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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 19, 2021 11:12:18 GMT -5
I actually don't think this is a hot take, it's a pretty good call. Interest in NXT is waning right now and we'd need to know the contractual details to be certain, but I can't imagine USA is pleased with a show drawing 512K viewers in prime time. Like, I feel there is a real benefit to the idea of viewers being able to see how the sausage gets made so to speak so I've always been happy with the idea of promoting developmental as a show of sorts but TV doesn't really help in doing that and never really did. The bigger concern for USA isn't so much the viewership as much as the demo. Trying to aim young but getting older and older as time goes on, basically making yourself a show old people watch to feel cool? Not a great look. Yeah, I think there may be some merit to maybe pulling the regular TV show and doing a few monthly specials for folks that want to see what's going on in development. Maybe you put NXT on YouTube or something like that. I think part of WWE's problem is that NXT can cause fatigue around some workers. Like yes, Seth's been on the main roster for 9 years, but we've all really been watching him in WWE for 11 given his run in NXT. |
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Post by Dub H on Nov 19, 2021 11:14:14 GMT -5
Bit of walking thoughts here while I went and did some grocery shopping: 1. If everybody has been so outraged by WWE's... well, everything, over the last 20 years or so, how is it that AEW is still behind WWE in viewer numbers? You'd think that the promotion actively trying to give fans what they want would be starting to reap some of the dividends of that at some point in terms of beating WWE's overall numbers on a regular basis, unless either there isn't as much of "everyone" (as in us internet types who have been on here forever talking mess about WWE) as we think there is, or WWE have still got something that people want to see, which then I ask... 2. What actually IS that? I'm not seeing it, but that's just me. I'd say for one, people still won't stop watching WWE. A ton of people in this very thread complain and hate watch weekly and then pop in the AEW thread hyping everything up from bad storylines and promos to amazing matches and it ain't everyone but some people here do do that. When that happens they're still contributing to WWE. Like, it's not like AEW stole these people from WWE, they just gave em more wrestling to watch because they still watch and to the super casual fans they just watch WWE because they take it so light and/or they're not bothered by this stuff so it's cool to them which I can understand. At the end of the day I've learned that no matter how mad people get about WWE they'll still watch it. They'll just be clowning it on the side to mask how they'll still watch. AEW is trying their best and yeah it's helping em but they just need more and they need to somehow actually takr WWE's viewers. It ain't working out as well as i WWE's got that type of loyalty in people that they can piss em off and they'll still watch no matter how much they hate it. AEW, for as great as it is, isn't enough to stop everyone who watches it to sotp watching WWE. I'm sure I'll see some people say "I've stopped watching" but yall ain't the ones in those threads weekly clowning but still giving this company your views. Yeh this is something I see a lot to ,but there was neevr a reason to bring it up. Even saw people that shit on the Blood Money PPV watching it on the thread. That kinda confused me sometimes  But also WWE has 25 years of being the main streams Wrestling show,that shit doesnt disappear easily Why EA sells so well when their games are always re-hashed shit and the Company also has a broken moral compass that tricks kids into gambling? Some things just become the status quo and people dont wanna break it |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Nov 19, 2021 11:15:55 GMT -5
this is why WWE are the way that they are because they know people will keep watching no matter what because people don’t want to watch alternatives. well what happens when all that’s left of the roster are people who can’t even do clotheslines properly I think at this point they would love to do away with audiences and live shows and have everything edited to the point where rookies look like Harts. But audiences and live shows are what get them those inflated sports tv deals. Yes, this was one perk of the Thunderdome era, I think. Not that I want to go back to that, for many reasons. As for the post you replied to...I don't begrudge WWE fans/loyal watchers. I don't begrudge people who like to watch AEW, et al. I just more and more don't see modern wrestling as satisfying my interest in the business myself. I prefer to YouTube or DVD the wrestling *I* remember. Maybe even the eras before then. Or the stuff I missed out on the first time. At least I seldom have to worry about unpleasant news/surprises or social media talk on par with debating politics*. I just want to remember back when I had fun with this, before other people harassing each other and myself with their opinions and all that. And before I had to worry about what unjust thing goes on behind the scenes. * Who am I kidding, everything involves debating that now. Probably even wrestling. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 19, 2021 11:18:36 GMT -5
Hit Row being released is proof perfect that you can’t trust the company to do right by you even if they seem high on you.
I was certain they were going to get a huge push on the main roster with the amount of time they got in NXT. Now they’re gone. Nox is another one. She just recently got a tag title shot and then was in the midst of a breakup angle/feud with her former partner. Now, she’s not even on the roster.
I honestly have no idea how anyone who is not in the top tier of the company stays at this point. If there are no solid plans for you for the next few months leading to Mania? You’re in the chopping block. Even if you’re on TV every week.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 19, 2021 11:18:38 GMT -5
I'd say for one, people still won't stop watching WWE. A ton of people in this very thread complain and hate watch weekly and then pop in the AEW thread hyping everything up from bad storylines and promos to amazing matches and it ain't everyone but some people here do do that. When that happens they're still contributing to WWE. Like, it's not like AEW stole these people from WWE, they just gave em more wrestling to watch because they still watch and to the super casual fans they just watch WWE because they take it so light and/or they're not bothered by this stuff so it's cool to them which I can understand. At the end of the day I've learned that no matter how mad people get about WWE they'll still watch it. They'll just be clowning it on the side to mask how they'll still watch. AEW is trying their best and yeah it's helping em but they just need more and they need to somehow actually takr WWE's viewers. It ain't working out as well as i WWE's got that type of loyalty in people that they can piss em off and they'll still watch no matter how much they hate it. AEW, for as great as it is, isn't enough to stop everyone who watches it to sotp watching WWE. I'm sure I'll see some people say "I've stopped watching" but yall ain't the ones in those threads weekly clowning but still giving this company your views. Yeh this is something I see a lot to ,but there was neevr a reason to bring it up. Even saw people that shit on the Blood Money PPV watching it on the thread. That kinda confused me sometimes But also WWE has 25 years of being the main streams Wrestling show,that shit doesnt disappear easily Why EA sells so well when their games are always re-hashed shit and the Company also has a broken moral compass that tricks kids into gambling? Some things just become the status quo and people dont wanna break it It's like that time Activision (another morally bankrupt company in the news lately) made a really unpopular decision that made people create a Boycott Call of Duty group. And every single person on the group was playing the new CoD on Day 1 despite that.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 19, 2021 11:20:22 GMT -5
Yeh this is something I see a lot to ,but there was neevr a reason to bring it up. Even saw people that shit on the Blood Money PPV watching it on the thread. That kinda confused me sometimes But also WWE has 25 years of being the main streams Wrestling show,that shit doesnt disappear easily Why EA sells so well when their games are always re-hashed shit and the Company also has a broken moral compass that tricks kids into gambling? Some things just become the status quo and people dont wanna break it It's like that time Activision (another morally bankrupt company in the news lately) made a really unpopular decision that made people create a Boycott Call of Duty group. And every single person on the group was playing the new CoD on Day 1 despite that. Well at very least it is finally biting Activision in the butt, all their awful decisions and morality, but boy did it take A LOT,it seems ever since the "You guys dont have a phone?" debacle it just got worse and worse and worses.I have no regrets abandoning Overwatch. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 11:21:45 GMT -5
I'd say for one, people still won't stop watching WWE. A ton of people in this very thread complain and hate watch weekly and then pop in the AEW thread hyping everything up from bad storylines and promos to amazing matches and it ain't everyone but some people here do do that. When that happens they're still contributing to WWE. Like, it's not like AEW stole these people from WWE, they just gave em more wrestling to watch because they still watch and to the super casual fans they just watch WWE because they take it so light and/or they're not bothered by this stuff so it's cool to them which I can understand. At the end of the day I've learned that no matter how mad people get about WWE they'll still watch it. They'll just be clowning it on the side to mask how they'll still watch. AEW is trying their best and yeah it's helping em but they just need more and they need to somehow actually takr WWE's viewers. It ain't working out as well as i WWE's got that type of loyalty in people that they can piss em off and they'll still watch no matter how much they hate it. AEW, for as great as it is, isn't enough to stop everyone who watches it to sotp watching WWE. I'm sure I'll see some people say "I've stopped watching" but yall ain't the ones in those threads weekly clowning but still giving this company your views. Yeh this is something I see a lot to ,but there was neevr a reason to bring it up. Even saw people that shit on the Blood Money PPV watching it on the thread. That kinda confused me sometimes But also WWE has 25 years of being the main streams Wrestling show,that shit doesnt disappear easily Why EA sells so well when their games are always re-hashed shit and the Company also has a broken moral compass that tricks kids into gambling? Some things just become the status quo and people dont wanna break it That EA comparison is so true. For all the crapping on a Madden each year people still spend the full amount day 1. EDIT: And Activation as stated. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 19, 2021 11:40:05 GMT -5
Yeh this is something I see a lot to ,but there was neevr a reason to bring it up. Even saw people that shit on the Blood Money PPV watching it on the thread. That kinda confused me sometimes But also WWE has 25 years of being the main streams Wrestling show,that shit doesnt disappear easily Why EA sells so well when their games are always re-hashed shit and the Company also has a broken moral compass that tricks kids into gambling? Some things just become the status quo and people dont wanna break it That EA comparison is so true. For all the crapping on a Madden each year people still spend the full amount day 1. EDIT: And Activation as stated. how many people like that are paying for it and then following that up with some kind of loyalty that pays off to WWE? shows ike Blood Money are funny to watch because of the spectacle of immorality and waste of money. It's much more fun as a fan to be able to watch HHH and HBK age in real time during a match with Kane/Taker that wouldnt be out of place on a SMW house show and shit talk it with other people. Watching/discussion isn't always support with wrestling. |
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Post by fw91 on Nov 19, 2021 11:40:51 GMT -5
Hit Row surprises me but I guess Top Dolla’s tweets didn’t sit well with management
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 19, 2021 11:44:47 GMT -5
So if Hit Row were put on 90 day no-compete clauses, then they will spend longer on ice than they did on the main roster, and that feels like a pretty big sign something is inherently broken with this system
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 11:49:45 GMT -5
That EA comparison is so true. For all the crapping on a Madden each year people still spend the full amount day 1. EDIT: And Activation as stated. how many people like that are paying for it and then following that up with some kind of loyalty that pays off to WWE? shows ike Blood Money are funny to watch because of the spectacle of immorality and waste of money. It's much more fun as a fan to be able to watch HHH and HBK age in real time during a match with Kane/Taker that wouldnt be out of place on a SMW house show and shit talk it with other people. Watching/discussion isn't always support with wrestling. That's just contributing to WWE's current place even if you say you hate it. You can't say "I can't believe WWE is still here and thriving, like why haven't they fallen" when you're turning to these shows giving them the fuel they use to continue. That's counterproductive. That "hey I'm shit-talking it I don't like it man" stuff doesn't really hold any weight when companies use that as a plus for them.
It's the old "I don't care if you cheer me, I don't care if you boo me as long as you give a reaction" thing. Laughing and saying you hate it, jokin about it is giving them a reaction. It's support.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 19, 2021 11:52:34 GMT -5
Hit Row surprises me but I guess Top Dolla’s tweets didn’t sit well with management I acknowledge there's absolutely no way to know until more trickles out from reporters/Hit Row themselves, but I highly doubt this was due to Top Dolla's tweets. There are plenty of other shitposters in WWE. |
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Post by fw91 on Nov 19, 2021 11:53:35 GMT -5
Hit Row surprises me but I guess Top Dolla’s tweets didn’t sit well with management I acknowledge there's absolutely no way to know until more trickles out from reporters/Hit Row themselves, but I highly doubt this was due to Top Dolla's tweets. There are plenty of other shitposters in WWE. Idk, didn’t Vince see Top Dolla as a potential singles star? He wouldn’t give up so soon on a pet project |
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Post by msc on Nov 19, 2021 11:56:21 GMT -5
Oh FFS... How do you miss on Swerve? This is all just shite. There are no words, tbh. WWE is a performance art exhibit about dementia. tbh I think the King is f***ed, the wanted heir was useless, the unwanted heir got thrown out at the first excuse and the Iagos are in full control of all but the name. Most of this year I assumed this was a case of "so you're good at fixing grudges, fix these" when HHH took over by being last man standing in about 10-15 years time. But I think he's done with that heart attack, which means WWE as we know is pretty much done for the long term. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 11:56:30 GMT -5
I acknowledge there's absolutely no way to know until more trickles out from reporters/Hit Row themselves, but I highly doubt this was due to Top Dolla's tweets. There are plenty of other shitposters in WWE. Idk, didn’t Vince see Top Dolla as a potential singles star? He wouldn’t give up so soon on a pet project I mean Kross was that too. Same with Keith Lee, same with Black who was about to have a Summerslam match with Big E, same with Wyatt who they had plans for, same with Strowman... He doesn't care. |
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Post by fw91 on Nov 19, 2021 11:57:32 GMT -5
Idk, didn’t Vince see Top Dolla as a potential singles star? He wouldn’t give up so soon on a pet project I mean Kross was that too. Same with Keith Lee, same with Black who was about to have a Summerslam match with Big E, same with Wyatt who they had plans for, same with Strowman... He doesn't care. That’s fair |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 19, 2021 11:57:59 GMT -5
I acknowledge there's absolutely no way to know until more trickles out from reporters/Hit Row themselves, but I highly doubt this was due to Top Dolla's tweets. There are plenty of other shitposters in WWE. Idk, didn’t Vince see Top Dolla as a potential singles star? He wouldn’t give up so soon on a pet project Regardless, I don't think they just cut bait with somebody like that so quickly. I think this is just a matter of them having a shorter leash with some of the NXT call-ups. They would have just fired Top Dolla and I don't think you'd see Swerve and Ashantee being as chummy with him on social over the last 24 hours if he essentially cost them their jobs. |
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Post by fw91 on Nov 19, 2021 11:59:33 GMT -5
Btw… rosters thinning out, will the brand split end?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 19, 2021 12:01:42 GMT -5
I acknowledge there's absolutely no way to know until more trickles out from reporters/Hit Row themselves, but I highly doubt this was due to Top Dolla's tweets. There are plenty of other shitposters in WWE. Idk, didn’t Vince see Top Dolla as a potential singles star? He wouldn’t give up so soon on a pet project Vince gives up on pet projects constantly. Top Dolla is probably the thousandth guy who's come in with "Vince sees them as a big deal" stories whose push lasts a few weeks at best. |
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