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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 19, 2021 12:05:39 GMT -5
how many people like that are paying for it and then following that up with some kind of loyalty that pays off to WWE? shows ike Blood Money are funny to watch because of the spectacle of immorality and waste of money. It's much more fun as a fan to be able to watch HHH and HBK age in real time during a match with Kane/Taker that wouldnt be out of place on a SMW house show and shit talk it with other people. Watching/discussion isn't always support with wrestling. That's just contributing to WWE's current place even if you say you hate it. You can't say "I can't believe WWE is still here and thriving, like why haven't they fallen" when you're turning to these shows giving them the fuel they use to continue. That's counterproductive. That "hey I'm shit-talking it I don't like it man" stuff doesn't really hold any weight when companies use that as a plus for them.
It's the old "I don't care if you cheer me, I don't care if you boo me as long as you give a reaction" thing. Laughing and saying you hate it, jokin about it is giving them a reaction. It's support.
I still dont agree but I can understand. That felt like it was true at one point but the past few years has been full of people who were told "see you next Monday" over and over again who finally stopped coming back. I don't know that the any reacton is a good reaction stuff flies any more either if you think about the level of interest for any non Mania PPV, any weekly TV show. The RAW thread only made it to 39 pages this week too or something didn't it? They still have a lot of people for life no matter what but that's less of a 'gotcha' when the overall interest in the product is asleep. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Nov 19, 2021 12:06:59 GMT -5
Btw… rosters thinning out, will the brand split end? It won’t. They’ll just use the same dozen wrestlers they use on each show every week like they always do. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 19, 2021 12:07:38 GMT -5
Idk, didn’t Vince see Top Dolla as a potential singles star? He wouldn’t give up so soon on a pet project Vince gives up on pet projects constantly. Top Dolla is probably the thousandth guy who's come in with "Vince sees them as a big deal" stories whose push lasts a few weeks at best.  |
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Post by ayumidah on Nov 19, 2021 12:10:30 GMT -5
the new JTG lol
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 19, 2021 12:11:54 GMT -5
Btw… rosters thinning out, will the brand split end? It won’t. They’ll just use the same dozen wrestlers they use on each show every week like they always do. Also, can’t really picture the networks being happy about not having anyone exclusive to their brand. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Nov 19, 2021 12:15:39 GMT -5
It won’t. They’ll just use the same dozen wrestlers they use on each show every week like they always do. Also, can’t really picture the networks being happy about not having anyone exclusive to their brand. Has there ever been any scuttlebutt about what the networks think of all these cuts? Anything I ever hear of network/WWE dialogue is vague “Make the show better” stuff, but you’d think they’d have an opinion on how the people they’re paying hundreds of millions of dollars to each year keep arbitrarily firing cast members at regular intervals. |
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Post by pinja on Nov 19, 2021 12:17:48 GMT -5
I fully await WWE to be in Saudi Arabia next time, firing people on the spot, not letting them on the plane back because they are not under contract.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 19, 2021 12:20:49 GMT -5
Idk, didn’t Vince see Top Dolla as a potential singles star? He wouldn’t give up so soon on a pet project Vince gives up on pet projects constantly. Top Dolla is probably the thousandth guy who's come in with "Vince sees them as a big deal" stories whose push lasts a few weeks at best. And this goes triple for big dudes. The line is always that Vince loves hosses, but he gets bored of them in record time just to get obsessed with yet another one. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 19, 2021 12:22:08 GMT -5
Also, can’t really picture the networks being happy about not having anyone exclusive to their brand. Has there ever been any scuttlebutt about what the networks think of all these cuts? Anything I ever hear of network/WWE dialogue is vague “Make the show better” stuff, but you’d think they’d have an opinion on how the people they’re paying hundreds of millions of dollars to each year keep arbitrarily firing cast members at regular intervals. If I remember right, there was, but only about Bray, where Fox wasn't happy that WWE cut a dude who was part of the 'here's the stars your network gets' package. |
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Post by CeilingFan on Nov 19, 2021 12:22:53 GMT -5
Oh FFS... How do you miss on Swerve? This is all just shite. There are no words, tbh. WWE is a performance art exhibit about dementia. tbh I think the King is f***ed, the wanted heir was useless, the unwanted heir got thrown out at the first excuse and the Iagos are in full control of all but the name. Does this mean that Big E is Othello? |
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Post by john84 on Nov 19, 2021 12:24:38 GMT -5
Vince gives up on pet projects constantly. Top Dolla is probably the thousandth guy who's come in with "Vince sees them as a big deal" stories whose push lasts a few weeks at best. And this goes triple for big dudes. The line is always that Vince loves hosses, but he gets bored of them in record time just to get obsessed with yet another one. Vince: There can only be one hoss...  Vince, why is your head bouncing back and forth...  (Replace Heenan with Vince) |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 19, 2021 12:27:27 GMT -5
Has there ever been any scuttlebutt about what the networks think of all these cuts? Anything I ever hear of network/WWE dialogue is vague “Make the show better” stuff, but you’d think they’d have an opinion on how the people they’re paying hundreds of millions of dollars to each year keep arbitrarily firing cast members at regular intervals. If I remember right, there was, but only about Bray, where Fox wasn't happy that WWE cut a dude who was part of the 'here's the stars your network gets' package. Fox apparently wasn't thrilled with Adam Cole not being resigned as they wanted him on Smackdown |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 19, 2021 12:29:41 GMT -5
Hit Row surprises me but I guess Top Dolla’s tweets didn’t sit well with management I acknowledge there's absolutely no way to know until more trickles out from reporters/Hit Row themselves, but I highly doubt this was due to Top Dolla's tweets. There are plenty of other shitposters in WWE. It might not have been due to his tweets but Meltzer reported this in the Observer - "While he came across well on television, he rubbed a ton of people the wrong way in NXT and was getting the same reputation on the main roster" |
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 19, 2021 13:17:01 GMT -5
He'd probably get a severance package, if so. Employees have it better than the contractors. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if he were hired back on explicitly to be the harbinger during this culling period. Remember we went about a year to the date between bulk firings from 2020 to 2021. Now suddenly we've got a handful of releases just about every other month this year. |
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Post by Perd on Nov 19, 2021 13:36:16 GMT -5
WWE really is fascinating. Too bad that it’s almost entirely in deplorable ways. Just from an on-screen standpoint, they seem to focus exclusively on things tha really don’t matter. It’s about making sure you get the tag line in. It’s about saying “this” word and not “that” word. It’s about directing everything towards the hard camera. It’s about everything except making the shows entertaining and covherent. The Hit Row thing is a prime example. You call them up, make them part of the draft, and have commentary expound on what a HUGE get they were for Smackdown. When the truth is, they don’t have any idea what to do with them. And that’s, sadly, a tale that all too familiar. They’ve tightened the grip on the reins, but didn’t notice the horse is dead.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 19, 2021 14:01:31 GMT -5
He'd probably get a severance package, if so. Employees have it better than the contractors. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if he were hired back on explicitly to be the harbinger during this culling period. Remember we went about a year to the date between bulk firings from 2020 to 2021. Now suddenly we've got a handful of releases just about every other month this year. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Ace was brought back to be the bad guy again, and take some of the heat as the messenger. When the person behind all of this is Vince, potentially with Khan pointing out how much they'd ave in cutting someone but again the buck stops with Vince. |
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Post by clifford on Nov 19, 2021 14:03:07 GMT -5
Btw… rosters thinning out, will the brand split end? Of everyone released in the last few months, how many are regularly featured on tv every week? Nick Khan just wanted to save on catering...that's the REAL budget cuts. |
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Post by rocket on Nov 19, 2021 14:12:08 GMT -5
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 19, 2021 14:35:23 GMT -5
Of everyone released in the last few months, how many are regularly featured on tv every week? Are you kidding? Save for a small few, just about EVERYONE released were in the middle of active feuds on TV. Take your pick: Keith Lee, Karrion Kross, ALL of Hit Row, Aleister Black (weeks of promos leading to a single attack on Big E), even freaking Nia Jax could be argued as "regularly featured" up to her release. There is no justification on most releases, and featured use is not considered even a bit in this process. Again, NOBODY is safe, even Main Eventers. |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 19, 2021 14:36:25 GMT -5
I acknowledge there's absolutely no way to know until more trickles out from reporters/Hit Row themselves, but I highly doubt this was due to Top Dolla's tweets. There are plenty of other shitposters in WWE. It might not have been due to his tweets but Meltzer reported this in the Observer - "While he came across well on television, he rubbed a ton of people the wrong way in NXT and was getting the same reputation on the main roster" I mentioned this in another thread, but I think this is where Top Dolla being an NFL guy who never did anything in wrestling before coming to WWE hurt his perception, too. Wrestling's a tight knit community. While we're hopefully past the "pay your dues" bullshit with this new generation, when you're seen as the outsider talking shit about people in the business a lot of people respect, it doesn't make you look good.
That said, I doubt it had anything to do with his firing because I doubt Vince cares about that one way or another. It just goes to show how foolish it is to be Company Guy for a company that doesn't give a damn about you. Just hope it doesn't hurt his chances to find employment elsewhere if he wants to continue in the business. Or if it does, he can put aside any ego to try and mend fences.
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