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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2022 15:25:12 GMT -5
Hype about Brody King's debut. If this was WWE, they'd change his name. And if anything, I'd prefer AEW change his name just out of respect for Brodie Lee. Considering Brody named himself after Brodie, it’d be a slightly weird thing to do, to be honest.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 13, 2022 15:33:33 GMT -5
How is Brody King in-ring? Any comps?
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jan 13, 2022 18:09:45 GMT -5
Pleased this has moved along at last, the past couple of lights out/transportation segments were just getting cringeworthy and I think they may have effected the crowd reaction to this segment. Also Excalibur just knowing the name of the team when they've never existed before (as far as AEW fans like me are aware) got a bit of an eye roll. It was the same when Butcher/Blade/Bunny debuted. I've never seen Brodie King's work but I've heard good things so looking forward to seeing what he can do. That finisher looked cool but a little too dangerous, if Malakai doesn't get the right lift on the guy he's throwing to Brodie then he's landing on the top of his head. The team existed in PWG and Excalibur is one of the founders of PWG, so he's going to know what was going on in his old promotion. Besides his shtick tends to be "guy who has his finger on the pulse of indy wrestling" and even namedropped ROH here. This isn't like WWE where they exist in some bubble that doesn't acknowledge other promotions exist unless they have to. That's all well and good but my point is just from watching this show (and not PWG) there was a conflict to me, this big "surprise" debut occurs and the group/team is presented with a sense of mystery. Then Excalibur just names them. Even just a line referencing their team in PWG might have helped but I'd have preferred a more streamlined presentation i.e. either present it as a surprise debut with that air of mystery or explain the background as a team. Otherwise you've got the surprised/shocked commentators looking like idiots next to the one that has to get his shit in. It's not a massive issue in this one instance, just something I still think they could strive to improve on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 10:39:23 GMT -5
How is Brody King in-ring? Any comps? He's a big bruiser of a man who hits really hard but can also bust out cruiserweight shit on occasion. I recommend checking out his match vs WALTER from PWG Threemendous V, which is an excellent hoss-off. I also recommend listening to the album God's Hate, by the band God's Hate, which Brody is the lead vocalist of. It will give you the power to tear down granite walls with your bare hands.
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Post by markymark on Jan 14, 2022 11:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 14, 2022 19:41:19 GMT -5
I just... Like, I'm certainly looking forward to their matches. But wow does shit like this come off as dorky. I mean, if they're LITERALLY the devil and the grim reaper, fine, I can get behind that. But if they're not, then they're just dudes wearing plastic skull masks who spout semi-gibberish about the devil and death, because question mark. I mean It is pro wrestling The whole thing is goofy It's just fun stage craft shit But then I never got Undertaker either, you do you
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 14, 2022 22:29:22 GMT -5
I just... Like, I'm certainly looking forward to their matches. But wow does shit like this come off as dorky. I mean, if they're LITERALLY the devil and the grim reaper, fine, I can get behind that. But if they're not, then they're just dudes wearing plastic skull masks who spout semi-gibberish about the devil and death, because question mark. I mean It is pro wrestling The whole thing is goofy It's just fun stage craft shit But then I never got Undertaker either, you do you I just get hung up with the kayfabe of it. Undertaker was easy: he's like that because he's a magic zombie. But why on earth would someone be like that if they WEREN'T a magic zombie? What's the motivation? What do they get from talking and acting like that?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 15, 2022 0:31:50 GMT -5
The team existed in PWG and Excalibur is one of the founders of PWG, so he's going to know what was going on in his old promotion. Besides his shtick tends to be "guy who has his finger on the pulse of indy wrestling" and even namedropped ROH here. This isn't like WWE where they exist in some bubble that doesn't acknowledge other promotions exist unless they have to. That's all well and good but my point is just from watching this show (and not PWG) there was a conflict to me, this big "surprise" debut occurs and the group/team is presented with a sense of mystery. Then Excalibur just names them. Even just a line referencing their team in PWG might have helped but I'd have preferred a more streamlined presentation i.e. either present it as a surprise debut with that air of mystery or explain the background as a team. Otherwise you've got the surprised/shocked commentators looking like idiots next to the one that has to get his shit in. It's not a massive issue in this one instance, just something I still think they could strive to improve on. I do think it gets taken for granted that "everyone" watches PWG (and to a lesser extent, GCW) sometimes, when there are still tons of us out there that don't even know how to.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 15, 2022 0:37:11 GMT -5
I mean It is pro wrestling The whole thing is goofy It's just fun stage craft shit But then I never got Undertaker either, you do you I just get hung up with the kayfabe of it. Undertaker was easy: he's like that because he's a magic zombie. But why on earth would someone be like that if they WEREN'T a magic zombie? What's the motivation? What do they get from talking and acting like that? The real world is filled with terrible people who do malicious things because they've convinced themselves it has a higher purpose, and wrap up the justifications in ritual, in pomp and circumstance, in fancy sounding but empty speeches. Having characters like that in wrestling is one of the most believable things out there tbh.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 15, 2022 1:11:41 GMT -5
I just get hung up with the kayfabe of it. Undertaker was easy: he's like that because he's a magic zombie. But why on earth would someone be like that if they WEREN'T a magic zombie? What's the motivation? What do they get from talking and acting like that? The real world is filled with terrible people who do malicious things because they've convinced themselves it has a higher purpose, and wrap up the justifications in ritual, in pomp and circumstance, in fancy sounding but empty speeches. Having characters like that in wrestling is one of the most believable things out there tbh. Said it better than myself. The dudes veil themselves in satanic emblems to intimidate, I think it works going by their opponents. No worse than the Road Warriors wearing spiked shoulder pads or the Ministry as a whole.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 15, 2022 3:23:30 GMT -5
I just get hung up with the kayfabe of it. Undertaker was easy: he's like that because he's a magic zombie. But why on earth would someone be like that if they WEREN'T a magic zombie? What's the motivation? What do they get from talking and acting like that? The real world is filled with terrible people who do malicious things because they've convinced themselves it has a higher purpose, and wrap up the justifications in ritual, in pomp and circumstance, in fancy sounding but empty speeches. Having characters like that in wrestling is one of the most believable things out there tbh. I'm with you until you get to the "ritual" part, and that's where my issues start. No, the real world doesn't have a lot of people going around wearing plastic halloween store masks and blathering about the devil to justify the malicious things they do. I mean, I guess I can imagine someone who is extremely dorky actually trying something like this out and getting laughed out of the room, partly because it'd be such an obvious affectation. Wrestlers definitely have more leeway when it comes to obvious affectations, but like I said, my problem is figuring out the kayfabe. Outside of kayfabe, it's clear: it's all just supposed to be scary and intimidating and marketable. (It fails on the first two because of the dorkiness, but it succeeds for the third because Black put in enough idiosyncrasies to keep it from at least being too trite.) But as characters, I absolutely can't figure them out. (And the Road Warriors were just dressing like people in the movie The Road Warrior, who in turn were dressing like people in the gay bondage scene of the early 1908s.)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 15, 2022 3:30:50 GMT -5
The real world is filled with terrible people who do malicious things because they've convinced themselves it has a higher purpose, and wrap up the justifications in ritual, in pomp and circumstance, in fancy sounding but empty speeches. Having characters like that in wrestling is one of the most believable things out there tbh. I'm with you until you get to the "ritual" part, and that's where my issues start. No, the real world doesn't have a lot of people going around wearing plastic halloween store masks and blathering about the devil to justify the malicious things they do. I mean, I guess I can imagine someone who is extremely dorky actually trying something like this out and getting laughed out of the room, partly because it'd be such an obvious affectation. Wrestlers definitely have more leeway when it comes to obvious affectations, but like I said, my problem is figuring out the kayfabe. Outside of kayfabe, it's clear: it's all just supposed to be scary and intimidating and marketable. (It fails on the first two because of the dorkiness, but it succeeds for the third because Black put in enough idiosyncrasies to keep it from at least being too trite.) But as characters, I absolutely can't figure them out. (And the Road Warriors were just dressing like people in the movie The Road Warrior, who in turn were dressing like people in the gay bondage scene of the early 1908s.) The thing is... it hasn't been rejected or seen as corny by the vast majority of fans, in fact I've seen several people online say they want House of Black Tattoos, that's how much they're digging it... so the aspect of it failing or being dorky is pretty subjective, but I guess if you aint vibing with what's being presented, it is what it is. I think it's just one of those gimmicks that's easy to like, one of those "One of the things I came to wrestling for" deals, crazy, mysterious, cool and forboding. It's why for the most part, it seems to be working, especially now that Brody is in.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 15, 2022 3:41:41 GMT -5
I'm with you until you get to the "ritual" part, and that's where my issues start. No, the real world doesn't have a lot of people going around wearing plastic halloween store masks and blathering about the devil to justify the malicious things they do. I mean, I guess I can imagine someone who is extremely dorky actually trying something like this out and getting laughed out of the room, partly because it'd be such an obvious affectation. Wrestlers definitely have more leeway when it comes to obvious affectations, but like I said, my problem is figuring out the kayfabe. Outside of kayfabe, it's clear: it's all just supposed to be scary and intimidating and marketable. (It fails on the first two because of the dorkiness, but it succeeds for the third because Black put in enough idiosyncrasies to keep it from at least being too trite.) But as characters, I absolutely can't figure them out. (And the Road Warriors were just dressing like people in the movie The Road Warrior, who in turn were dressing like people in the gay bondage scene of the early 1908s.) The thing is... it hasn't been rejected or seen as corny by the vast majority of fans, in fact I've seen several people online say they want House of Black Tattoos, that's how much they're digging it... so the aspect of it failing or being dorky is pretty subjective, but I guess if you aint vibing with what's being presented, it is what it is. Oh, I know. Like I just said, it's definitely at least partly succeeding in terms of the out-of-kayfabe goals of being distinctive and marketable... though hopefully we can all agree certain specific elements, um, work less well than others. I frankly cannot understand anyone who doesn't think that stupid skull mask and devil quote are dorky. Those may just be minor aspects of the presentation, though.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 15, 2022 5:57:45 GMT -5
The real world is filled with terrible people who do malicious things because they've convinced themselves it has a higher purpose, and wrap up the justifications in ritual, in pomp and circumstance, in fancy sounding but empty speeches. Having characters like that in wrestling is one of the most believable things out there tbh. I'm with you until you get to the "ritual" part, and that's where my issues start. No, the real world doesn't have a lot of people going around wearing plastic halloween store masks and blathering about the devil to justify the malicious things they do. I mean, I guess I can imagine someone who is extremely dorky actually trying something like this out and getting laughed out of the room, partly because it'd be such an obvious affectation. Wrestlers definitely have more leeway when it comes to obvious affectations, but like I said, my problem is figuring out the kayfabe. Outside of kayfabe, it's clear: it's all just supposed to be scary and intimidating and marketable. (It fails on the first two because of the dorkiness, but it succeeds for the third because Black put in enough idiosyncrasies to keep it from at least being too trite.) But as characters, I absolutely can't figure them out. (And the Road Warriors were just dressing like people in the movie The Road Warrior, who in turn were dressing like people in the gay bondage scene of the early 1908s.) You ever hear of the band Mayhem, or the original Norwegian Black Metal scene? Because that first paragraph was about half of the stuff they did, and I'm pretty sure the House of Black is at least partially aping it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 15, 2022 10:03:20 GMT -5
The thing is... it hasn't been rejected or seen as corny by the vast majority of fans, in fact I've seen several people online say they want House of Black Tattoos, that's how much they're digging it... so the aspect of it failing or being dorky is pretty subjective, but I guess if you aint vibing with what's being presented, it is what it is. Oh, I know. Like I just said, it's definitely at least partly succeeding in terms of the out-of-kayfabe goals of being distinctive and marketable... though hopefully we can all agree certain specific elements, um, work less well than others. I frankly cannot understand anyone who doesn't think that stupid skull mask and devil quote are dorky. Those may just be minor aspects of the presentation, though. I think the issue I keep bumping into, when it comes to a lot of these "demon" or "satanic cult" gimmicks is : Why pro wrestling? Why did you seek out a contract with a pro wrestling company if the driving force in your life is satanic rituals, or if the kayfabe is that you're supposed to be an actual demon (eg : The Fiend), how is being a pro wrestler getting you any closer to causing mass harm to the world at large?
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Post by pinja on Jan 15, 2022 10:45:55 GMT -5
Oh, I know. Like I just said, it's definitely at least partly succeeding in terms of the out-of-kayfabe goals of being distinctive and marketable... though hopefully we can all agree certain specific elements, um, work less well than others. I frankly cannot understand anyone who doesn't think that stupid skull mask and devil quote are dorky. Those may just be minor aspects of the presentation, though. I think the issue I keep bumping into, when it comes to a lot of these "demon" or "satanic cult" gimmicks is : Why pro wrestling? Why did you seek out a contract with a pro wrestling company if the driving force in your life is satanic rituals, or if the kayfabe is that you're supposed to be an actual demon (eg : The Fiend), how is being a pro wrestler getting you any closer to causing mass harm to the world at large? The easiest explanation would be that pro wrestling is the most aesthetic form of violence and the beauty of violence is something that most dark & edgy gimmicks deeply appreciate. There's a great gimmick in someone claiming to be an artist of violence and that wrestling is the ideal canvas to show off convoluted pain.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 15, 2022 10:46:31 GMT -5
I just... Like, I'm certainly looking forward to their matches. But wow does shit like this come off as dorky. I mean, if they're LITERALLY the devil and the grim reaper, fine, I can get behind that. But if they're not, then they're just dudes wearing plastic skull masks who spout semi-gibberish about the devil and death, because question mark. Honestly, given how MMA is going I don't think it's tough to imagine competitors in actual combat sports doing roughly the same thing just to make themselves stand out.
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Post by Hurbster on Jan 15, 2022 11:08:11 GMT -5
They look a bit silly. So like wrestlers, then.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jan 15, 2022 11:40:42 GMT -5
The Justice card with a mask pendent on it symbolizes PAC cause PAC was holding that card in his latest Vignettes when they showed him all bandaged up. The Hanged Man has to be Adam Page. Maybe it will be The House of Black (Malachi, Brody, PAC, Julia, and possibly The Varsity Blondes) against the Dark Order after Hangman finishes his stuff with Lance Archer.
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Post by Main Event Mark on Jan 16, 2022 10:45:21 GMT -5
I only just saw a Windham/Wyatt video where he says "He has a home". Could the home be the House of Black?
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