WWE Releases: Pandemic to Now - Last Updated 29/04/22

[Lance Uppercut]

Jan 7, 2022 0:45:57 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Jan 7, 2022 0:41:11 GMT -5 Lance Uppercut said:

I was listening to a podcast today and they said something telling

“This feels like a coup… now this like they’re trying to prevent a coup” in regards to replacing everyone from the hhh era. Man, triple was grooming all these guys to replace Vince’s cronies and the minute he’s out of power, all of Vince’s people are put back or the people in line to replace them are axed.

An 80 year old man refuses to admit having a succession plan is a good idea and actively shits in the guy that tried to make one...

Either that or he’s leaving the new owners to deal with all these losers after he sells

Maybe he’s like “regal, joe, you don’t want to be here when these new guys take over. Move on”

[Gawk Rivers]

Every moment that a wrestling company isn't paying Samoa Joe to just do Samoa Joe stuff is a travesty.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

I think the saddest part about the latest wave of releases is that we can't really say that the talent will land on their feet the same way we could a year ago. AEW can't hire everyone. Impact and MLW clearly have limited budgets and can't take on a lot of people. The NWA barely has anyone under full time contract and seems like it's always on life support. The indies are there but are certainly not thriving. New Japan doesn't have a giant presence in the US market right now and travel restrictions making working abroad difficult right now. And worst of all, ROH as we knew it is gone. It's a rough market if you're not a top name right now and some of these folks might have to leave the business because of it just to ensure they can make ends meet.

[Fade]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.ringsidenews.com/2021/06/29/samoa-joe-down-for-a-match-against-walter/

From this last Summer:

“Karrion Kross and Pete Dunne are at the top of that list. A guy like WALTER, people have been asking for it, I’m not blind. It’s for good reason. The guy is a powerhouse and people want to see some furniture moving.

[Lizuka #BLM]

Alvarez apparently said that WWE's going to overhaul NXT's roster every few months to cull everyone they don't think could headline Mania one day. Assuming that's the actual plan and not just him speculating, that sounds like it'd rapidly completely destroy the show being even vaguely coherent or fans bothering to care about anyone there.

[Daddy Demented]

Jan 7, 2022 0:58:36 GMT -5 Gawk Rivers said:

Every moment that a wrestling company isn't paying Samoa Joe to just do Samoa Joe stuff is a travesty.

[Mecca]

Jan 7, 2022 1:21:26 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Alvarez apparently said that WWE's going to overhaul NXT's roster every few months to cull everyone they don't think could headline Mania one day. Assuming that's the actual plan and not just him speculating, that sounds like it'd rapidly completely destroy the show being even vaguely coherent or fans bothering to care about anyone there.

I could easily see that. They're basically going to fast track people through training and NXT. This allows them to put cheaper talent on the main roster with a few corner stones.

I think the idea is they'll know in 5 minutes if you'll make it on the main. There won't be anymore NXT mainstays etc.

[Andew9001]

I mean are we absolutely sure Nick and Tony aren't related? I mean are we positive? Not even like third cousins or something?

I mean it would make a lot of sense

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

"If you think the grass is greener over there, go main event night 4 of the buy one get one free extravaganza! And then get released!"

I have to think there was some legit feelings coming out of CM Punk when he said that line, and for good reason. This was before one of his known closest friends got released a second time in Joe, mind you...

[Mozenrath]

Jan 7, 2022 1:21:26 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Alvarez apparently said that WWE's going to overhaul NXT's roster every few months to cull everyone they don't think could headline Mania one day. Assuming that's the actual plan and not just him speculating, that sounds like it'd rapidly completely destroy the show being even vaguely coherent or fans bothering to care about anyone there.

Yeah, that's been Alvarez's thoughts on it for a while, and presumably some within NXT seeing it that way. Like, I get that WWE doesn't want to end up with their Brodus Clay or Ron Waterman types who are in developmental for what seems like a decade and never make a return on the investment, but it sounds like they're going radically in the other direction out of the idea of the PC and NXT being huge money losers, since they group them together and the PC was never meant to be a money maker because that as a business model makes no goddamn sense.

[Fake Jesus]

The real question is what Levesque does with this. Maybe, probably, his heart attack has changed him, but Triple H is bar none one of the most ambitious, driven people to ever enter wrestling. At one stage he wouldn't have taken this lying down. No one can blame him if he does now, but man, I just wonder. He has the skills to go NOAH style, he has the ability to get the resources, he had the team, he has the track record. To a network Triple H's wrestling show probably sounds like an attractive proposition, would probably do about what Warner earmarked AEW for. Smark fantasy? Yeah, but it would be nice to see.

[Andew9001]

Upon reflection the big disconnect with NXT and the main roster was always that the guys NXT built up were mostly wasted once they got called up. For every Braun there was a Neville. For every Charlotte there was an Emma. For every Big E there was a Bo Dallas. And then you had ones who broke through and had success but not nearly as much as they should have had like Sami, Owens, Shinsuke and Asuka. It really makes one wonder why they bothered signing all these indy darlings for NXT if they had no real plans or even if they fit the WWE mold. I'm not saying they never created stars but the ones who were a big deal in NXT that weren't successful on main are at minimum 2/1 if not more.

You saw with guys like The Undisputed Era and Gargano who never made it out of "developement" despite being there for years even though they were good enough to be on main. The same applies to the likes of Io, Ciampa and Dunne and who knows if they will make it out.

If they really wanted NXT to work as a 3rd brand, with the heavy indy roster and the management they had it needed to be a proper 3rd brand. Gone touring, had titles defended on Mania and Summerslam and gotten more than just some surprise Rumble appearances and kept the momentum going after Survivor Series.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that moving the developement brand more in line with what Raw and Smackdown are now actually makes sense. At least the wrestlers they will be creating will hopefully fit the mold better. I don't think that's a good thing though given who's been put in charge.

NXT was a great show to watch. I've been very lucky to have been able to go to 2 Takeovers and both were amazing shows. What's happened to NXT is devastating. It hasn't been gutted as much as they've just replaced the whole damn thing. A lot of really talented wrestlers, trainers and agents who could have molded the future of the company are now gone. It's going to be very interesting in 6 months time what the whole wrestling landscape looks like.

[Ryushinku]

I'd like to congratulate Samoa Joe for re-signing with the WWE next week, then being let go the week after that.

[Gelatinous Parasite]

Jan 7, 2022 1:21:26 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Alvarez apparently said that WWE's going to overhaul NXT's roster every few months to cull everyone they don't think could headline Mania one day. Assuming that's the actual plan and not just him speculating, that sounds like it'd rapidly completely destroy the show being even vaguely coherent or fans bothering to care about anyone there.

If that's true, what an odd way to run a wrestling company. There are plenty of huge names from over the years who were incredibly successful and made the company a lot of money who were unlikely to main event a PPV, let alone WrestleMania.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Jan 7, 2022 1:21:26 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Alvarez apparently said that WWE's going to overhaul NXT's roster every few months to cull everyone they don't think could headline Mania one day. Assuming that's the actual plan and not just him speculating, that sounds like it'd rapidly completely destroy the show being even vaguely coherent or fans bothering to care about anyone there.

Cull everybody they don't think could headline a Mania?

That's a terrible approach to take. Even avoiding the ethics, it doesn't work in sports and won't work in wrestling. You can't have the philosophy that you only want top stars, because you won't succeed. You've gotta have role players/mid carders and job guys, those are the guys who you win with. In wrestling you gotta have people who excel at making their opponents look great. Koko B Ware and Tito Santana were JTTS, but Vince needed them, they were over and could make their opponents look great.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jan 7, 2022 1:21:26 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Alvarez apparently said that WWE's going to overhaul NXT's roster every few months to cull everyone they don't think could headline Mania one day. Assuming that's the actual plan and not just him speculating, that sounds like it'd rapidly completely destroy the show being even vaguely coherent or fans bothering to care about anyone there.

That tracks because look at their attitude for measuring stars on the main roster. You come up, you get one chance to succeed, and if you don't you're probably not getting a second look. And all they want is big stars so if you won't be a big star you have no place, bye bye. Even though the very few genuine successes of great workers the performance center spat out still needed some time to get that good, like Bianca going for years before her main roster debut, they're going to start moving people up too fast, watching them crash and burn because they aren't ready, decide if they aren't ready now they never will be, and they'll get thrown out. Those college athletes they're courting? Unless one of them is a Kurt Angle type they're f***ed, and you can't bank on just finding a roster full of Kurt Angles. Nick Khan doesn't like the spending on training but Vince is obsessed with home-grown talent becoming megastars because he now believes that's actually how his company worked in the past, so this is the compromise you get. A bunch of half-trained wrestlers who are going to be chucked into the meat grinder and thrown out onto prime time network television before they're ready and then all getting shed, and somehow everyone is supposed to see this as the system working as planned.

[CeilingFan]

Is this  the longest thread in FAN History?

[mistery]

That honestly feels more like Bryan speculating more than anything. Because if they are going to cull everyone who won't headline a WM, then you may as well cut every single person on that show outside of Bron and then shutter it. Because outside of Bron (and maybe Io for their token diversity push), there is absolutely nobody who I can see main eventing a Mania on NXT right now.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Jan 7, 2022 6:15:55 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

Is this  the longest thread in FAN History?

Gotta think that one of the 18 hour Manias has it beat.

If we didn't have that period of time where threads were locked and a new one had to be made after 30 pages, Benoit would have the record.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 7, 2022 6:15:55 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

Is this  the longest thread in FAN History?

i am pretty sure Mania 30 hit like 500 pages or close to it, for good reason.