NGD quits CMLL, vacate titles they hold.

[chrom]

Big news just came out of CMLL.

Cuatrero, Forastero and Sanson, the brother and cousin trios team known as New Generation Dynamite have just quit the promotion.

They were the CMLL World Trios Champions and Cuatrero was also the Middleweight Champion of CMLL as well. It also sounds like Soberano Jr. is leaving as well.

This is big news as they were set to main event Friday's show and TripleMania is this Saturday. Rush and Dragon Lee have said they'll be seeing them soon as well.

[Fake Jesus]

You know that really bad fifties brownface, Charlton Heston in Touch of Evil or Alec Guinness in Lawrence of Arabia? At this stage I'm convinced if you walked into CMLL HQ you'd find Dixie Carter sitting there with splotchy spraytan and a ten-gallon sombrero on

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Andrade is somewhere just drumming his fingers together with a shit eating grin.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Soberano is going off on Twitter saying Ultimo Guerrero is killing CMLL. Dragon Lee and Rush are cheering him on and teasing him coming to RoH.

Soberano was, incidentally, one of the rising young guys they were touting as the future of CMLL when Rush and Dragon Lee were fired, as an example of how they didn't really need those two.

What a shitshow.

[chrom]

He's been going off on how the company has treated and handled guys who had Covid

[chrom]

They'll be going by new names from now on

[Cyno]

CMLL's a dumpster fire.

[Mozenrath]

I knew CMLL had major problems, but sounds like I didn't know the half of it.

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Ya know, I don't have the ability to keep up with the Lucha scene nearly as much as I do the American, but it seemed like for a while that AAA was the dumpster fire and CMLL was the company that had its shit together.

Seeing as how Kenny, The Bucks, Penta, Fenix, etc. work for AAA at this point, I would assume AAA finally got things under control.

[chrom]

Aug 10, 2021 19:21:49 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I knew CMLL had major problems, but sounds like I didn't know the half of it.

Oh you don't. The company's a shell of its former self

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since we've had LOLTNA and Ruh-ROH...

I hereby vote to change CMLL's screwups to being called "CM-LOL"

[chrom]

They were expected to be lifers for CMLL who would be around for Decades.

[Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED!]

Aug 10, 2021 19:52:49 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Ya know, I don't have the ability to keep up with the Lucha scene nearly as much as I do the American, but it seemed like for a while that AAA was the dumpster fire and CMLL was the company that had its shit together.

Seeing as how Kenny, The Bucks, Penta, Fenix, etc. work for AAA at this point, I would assume AAA finally got things under control.

A lot of that started to change around 2017, once AAA began forming international partnerships. They got the idea that the old ways don't work like they used to. They quickly realized that if they didn't change the way they did thing nobody was going to want to do business with them. Meanwhile CMLL still acts like they're the only game in town. They try to big league everybody including the people who work there. The problem is that they aren't the only ones with connections in the game anymore, and unlike in the mid 2000s they don't really provide very many more opportunities for their people. In fact they're usually the ones who are preventing people from getting these opportunities given how restrictive they are with booking.

For instance some of the restrictions they've put on what shows their people can and cannot work include but are not limited to: Any show including AAA talent, any show including El Hijo del Santo, any show including Blue Demon Jr. any show including Rush, and any show involving Dragon Lee. Given that this means they can't work shows featuring the vast majority of the biggest names in Mexico, all but the biggest names are starting to realize what CMLL is paying them is less than what they're losing out on.

[chrom]

Aug 10, 2021 20:19:01 GMT -5 Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! said:

Aug 10, 2021 19:52:49 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Ya know, I don't have the ability to keep up with the Lucha scene nearly as much as I do the American, but it seemed like for a while that AAA was the dumpster fire and CMLL was the company that had its shit together.

Seeing as how Kenny, The Bucks, Penta, Fenix, etc. work for AAA at this point, I would assume AAA finally got things under control.

A lot of that started to change around 2017, once AAA began forming international partnerships. They got the idea that the old ways don't work like they used to. They quickly realized that if they didn't change the way they did thing nobody was going to want to do business with them. Meanwhile CMLL still acts like they're the only game in town. They try to big league everybody including the people who work there. The problem is that they aren't the only ones with connections in the game anymore, and unlike in the mid 2000s they don't really provide very many more opportunities for their people. In fact they're usually the ones who are preventing people from getting these opportunities given how restrictive they are with booking.

For instance some of the restrictions they've put on what shows their people can and cannot work include but are not limited to: Any show including AAA talent, any show including El Hijo del Santo, any show including Blue Demon Jr. any show including Rush, and any show involving Dragon Lee. Given that this means they can't work shows featuring the vast majority of the biggest names in Mexico, all but the biggest names are starting to realize what CMLL is paying them is less than what they're losing out on.

The only thing keeping them afloat it seems like is the relationship with New Japan and if that goes, there's gonna be a giant exodus leaving CMLL.

[MolotovMocktail]

Aug 10, 2021 19:56:10 GMT -5 chrom said:

Aug 10, 2021 19:21:49 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I knew CMLL had major problems, but sounds like I didn't know the half of it.

Oh you don't. The company's a shell of its former self

And compared to AAA, they’re still supposed to be the competent ones.

[Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED!]

Aug 10, 2021 20:26:01 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Aug 10, 2021 19:56:10 GMT -5 chrom said:

Oh you don't. The company's a shell of its former self

And compared to AAA, they’re still supposed to be the competent ones.

Honestly a lot of that comes down to the old stigma from the mid 2000s and early 2010s. The last real shit show they had was Triplemania 26 in 2018. Their last two Triplemanias have been damn near show of the year quality, last year's especially.

This year's card looks pretty stacked too. If possible I'd recommend checking it out.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Aug 10, 2021 20:19:01 GMT -5 Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! said:

Aug 10, 2021 19:52:49 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Ya know, I don't have the ability to keep up with the Lucha scene nearly as much as I do the American, but it seemed like for a while that AAA was the dumpster fire and CMLL was the company that had its shit together.

Seeing as how Kenny, The Bucks, Penta, Fenix, etc. work for AAA at this point, I would assume AAA finally got things under control.

A lot of that started to change around 2017, once AAA began forming international partnerships. They got the idea that the old ways don't work like they used to. They quickly realized that if they didn't change the way they did thing nobody was going to want to do business with them. Meanwhile CMLL still acts like they're the only game in town. They try to big league everybody including the people who work there. The problem is that they aren't the only ones with connections in the game anymore, and unlike in the mid 2000s they don't really provide very many more opportunities for their people. In fact they're usually the ones who are preventing people from getting these opportunities given how restrictive they are with booking.

For instance some of the restrictions they've put on what shows their people can and cannot work include but are not limited to: Any show including AAA talent, any show including El Hijo del Santo, any show including Blue Demon Jr. any show including Rush, and any show involving Dragon Lee. Given that this means they can't work shows featuring the vast majority of the biggest names in Mexico, all but the biggest names are starting to realize what CMLL is paying them is less than what they're losing out on.

The big turning point was AAA going through its own massive talent exodus post-Lucha Underground, when their generation of young wrestlers had just gotten a taste of international exposure and attention, and AAA was still trying to keep them under their thumb and take a cut off their outside opportunities. Penta and Fenix were obviously the biggest names to come out of that, but they were losing guys like (Angel) Garza Jr too, who weren't even on LU but who decided sticking around would be a dead end quagmire for their careers.

It took a couple years to rebuild from that, but they've eased up on restrictions, put an effort into building international partnerships, and gradually lured a lot of the big name departures like the Lucha Bros back into the fold, and their product's the better for it.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

CMLL has put themselves on more of an island than even WWE.


The problem is that they don't heave nearly the resources WWE does. As mentioned, the NJPW partnership is the only thing helping keep them relevant at this point. All their big stars are leaving in droves, or being fired by CMLL for some petty reason or another.


AAA still isn't perfect but, they've realized that they have to adapt to wrestling being a more global market in the age of social media if they want to stick around.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

Another sign of CMLL's fall from grace is the fact that the 2 young lions New Japan has just sent on excursion, Yota Tsuji and Yuya Uemura, are NOT going to CMLL. Even though Tsuji himself personally requested it.

[chrom]

Aug 10, 2021 21:22:43 GMT -5 Mochi Lone Wolf said:

Another sign of CMLL's fall from grace is the fact that the 2 young lions New Japan has just sent on excursion, Yota Tsuji and Yuya Uemura, are NOT going to CMLL. Even though Tsuji himself personally requested it.

I think that was more due to Covid there as a majority of Mexico is still in Code Orange or higher