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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2021 2:04:33 GMT -5
That letter likely just gives them ammunition to fire people if/when the suit gets dropped and they come out of it fine.
It absolutely easier said then fine but these people need to unionize. Now being the best time because they have enough headaches as a company as is.
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Post by castletonsnob on Jul 27, 2021 7:55:13 GMT -5
I watched the Jimquisition episode about Activision-Blizzard. Just burn the gaming industry to the ground, like how people used to burn houses to get rid of the plague. I really don't give a shit anymore.
And this isn't even about "cancel culture" or "being woke". This is about basic goddamn human decency.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 27, 2021 12:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2021 12:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 27, 2021 12:28:33 GMT -5
This is the sort of thing I like to see.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 27, 2021 19:37:28 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 28, 2021 7:29:04 GMT -5
Bumping this because the strikes are today. Activision Blizzard said they're offering paid time off for those who take the strike which basically means they can strike for as long as they want to until change comes. Well done!
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jul 28, 2021 14:32:26 GMT -5
Bumping this because the strikes are today. Activision Blizzard said they're offering paid time off for those who take the strike which basically means they can strike for as long as they want to until change comes. Well done! I read this as "we ain't changing shit so get comfy."
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 28, 2021 15:09:11 GMT -5
Bumping this because the strikes are today. Activision Blizzard said they're offering paid time off for those who take the strike which basically means they can strike for as long as they want to until change comes. Well done! I read this as "we ain't changing shit so get comfy." Oh, likely. The other approach I saw was that “You can take this but if you do, we’re going to fire your ass the first opportunity we get when the state government is off our back”.
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Jul 28, 2021 16:41:58 GMT -5
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jul 29, 2021 8:23:20 GMT -5
I've played WoW for over 10 years, and this was the last straw for me. From Bellular, to Taliesin, to Hazelnutty, to Preach I've been following this like a hawk.
Following in the footsteps of Madseasonshow, WillE, and to a lesser degree Preach, I stopped playing, and I didn't renew my sub, which ironically came up at the end of the month.
But I have been enjoying FFXIV for the past couple months, and having watched a ton of documentaries on them which has endeared me even more, so I may just jump ship full time.
WoW = WWE/Vince McMahon = we know what you like, you like what we say you like FFXIV = AEW/TonyKhan = we listen to the fans, make our product for the fans, and pivot accordingly
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Post by Spider2024 on Jul 29, 2021 8:52:12 GMT -5
Amazing what is said when you're being sued by a government commission. "Here's the number to the hotel room you can all meet me in:"
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 29, 2021 9:42:43 GMT -5
J. Allen Brack should be fired over this. He clearly knew this was going on and enabled it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 29, 2021 11:27:17 GMT -5
If he falls on his sword, it'll turn out he's left with millions in a golden parachute and an NDA, with VC funding waiting for a new studio and he will lose little and learn nothing.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 29, 2021 12:07:15 GMT -5
I've played WoW for over 10 years, and this was the last straw for me. From Bellular, to Taliesin, to Hazelnutty, to Preach I've been following this like a hawk. Following in the footsteps of Madseasonshow, WillE, and to a lesser degree Preach, I stopped playing, and I didn't renew my sub, which ironically came up at the end of the month. But I have been enjoying FFXIV for the past couple months, and having watched a ton of documentaries on them which has endeared me even more, so I may just jump ship full time. WoW = WWE/Vince McMahon = we know what you like, you like what we say you like FFXIV = AEW/TonyKhan = we listen to the fans, make our product for the fans, and pivot accordingly I haven't watched any of the WoW talking heads' videos about this. I had already stopped playing WoW because Shadowlands was stuck in patch purgatory and the story stuff they were pulling in 9.1 sounds really horrible. Blizzard, and WoW in particular, has a pretty lousy reputation for how it treats its female characters and I can't help but think art imitates life in this case. In the wake of this lawsuit, the WoW team put out a cutscene just this week where the message of the whole thing is that Tyrande is wrong to seek justice for the literal genocide of her people. All so they can seemingly give the perpetrator of that genocide, Sylvanas, a forced redemption arc that not only feels like an illogical cop-out, but none of the fanbase outside of the most hardcore Sylvanas stans wants. It's amazing how disconnected and tone-deaf this company is that in the middle of a lawsuit alleging horrific abuses, that they release a cutscene that features outright victim-blaming and framing her as wrong in the narrative. It makes J. Allen Brack's mealymouthed apology come off all the more fraudulent.
You know, giving it some thought, a lot of the companies named in these sexual harassment and abuse allegations have a reputation for treating their female characters poorly, whether that's in-game (Rockstar) or through marketing or excuses for exclusion (Ubisoft).
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jul 29, 2021 19:36:10 GMT -5
I've played WoW for over 10 years, and this was the last straw for me. From Bellular, to Taliesin, to Hazelnutty, to Preach I've been following this like a hawk. Following in the footsteps of Madseasonshow, WillE, and to a lesser degree Preach, I stopped playing, and I didn't renew my sub, which ironically came up at the end of the month. But I have been enjoying FFXIV for the past couple months, and having watched a ton of documentaries on them which has endeared me even more, so I may just jump ship full time. WoW = WWE/Vince McMahon = we know what you like, you like what we say you like FFXIV = AEW/TonyKhan = we listen to the fans, make our product for the fans, and pivot accordingly I haven't watched any of the WoW talking heads' videos about this. I had already stopped playing WoW because Shadowlands was stuck in patch purgatory and the story stuff they were pulling in 9.1 sounds really horrible. Blizzard, and WoW in particular, has a pretty lousy reputation for how it treats its female characters and I can't help but think art imitates life in this case. In the wake of this lawsuit, the WoW team put out a cutscene just this week where the message of the whole thing is that Tyrande is wrong to seek justice for the literal genocide of her people. All so they can seemingly give the perpetrator of that genocide, Sylvanas, a forced redemption arc that not only feels like an illogical cop-out, but none of the fanbase outside of the most hardcore Sylvanas stans wants. It's amazing how disconnected and tone-deaf this company is that in the middle of a lawsuit alleging horrific abuses, that they release a cutscene that features outright victim-blaming and framing her as wrong in the narrative. It makes J. Allen Brack's mealymouthed apology come off all the more fraudulent. You know, giving it some thought, a lot of the companies named in these sexual harassment and abuse allegations have a reputation for treating their female characters poorly, whether that's in-game (Rockstar) or through marketing or excuses for exclusion (Ubisoft).
I stuck with WoW as long as I did because of the lore, I'm a huge lore nerd, and will watch 2-3 hour long videos from people like Nobbel just to absorb it. I was invested going in because Sylvanas USED to be my favorite character in all of Warcraft, I love me a good anti-hero, and her back story was awesome. That is until she decimated an entire people, and that was just hard to watch. Especially as a horde player, it was like "okay so there's no shades of grey now" with Alliance and Horde. But I was intrigued what they were going to do with her in spite of saying even then that it was a mistake to make her the big bad. She's just too popular, and there's no way the writers can do a GRR Martin and kill her off in a holy shit fashion that would do her justice, but also make you think no one is safe. Then they do this "giving her soul back" thing, and on paper I get it, but it's lazy as hell (kinda fits in with everything else huh?) and that cinematic fell flat for me like it did most people. Then we look back to where it started, the purpose for burning it all down led us to this, and we're suppose to believe that The Jailer is responsible for everything going back to Wrath??? That's some Saw movie levels of retconning your plot to fit a forced narrative in. Next we'll find out that John Kramer was the one who taught The Jailer all along. I could go on, but yeah, between the allegations, and what the real sealing the deal was their f***ing response letter (which was tone deaf and gross) I was like "f*** off". They told us years ago "you don't want that, trust me you don't want that" and in the end they were right. A woman literally took her own life because of how she was treated, and they're being all "nah" about it. It's astounding.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 29, 2021 19:39:29 GMT -5
I've played Blizzard Games with regularity since Warcraft 2 on my shitty Compaq in Highschool. I just cancelled my WoW sub. For the first time in forever I have nothing preordered and no active subs.
They lost me.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 29, 2021 19:52:40 GMT -5
I haven't watched any of the WoW talking heads' videos about this. I had already stopped playing WoW because Shadowlands was stuck in patch purgatory and the story stuff they were pulling in 9.1 sounds really horrible. Blizzard, and WoW in particular, has a pretty lousy reputation for how it treats its female characters and I can't help but think art imitates life in this case. In the wake of this lawsuit, the WoW team put out a cutscene just this week where the message of the whole thing is that Tyrande is wrong to seek justice for the literal genocide of her people. All so they can seemingly give the perpetrator of that genocide, Sylvanas, a forced redemption arc that not only feels like an illogical cop-out, but none of the fanbase outside of the most hardcore Sylvanas stans wants. It's amazing how disconnected and tone-deaf this company is that in the middle of a lawsuit alleging horrific abuses, that they release a cutscene that features outright victim-blaming and framing her as wrong in the narrative. It makes J. Allen Brack's mealymouthed apology come off all the more fraudulent. You know, giving it some thought, a lot of the companies named in these sexual harassment and abuse allegations have a reputation for treating their female characters poorly, whether that's in-game (Rockstar) or through marketing or excuses for exclusion (Ubisoft).
I stuck with WoW as long as I did because of the lore, I'm a huge lore nerd, and will watch 2-3 hour long videos from people like Nobbel just to absorb it. I was invested going in because Sylvanas USED to be my favorite character in all of Warcraft, I love me a good anti-hero, and her back story was awesome. That is until she decimated an entire people, and that was just hard to watch. Especially as a horde player, it was like "okay so there's no shades of grey now" with Alliance and Horde. But I was intrigued what they were going to do with her in spite of saying even then that it was a mistake to make her the big bad. She's just too popular, and there's no way the writers can do a GRR Martin and kill her off in a holy shit fashion that would do her justice, but also make you think no one is safe. Then they do this "giving her soul back" thing, and on paper I get it, but it's lazy as hell (kinda fits in with everything else huh?) and that cinematic fell flat for me like it did most people. Then we look back to where it started, the purpose for burning it all down led us to this, and we're suppose to believe that The Jailer is responsible for everything going back to Wrath??? That's some Saw movie levels of retconning your plot to fit a forced narrative in. Next we'll find out that John Kramer was the one who taught The Jailer all along. I could go on, but yeah, between the allegations, and what the real sealing the deal was their f***ing response letter (which was tone deaf and gross) I was like "f*** off". They told us years ago "you don't want that, trust me you don't want that" and in the end they were right. A woman literally took her own life because of how she was treated, and they're being all "nah" about it. It's astounding. I'm in the same boat as you. I loved Warcraft's lore. I dedicated nearly a decade of my life to roleplaying in its universes between my Human Death Knight, Blood Elf Paladin, and "High Elf" Mage (human model stand-in; this was before they introduced Void Elves and the eventual more Quel'dorei-ish appearances for them and Blood Elves). There's intricate stories dedicated to all these characters and others. Hell, I even got a commission of my belf as a self-birthday present.
Sadly the communities fell apart in the last expansion because of fatigue and because BFA's metaplot was dreadful and drained everyone creatively. Our blood elf-focused guild was one of the most known on our home server of Moon Guard. But it just got progressively worse and worse and the GM decided he had enough and moved on. Any chances of any of us coming back were destroyed by these disgusting allegations.
I got some great friendships out of the game and I still cherish them. I'm glad that I've yet to see a single one of my former WoW buddies try to make excuses or even defend Blizzard in some way, because it is indefensible. A bunch of us are now playing on Elder Scrolls Online in a Dark Elf-focused guild. And personally speaking, I find the lore of Elder Scrolls very fascinating and compared to WoW, I appreciate how it's one of the most LGBTQ+ inclusive games I've ever seen.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jul 29, 2021 20:35:18 GMT -5
I stuck with WoW as long as I did because of the lore, I'm a huge lore nerd, and will watch 2-3 hour long videos from people like Nobbel just to absorb it. I was invested going in because Sylvanas USED to be my favorite character in all of Warcraft, I love me a good anti-hero, and her back story was awesome. That is until she decimated an entire people, and that was just hard to watch. Especially as a horde player, it was like "okay so there's no shades of grey now" with Alliance and Horde. But I was intrigued what they were going to do with her in spite of saying even then that it was a mistake to make her the big bad. She's just too popular, and there's no way the writers can do a GRR Martin and kill her off in a holy shit fashion that would do her justice, but also make you think no one is safe. Then they do this "giving her soul back" thing, and on paper I get it, but it's lazy as hell (kinda fits in with everything else huh?) and that cinematic fell flat for me like it did most people. Then we look back to where it started, the purpose for burning it all down led us to this, and we're suppose to believe that The Jailer is responsible for everything going back to Wrath??? That's some Saw movie levels of retconning your plot to fit a forced narrative in. Next we'll find out that John Kramer was the one who taught The Jailer all along. I could go on, but yeah, between the allegations, and what the real sealing the deal was their f***ing response letter (which was tone deaf and gross) I was like "f*** off". They told us years ago "you don't want that, trust me you don't want that" and in the end they were right. A woman literally took her own life because of how she was treated, and they're being all "nah" about it. It's astounding. I'm in the same boat as you. I loved Warcraft's lore. I dedicated nearly a decade of my life to roleplaying in its universes between my Human Death Knight, Blood Elf Paladin, and "High Elf" Mage (human model stand-in; this was before they introduced Void Elves and the eventual more Quel'dorei-ish appearances for them and Blood Elves). There's intricate stories dedicated to all these characters and others. Hell, I even got a commission of my belf as a self-birthday present.
Sadly the communities fell apart in the last expansion because of fatigue and because BFA's metaplot was dreadful and drained everyone creatively. Our blood elf-focused guild was one of the most known on our home server of Moon Guard. But it just got progressively worse and worse and the GM decided he had enough and moved on. Any chances of any of us coming back were destroyed by these disgusting allegations.
I got some great friendships out of the game and I still cherish them. I'm glad that I've yet to see a single one of my former WoW buddies try to make excuses or even defend Blizzard in some way, because it is indefensible. A bunch of us are now playing on Elder Scrolls Online in a Dark Elf-focused guild. And personally speaking, I find the lore of Elder Scrolls very fascinating and compared to WoW, I appreciate how it's one of the most LGBTQ+ inclusive games I've ever seen.
I played so many classes, and leveled lots of alts to have all of the professions, but my main was my Troll Shaman. My secondary was my Undead Mage. I even debated changing my main to a Zandalari Troll because I liked the model better, but I didn't feel like paying $25 bucks or whatever to do that. The strongest I ever felt in the community was during Cata. I was in a small family run guild. The dad was our main tank, their son was a hunter, and the grandpa was our main healer. It was amazing, the chats were fun, the raids were a blast because we were about the experience not "hardcore progression". I remember vividly doing Dragon Soul for a long time progressing, and when we finally beat Deathwing it was fantastic. Things fell apart in WoD, I had some setbacks and needed to take a break and when I came back they had all moved to a different server to merge guilds. I didn't join them, so since then it's been playing in solitude. I've been in guilds since, hell I'm an Officer in a guild now (albeit one that's been dead since the end of Legion) so the experience has been gone for some time. Coupled with I have mad social anxiety, and the WoW player base isn't the most friendly. Hell I was on this forum for 3 or 4 yrs before I made my first post b/c of it. But being a lore nerd, it was fine. I did LFR for the lore stuff since I wouldn't be doing legit raids, and my anxiety won't allow me to Pug where I have to be in a group on a chat (even if muted). Plus I'm not the best player, so it's just drama I don't want to deal with. That's awesome you made some friends out of it, I did once upon a time. I even met a couple in person, those were the days. I haven't talked with anyone in WoW (retail, I made a couple friends in Classic, but haven't talked to them in a year or so) in a long time. And don't get me started on BFA aka "let's shove 3 or 4 Expansions worth of lore and story into ONE and bloat it with the most rushed, and disappointing final act". And if I have to hear Magni say "CHAMPION!" one more time I'm going to find some kind of sword that can stab him. BFA is the first expansion I stopped playing about halfway through b/c it just wasn't fun. And that's after suffering through WoD and the lonesome garrison's. Azerite Armor..wtf... It seemed like every other expansion was good, so I figured with BFA shitting the bed in so many ways, then Shadowlands had to be amazing, like Legion following up WoD. Legion was great, just keep doing those mechanics. Not everything needs overhauled each expansion. I could go on, especially ranting about BFA, and the current situation. It's awesome you found a new game to play, and one that's so inclusive to my fellow LGBTQ+ community. FFXIV has been fun, confusing as all shit, but I'll meet a nice person once in awhile that talks on stream or helps me out. Hopefully in the future I can find something that can capture the magic I once had in WoW all those years ago.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 30, 2021 15:35:45 GMT -5
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