial WOW SHE WON YOU DESERVE IT stuff fades.

[theironyuppie]

Aug 5, 2022 22:08:39 GMT -5 xxshoyuweeniexx said:

Honestly nobody likes a flukey champion that just wins with rollups or by sheer dumb luck, see Nikki ASH last year. She's gotta start beating people cleanly like Bianca does cause people can see right through the underdog flukey shit after the initial WOW SHE WON YOU DESERVE IT stuff fades.

The problem though is that Liv's not Bianca. She's not going to get her dominant booking--she can win clean of course, but she's not a powerhouse. 

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Aug 5, 2022 22:28:13 GMT -5 theironyuppie said:

Aug 5, 2022 22:08:39 GMT -5 xxshoyuweeniexx said:

Honestly nobody likes a flukey champion that just wins with rollups or by sheer dumb luck, see Nikki ASH last year. She's gotta start beating people cleanly like Bianca does cause people can see right through the underdog flukey shit after the initial WOW SHE WON YOU DESERVE IT stuff fades.

The problem though is that Liv's not Bianca. She's not going to get her dominant booking--she can win clean of course, but she's not a powerhouse. 

Which makes a chickenshit heel champ look more and more likely…

That would be a Vince move so it’ll be interesting to see what Trips does.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Aug 5, 2022 22:08:39 GMT -5 xxshoyuweeniexx said:

Honestly nobody likes a flukey champion that just wins with rollups or by sheer dumb luck, see Nikki ASH last year. She's gotta start beating people cleanly like Bianca does cause people can see right through the underdog flukey shit after the initial WOW SHE WON YOU DESERVE IT stuff fades.

The f***ed up thing is, it's only been the matches with Rousey involved that she's "been lucky" since she started getting this push going into Money In The Bank.

First match, RAW before MITB, she fights Bliss. Yes, she wins with a rollup, but in this thread alone we had this post:

Jul 16, 2022 21:49:50 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

I want Liv to use more wins like this. She needs to be booked as a wrestler that has to outsmart the bigger and badder opponents she faces.

Book her like BRET!

And here's the finish from that:



OK, Bliss was hotdogging and grandstanding instead of hitting a DDT, but that's a tight rollup and it wasn't caused by outside interference or distraction. Ring awareness, capitalising on Bliss's mistake.

Second match, six woman tag, boom, Oblivion on Shotzi for the pin. Third match, ladder match, boom, briefcase. Fourth match is cash-in for the belt. Fifth match, tag match, boom, Oblivion to Natalya for the pin. Sixth match, singles against Natalya, boom, Oblivion for the pin. Seventh match, Rousey back involved for a tag, she gets the tapout on Deville after Morgan tries to work the whole match as a handicap to prove she can do it on her own. Eighth match, SummerSlam and... yeah. That's where we're at.

So basically the common denominator in all this is Rousey, and how she apparently need to be protected because everyone's brains will explode if she somehow loses a wrestling match by not being a better wrestler. That's why I think it's more a "protect Rousey" thing than a "hurt Morgan" thing, at least until the PPV match with Baszler.

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Weren’t the reports a few weeks ago talking about how over Liv was as a babyface at the live events? HHH couldn’t have that.

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Will Liv be still selling that arm after a month? 

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Would The Miracle Kid be able to survive one of Scarlett's fireball attacks?

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Aug 5, 2022 23:37:40 GMT -5 @dax said:

Would The Miracle Kid be able to survive one of Scarlett's fireball attacks?

For sure. She's a hero, a survivor. She did go thru hell after all...

[1 Free Moon-Down with Burger]

Big time Bayley after the kendo stick match with Bliss vibes from that promo.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Liv is going to retain at Clash at the Castle when Shayna chokes her out while she accidentally leaves her shoulders on the mat.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

The most likeable face on the roster in a span of a few weeks has gone from getting big pops to now getting booed. Nice going idiots.

Will be interesting to see how her crowd reactions are going forward and if this continues. I don't think you can afford to turn her heel just simply for the fact that they are short enough on faces as it is. If you turn her you have almost literally no one as it would just be Raquel and Aliyah as the only faces on SD. Unless they keep Ronda face instead however they would still be short.

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I'm worried she might fall into obsecruity under HHH.

Having said that, it's no surprise that the crowd are turning on her.

WWE really underestimate how much shit booking can affect a character.

Liv would've probably got even more over if she brought a good fight to Ronda and LOST, rather than that whole "She tapped out when Rondas shoulders were up!" garbage.


Right now, the only route to take is a Daniel Bryan WHC run storyline where she over celebrates her lucky wins and gets extremely cocky about it.

[fw91]

I feel bad for her. It seemed like a logical decision in that it was way for Liv to retain but in a believable way.

[msc]

Molly 2002 fans sympathise but warn it could always get much worse in a hurry.

[asuka007]

Aug 5, 2022 22:41:30 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Aug 5, 2022 22:08:39 GMT -5 xxshoyuweeniexx said:

Honestly nobody likes a flukey champion that just wins with rollups or by sheer dumb luck, see Nikki ASH last year. She's gotta start beating people cleanly like Bianca does cause people can see right through the underdog flukey shit after the initial WOW SHE WON YOU DESERVE IT stuff fades.

The f***ed up thing is, it's only been the matches with Rousey involved that she's "been lucky" since she started getting this push going into Money In The Bank.

First match, RAW before MITB, she fights Bliss. Yes, she wins with a rollup, but in this thread alone we had this post:

Jul 16, 2022 21:49:50 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

I want Liv to use more wins like this. She needs to be booked as a wrestler that has to outsmart the bigger and badder opponents she faces.

Book her like BRET!

And here's the finish from that:



OK, Bliss was hotdogging and grandstanding instead of hitting a DDT, but that's a tight rollup and it wasn't caused by outside interference or distraction. Ring awareness, capitalising on Bliss's mistake.

Second match, six woman tag, boom, Oblivion on Shotzi for the pin. Third match, ladder match, boom, briefcase. Fourth match is cash-in for the belt. Fifth match, tag match, boom, Oblivion to Natalya for the pin. Sixth match, singles against Natalya, boom, Oblivion for the pin. Seventh match, Rousey back involved for a tag, she gets the tapout on Deville after Morgan tries to work the whole match as a handicap to prove she can do it on her own. Eighth match, SummerSlam and... yeah. That's where we're at.

So basically the common denominator in all this is Rousey, and how she apparently need to be protected because everyone's brains will explode if she somehow loses a wrestling match by not being a better wrestler. That's why I think it's more a "protect Rousey" thing than a "hurt Morgan" thing, at least until the PPV match with Baszler.

She also pinned Sasha this year by reversing a pin attempt as well.

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If Shayna cannot get the audience back on Livs side then the experiment is pretty much over atleast as far as being a singles champ is concerned.