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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 25, 2021 17:57:31 GMT -5
I was just reminded of something. Young Peter Parker was at the Stark Expo. He was the kid Tony saved. Tony wasn't there. Someone else gets bitten by that Spider. Been awhile since I watched Iron Man 2, but would that attack have even happened if Stark was already dead by that point?
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Aug 25, 2021 18:45:07 GMT -5
I'm wondering what Hyrda does in this timeline. Thing about fascists is that they're not happy when other fascists establish a dictatorship before they do.
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 25, 2021 18:55:15 GMT -5
I was just reminded of something. Young Peter Parker was at the Stark Expo. He was the kid Tony saved. Tony wasn't there. Someone else gets bitten by that Spider. Been awhile since I watched Iron Man 2, but would that attack have even happened if Stark was already dead by that point? I thought about that. Vanko didn't just want to kill Stark. He wanted to destroy his legacy. That was the whole point of the Expo attack. I think the Expo attack would have still happened in that alone.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 25, 2021 18:56:59 GMT -5
I'm wondering what Hyrda does in this timeline. Thing about fascists is that they're not happy when other fascists establish a dictatorship before they do. Maybe they cut a deal with Loki? From what we know about Asgard, they're mighty warriors, but their numbers are limited. I think a scene in Loki showed the planet's population was only about ten thousand people when it went kablooey. As strong and as advanced as they might be, it seems unlikely they could sustain an occupation of the entire planet without help.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 25, 2021 20:47:18 GMT -5
I wonder if the final scenes of each episode are setups for sequel episodes in season two? What if Captain Carter joined the Avengers? What if Ego was able to enact his plan? What if Loki ruled Earth? I'm wondering what Hyrda does in this timeline. Thing about fascists is that they're not happy when other fascists establish a dictatorship before they do. Maybe they cut a deal with Loki? From what we know about Asgard, they're mighty warriors, but their numbers are limited. I think a scene in Loki showed the planet's population was only about ten thousand people when it went kablooey. As strong and as advanced as they might be, it seems unlikely they could sustain an occupation of the entire planet without help. Hogun in the MCU is from Vanaheim, not Asgard, which suggests that Asgard's army is at least partially made up of warriors from across the Nine Realms.
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Post by schma on Aug 26, 2021 0:24:38 GMT -5
I setimes love alternate universes. It can offer a great glimpse into what could have been with other creative teams or if certain characters were creates in different eras.
Sometimes people forget that many of these characters in the case of marvel were created in the 60s. In DC's case many of them date to the 30s and 40s.
These characters are as old as our life expectancy in some cases. Other big characters were created much later but it's neat to think howdifferent it might have been.
The ultimate universe in Marvel was originally meant to be a clean slate where you didn't have to knowanythingabout the characters. However, it was also the chance to present a more modern vision of characters without 40 years of story behind them.
You can look at alternate universes and say nothing matters. I don't see it that way. The best alternate universes can also reveal a lot about the original version of the character when done well.
So far I'm really liking the what if series.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 26, 2021 4:59:32 GMT -5
So, I'm thinking what the natural extension of the new episode is. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Fury brings Cap out of suspended animation and they team up with Captain Marvel. Justin Hammer, not having Tony as a rival anymore, offers the Hammer drones as service to Loki, but since he has the armies of Asgard at his disposal, he derisively blows off Hammer. Hammer, furious, tracks down Fury and offers his services to dethrone Loki. They approach Pepper about Tony's research, hoping that with Hammer working off of it, they can make Tony's death not be in vain. Meanwhile, the Sif and the Heroic Trio become uncomfortable with Loki's cruelty and decide to defect to Fury's side. They hatch a plan: bring the Destroyer to Fury and the Avengers as a peace offering. Working with Tony's tech and Hammer's work, they are able to retrofit the Uru armor into the Godbuster (Tony's version of armor to fight the Destroyer in the comics) which Hammer egotistically dubs "Mjolnir", his own "Hammer" of Thor. They're also approached by a professor who was at the site of Banner's death, Samuel Stearns, who says that he has samples of Bruce's gamma-irradiated blood as they were working clandestinely towards a cure, and the suggestion that perhaps they could replicate the creation of a new Hulk, but it would have to be someone who Bruce was related to, to keep it as close to biologically possible to replicate the Hulk as close as they can. Betty Ross reluctantly volunteers that Bruce had a cousin, a law student in NY by the name of Jennifer Walters...
You then get a team of Captain America, Captain Marvel, Nick Fury, The Heroic Trio and Sif, Mjolnir, and She-Hulk, taking on the armies of Asgard and SHIELD, being clandestenly run now by Hydra and Alexander Pierce.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 26, 2021 11:11:08 GMT -5
I was just reminded of something. Young Peter Parker was at the Stark Expo. He was the kid Tony saved. Tony wasn't there. Someone else gets bitten by that Spider. Been awhile since I watched Iron Man 2, but would that attack have even happened if Stark was already dead by that point? I have not watched the episodes yet to know the timeline of the events quite right, but Hammer only brought in Vanko after he tried killing Stark using his own ARC reactor technology, so without seeing that on display the Hammer/Vanko pairing never happens.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 26, 2021 11:20:27 GMT -5
I have not watched the episodes yet to know the timeline of the events quite right, but Hammer only brought in Vanko after he tried killing Stark using his own ARC reactor technology, so without seeing that on display the Hammer/Vanko pairing never happens. The events of the episode take place the day after Tony's birthday party, so Hammer and Vanko would have already paired up at that point.
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 26, 2021 11:20:43 GMT -5
Been awhile since I watched Iron Man 2, but would that attack have even happened if Stark was already dead by that point? I have not watched the episodes yet to know the timeline of the events quite right, but Hammer only brought in Vanko after he tried killing Stark using his own ARC reactor technology, so without seeing that on display the Hammer/Vanko pairing never happens. The episode starts at the Donut shop scene in IM2. After Rhodey took the Mark 2 armor and Hammer already broke Vanko out of jail to start making suits/drones. So, the presentation is still going to happen at the Expo. And Vanko still wants to kill the Stark legacy. Even if Tony himself is dead.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 26, 2021 11:49:32 GMT -5
Who is really having a problem with the divergence point? I mean it is a little more subtle since they wanted a murder mystery but at some point Hope was either offered or considered to be offered a SHIELD job. She either turned it down or they never offered. In this universe they offered and she accepted.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 26, 2021 11:53:21 GMT -5
Another theory to throw in there, if Stark is confirmed dead, it's possible they might have canceled/postponed the Expo out of respect for him. Who is really having a problem with the divergence point? I mean it is a little more subtle since they wanted a murder mystery but at some point Hope was either offered or considered to be offered a SHIELD job. She either turned it down or they never offered. In this universe they offered and she accepted. I think the problem is in the last two episodes the timeline split point was very explicit. Heck, in the Captain Carter episode, The Watcher more or less says "yep, that's when it happens" when it happens (even though the moment he pointed out still leaves some timeline hiccups). In this one it's never really pointed out and you don't find out about it until the climax towards the end.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 26, 2021 12:25:14 GMT -5
Another theory to throw in there, if Stark is confirmed dead, it's possible they might have canceled/postponed the Expo out of respect for him. Who is really having a problem with the divergence point? I mean it is a little more subtle since they wanted a murder mystery but at some point Hope was either offered or considered to be offered a SHIELD job. She either turned it down or they never offered. In this universe they offered and she accepted. I think the problem is in the last two episodes the timeline split point was very explicit. Heck, in the Captain Carter episode, The Watcher more or less says "yep, that's when it happens" when it happens (even though the moment he pointed out still leaves some timeline hiccups). In this one it's never really pointed out and you don't find out about it until the climax towards the end. I get that and if you have a problem halfway through the episode then ok. They wanted a murder mystery so they didnt make it clear early on. But if you finished the episode then there should be no issue as its pretty clear. I guess we never saw in a movie that Hope was possibly a SHIELD agent but its certainly not a strange idea. Both her parents worked for SHIELD and she was an intelligent and capable woman. The bigger mystery is why was she not a SHIELD agent in the prime timeline.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 26, 2021 12:33:08 GMT -5
Who is really having a problem with the divergence point? I mean it is a little more subtle since they wanted a murder mystery but at some point Hope was either offered or considered to be offered a SHIELD job. She either turned it down or they never offered. In this universe they offered and she accepted. I think the problem is in the last two episodes the timeline split point was very explicit. Heck, in the Captain Carter episode, The Watcher more or less says "yep, that's when it happens" when it happens (even though the moment he pointed out still leaves some timeline hiccups). In this one it's never really pointed out and you don't find out about it until the climax towards the end. I suspect the first two episodes were particularly explicit in pointing out where the divergence points were to really drive home just how the premise of the show works, and from this point on it'll be "Okay, we don't need to hold your hand all the way through, you should be able to figure it out from here."
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 27, 2021 8:00:53 GMT -5
If I had any criticism it is that they laid on the “Thor is a dreamboat” stuff a little too thick but whatever, it’s just fun TV
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Post by Heart of fools gold on Aug 27, 2021 8:29:31 GMT -5
Isn't it cause Hank and Hope blame shield for OG Wasp's "death"
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Post by salz4life on Aug 27, 2021 8:48:23 GMT -5
I wonder if the final scenes of each episode are setups for sequel episodes in season two? What if Captain Carter joined the Avengers? What if Ego was able to enact his plan? What if Loki ruled Earth? Maybe they cut a deal with Loki? From what we know about Asgard, they're mighty warriors, but their numbers are limited. I think a scene in Loki showed the planet's population was only about ten thousand people when it went kablooey. As strong and as advanced as they might be, it seems unlikely they could sustain an occupation of the entire planet without help. Hogun in the MCU is from Vanaheim, not Asgard, which suggests that Asgard's army is at least partially made up of warriors from across the Nine Realms. Didn't even think about that. That would be kind of cool.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 30, 2021 15:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 1, 2021 3:08:25 GMT -5
Goddamn. That was some heavy shit.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 1, 2021 3:14:06 GMT -5
Goddamn. That was some heavy shit. That montages during the middle of the episode just hit really hard
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