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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 13:18:31 GMT -5
Well… that, for me, was a misfire. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER}It just didn’t make sense! Hope was never an agent of SHIELD in the MCU, so the whole lynchpin of the story falls apart from there! Sure, kind of fun to see just how bad things can get in a very big week, but mess up one story beat and I’m left asking why if that doesn’t make sense. Better luck next week. Its an alternate universe so peoples roles in the MCU shift including job occupations Its an alternate universe starting with the events of Iron Man 2/Thor/Incredible Hulk. Everything that happened before the events of those movies should be exactly the same.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Aug 25, 2021 13:50:34 GMT -5
Its an alternate universe so peoples roles in the MCU shift including job occupations Its an alternate universe starting with the events of Iron Man 2/Thor/Incredible Hulk. Everything that happened before the events of those movies should be exactly the same. Says who?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 25, 2021 14:17:33 GMT -5
Its an alternate universe so peoples roles in the MCU shift including job occupations Its an alternate universe starting with the events of Iron Man 2/Thor/Incredible Hulk. Everything that happened before the events of those movies should be exactly the same. It seems to me the divergent point for this timeline was when Hope Van Dyne chose to join SHIELD.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 25, 2021 14:40:16 GMT -5
Its an alternate universe so peoples roles in the MCU shift including job occupations Its an alternate universe starting with the events of Iron Man 2/Thor/Incredible Hulk. Everything that happened before the events of those movies should be exactly the same. I hate to tell you that isn't the case with any What If stories.
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 25, 2021 14:46:39 GMT -5
Its an alternate universe starting with the events of Iron Man 2/Thor/Incredible Hulk. Everything that happened before the events of those movies should be exactly the same. It seems to me the divergent point for this timeline was when Hope Van Dyne chose to join SHIELD. This. Hope joins SHIELD, instead of working for Cross. Hope dies on a mission, like Janet is presumed to. Hank goes mad with grief and kills any potential recruit, using Hope's login to find out about The Avengers Initiative. Fallout: Since Tony is dead, he's not there to free Rhodey from Vanko's programing. The War Machine armor and the Hammer Drones destroy the Stark Expo and kill all attendees. Blonsky isn't shown with Ross. Was he even there in this reality? Did he get the Super Solider serum? Since the fight with Hulk never happens, he never becomes Abomination. Jane will never find out what happened to Thor. SHIELD would cover that up. Scott never becomes Ant-Man, as Hope is dead and Hank is in jail. Lives a normal life. Janet is stuck in the Quantum Realm forever. Does Cross still replicate Hank's tech? Does Hank help? Is that how he got the Yellowjacket suit?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 25, 2021 14:53:05 GMT -5
Hank goes mad with grief and kills any potential recruit, using Hope's login to find out about The Avengers Initiative. This was the one thing that got to me. Why would Hope's login still be active so long after her death? Especially when Widow's was seemingly suspended or revoked when she was arrested. I suppose you might not consider a dead person a threat, but this seems like a pretty major flaw in SHIELD's cyber-security.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 15:41:05 GMT -5
Its an alternate universe starting with the events of Iron Man 2/Thor/Incredible Hulk. Everything that happened before the events of those movies should be exactly the same. I hate to tell you that isn't the case with any What If stories. If its not, then it kind of makes the whole thing pointless. Why even reference what happened in any movies at all if the past of that universe is different anyway? I'm not saying I disagree. I guess you're right. But it certainly makes it way less interesting to me personally.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 25, 2021 15:42:32 GMT -5
I hate to tell you that isn't the case with any What If stories. If its not, then it kind of makes the whole thing pointless. Why even reference what happened in any movies at all if the past of that universe is different anyway? I'm not saying I disagree. I guess you're right. But it certainly makes it way less interesting to me personally. Because its a different multiverse which is the entire purpose of the show. If it followed the entire plot line of the MCU it'd be boring. If you want continuity and stuff this probably isn't the show for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 15:43:36 GMT -5
Its an alternate universe starting with the events of Iron Man 2/Thor/Incredible Hulk. Everything that happened before the events of those movies should be exactly the same. Says who? Says the storytelling, or so I was lead to believe. Otherwise there's no reason to have emotional investment in where the timeline diverges. But as I admitted in the post above I guess I'm wrong.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 25, 2021 15:44:14 GMT -5
It seems to me the divergent point for this timeline was when Hope Van Dyne chose to join SHIELD. This. Hope joins SHIELD, instead of working for Cross. Hope dies on a mission, like Janet is presumed to. Hank goes mad with grief and kills any potential recruit, using Hope's login to find out about The Avengers Initiative. Fallout: Since Tony is dead, he's not there to free Rhodey from Vanko's programing. The War Machine armor and the Hammer Drones destroy the Stark Expo and kill all attendees. Blonsky isn't shown with Ross. Was he even there in this reality? Did he get the Super Solider serum? Since the fight with Hulk never happens, he never becomes Abomination. Jane will never find out what happened to Thor. SHIELD would cover that up. Scott never becomes Ant-Man, as Hope is dead and Hank is in jail. Lives a normal life. Janet is stuck in the Quantum Realm forever. Does Cross still replicate Hank's tech? Does Hank help? Is that how he got the Yellowjacket suit? Hope is also killed by the Winter Soldier. Because Black Widow mentioned the Odessa mission before. So the divergent timeline is Hope going instead of Black Widow. So Winter Soldier caused all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 15:44:25 GMT -5
I just took the "What If" as what if Hope joined Shield.
But if that was the title it would kinda give away the mystery.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 15:48:45 GMT -5
If its not, then it kind of makes the whole thing pointless. Why even reference what happened in any movies at all if the past of that universe is different anyway? I'm not saying I disagree. I guess you're right. But it certainly makes it way less interesting to me personally. Because its a different multiverse which is the entire purpose of the show. If it followed the entire plot line of the MCU it'd be boring. If you want continuity and stuff this probably isn't the show for you. Yes, I've been reading comics for 35 years. I know how alternate realities work. I though What If specifically diverged from certain points. For example!e, the old what if comics would say "What of Phoenix hadn't died?" or something like that. In the story, everything up to when she would have died is the same. I figured the show was following that same format. Apparently this show follows the DC Elseworlds type logic instead. And no, this show is not for me. I haven't enjoyed an episode yet.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 25, 2021 15:49:22 GMT -5
If its not, then it kind of makes the whole thing pointless. Why even reference what happened in any movies at all if the past of that universe is different anyway? I'm not saying I disagree. I guess you're right. But it certainly makes it way less interesting to me personally. Because its a different multiverse which is the entire purpose of the show. If it followed the entire plot line of the MCU it'd be boring. If you want continuity and stuff this probably isn't the show for you. Yeah, each episode is set in a different part of the multiverse. The timeline where T'Challa was kidnapped by Ravagers is not the same one in which Peggy Carter became a super soldier and Steve Rogers became proto-Iron Man, and neither are the same timeline in which the Avengers get murdered.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 25, 2021 16:18:52 GMT -5
Putting aside every other concern people might have, did Mark Ruffalo record his dialogue in some kind of tunnel? He sounded really muffled.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 16:20:59 GMT -5
Really enjoyed that. Fun what if concept.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Aug 25, 2021 16:22:31 GMT -5
It seems to me the divergent point for this timeline was when Hope Van Dyne chose to join SHIELD. Blonsky isn't shown with Ross. Was he even there in this reality? Did he get the Super Solider serum? Since the fight with Hulk never happens, he never becomes Abomination. Blonksy would have had the first fight with Hulk but never got round 2. My guess is that he becomes Ross's new guinea pig for a super solider because Banner is dead.
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 25, 2021 16:28:39 GMT -5
I was just reminded of something.
Young Peter Parker was at the Stark Expo. He was the kid Tony saved.
Tony wasn't there.
Someone else gets bitten by that Spider.
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Post by Moppy on Aug 25, 2021 16:30:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I can kinda see it both ways. I really just want to watch a fun cartoon and don't want to be thinking of every single cause, permutation, fallout or variation on the original timeline etc etc. On the other hand, I think each episode would benefit more from revolving around a central point where the watcher can be like, "hey, so that, that right there? Boom, alternate reality created. Let's follow", like he did in episode 1. Doesn't help that to my mind, the 3 catalyst moments so far haven't made total sense, so I can see how it may take some people out of it a bit. But whatever, still seems fun to me
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 25, 2021 17:07:00 GMT -5
Putting aside every other concern people might have, did Mark Ruffalo record his dialogue in some kind of tunnel? He sounded really muffled. Probably just gotta say it was a pandemic thing and shrug
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 25, 2021 17:24:09 GMT -5
Putting aside every other concern people might have, did Mark Ruffalo record his dialogue in some kind of tunnel? He sounded really muffled. Probably just gotta say it was a pandemic thing and shrug Probably. Not the first time and won’t be the last. It was just super glaring compared to everyone else. Also, props for Michael Douglas for not half assing it when he had all the reason to do so. He was great.
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