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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 29, 2021 13:11:03 GMT -5
Cage doesnt help himself, does he? Say what you will about the inception of this situation but the "We're not saying, we're just saying" vagueness is turning me off of him the most.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 29, 2021 13:19:23 GMT -5
Cage doesnt help himself, does he? I mean, coming from his position, probably not. I do agree with the sentiment though. Think it’s kind of crazy Tony does it all himself and eventually he’s going to probably have to get some help. I think having one person have final say is extremely important, though. It’s what made WWE different than WCW and TNA.
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Post by Fade on Sept 29, 2021 13:27:04 GMT -5
I mean, coming from his position, probably not. I do agree with the sentiment though. Think it’s kind of crazy Tony does it all himself and eventually he’s going to probably have to get some help. I think having one person have final say is extremely important, though. It’s what made WWE different than WCW and TNA. Oh, I absolutely agree. Even in the sense in what Tony has commented on. How he gradually learned to trust his instinct and put his foot down and not take everyone’s opinion. It’s a fine line AEW has to walk in breeding creativity but also letting Tony have the final say. My only thought is, eventually, he’s probably going to need someone (or a few) people to bounce ideas off off or have ideas introduced to him. All the while maintaining being the final word for AEW’s creative choices.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 29, 2021 14:06:07 GMT -5
I think having one person have final say is extremely important, though. It’s what made WWE different than WCW and TNA. Oh, I absolutely agree. Even in the sense in what Tony has commented on. How he gradually learned to trust his instinct and put his foot down and not take everyone’s opinion. It’s a fine line AEW has to walk in breeding creativity but also letting Tony have the final say. My only thought is, eventually, he’s probably going to need someone (or a few) people to bounce ideas off off or have ideas introduced to him. All the while maintaining being the final word for AEW’s creative choices. A thought I've had is that he probably will hit a point where his style is stale and he needs to delegate. A lot of good wrestling has been booked with one key creative mind at the helm, but very few bookers really have more than five (maybe eight) years worth of tricks.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 29, 2021 14:53:49 GMT -5
What's weird is hasn't multiple people said that Tony does consult people like Jericho and Mox?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 29, 2021 15:23:58 GMT -5
Oh, I absolutely agree. Even in the sense in what Tony has commented on. How he gradually learned to trust his instinct and put his foot down and not take everyone’s opinion. It’s a fine line AEW has to walk in breeding creativity but also letting Tony have the final say. My only thought is, eventually, he’s probably going to need someone (or a few) people to bounce ideas off off or have ideas introduced to him. All the while maintaining being the final word for AEW’s creative choices. A thought I've had is that he probably will hit a point where his style is stale and he needs to delegate. A lot of good wrestling has been booked with one key creative mind at the helm, but very few bookers really have more than five (maybe eight) years worth of tricks. I mean, if you want to see what happens when one guy holds onto the book way too long, there’s a whole subforum dedicated to it. I’d like to think that Khan is aware enough that he’d know when to step back to prevent that, because I don’t want to be having the same conversations in 30 years about Khan that we’re having about Vince McMahon now (and not just because I’d be a 62-year old that had spent 47 years posting on an internet forum).
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Post by Dub H on Sept 29, 2021 15:29:01 GMT -5
Having final say doesnt mean Khan doesnt listen to peole ,its probably the moat important difference between Him and Vince. He has show to be open minded.
we can just hope it stays that way
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Sept 29, 2021 15:37:34 GMT -5
"Okay Brian, you want a high profile match? Well tonight we just added Brian Cage vs CM Punk vs Bryan Danielson vs a debuting John Cena vs We've gone through time and signed circa 88 Macho Man Randy Savage in a 'the only way to win this match is to pin Brian Cage, also everybody can win and Brian isn't allowed to pin anyone' match"
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Post by r. on Sept 29, 2021 15:44:57 GMT -5
He could try his luck with the other creative team. I'm sure he'll do great as Bungus winning the 24/7 title for the 30th time on Main Event.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 29, 2021 15:59:50 GMT -5
Also i don't really think I've commented but I feel like Cage himself has shown himself to not be the best at decision making on social media. I don't follow Melissa Santos enough to comment but there is plenty of reason to not trust Cage in a high profile spot
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 29, 2021 17:57:37 GMT -5
If you were having issues at your job, do you think the best way to handle them would be to have your significant other badmouth them on social media? As an average person who isn't famous? My boss would likely never see it. Yeah, you’d think so. But as a geek who cost himself a job by going off on The FaceBook you’d be shocked how quickly shit gets back to the boss. It’s not a good f***ing idea if you’re a geek working at a campground, fry cook at McDonald’s or what. Shit gets back to the boss and it’s a piss poor idea to rant on social media.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Sept 29, 2021 18:57:51 GMT -5
I'm sure Cage's desire for the EVPs to have more influence over creative is for the benefit of the entire roster, and DEFINITELY has nothing to do with the fact that he's been friends with Kenny and The Bucks for a very long time, and that they would hypothetically give him more opportunities over other wrestlers on the roster due to that connection.
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 29, 2021 19:02:54 GMT -5
I don't blame a wife for thinking her husband is the best, or even Cage for thinking that too. But you should approach any complaints you have in a responsible way. Bitching on Twitter is not a good look for anyone.
I've known people fired from a corporate job for complaining about their manager on social media, too.
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Post by Blade on Sept 29, 2021 20:54:35 GMT -5
Cage doesnt help himself, does he? I 100% agree with him.
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Post by Blade on Sept 29, 2021 20:59:37 GMT -5
I don't blame a wife for thinking her husband is the best, or even Cage for thinking that too. But you should approach any complaints you have in a responsible way. Bitching on Twitter is not a good look for anyone. I've known people fired from a corporate job for complaining about their manager on social media, too. Yes, but those corporations are shitty and you should not normalise or tolerate them spying on their employees. Bitching about your workplace is a goddamn right.
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Post by Blade on Sept 29, 2021 21:05:48 GMT -5
Yeah, you’d think so. But as a geek who cost himself a job by going off on The FaceBook you’d be shocked how quickly shit gets back to the boss. It’s not a good f***ing idea if you’re a geek working at a campground, fry cook at McDonald’s or what. Shit gets back to the boss and it’s a piss poor idea to rant on social media. It is genuinely sad that so many people (mostly Americans) think this is somehow OK for a company to do. Your boss had no effing business looking at your Facebook in the first place, and it is a deep sickness in corporate culture that they feel entitled to sniff about their employee's private lives.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 29, 2021 21:14:51 GMT -5
Yeah, you’d think so. But as a geek who cost himself a job by going off on The FaceBook you’d be shocked how quickly shit gets back to the boss. It’s not a good f***ing idea if you’re a geek working at a campground, fry cook at McDonald’s or what. Shit gets back to the boss and it’s a piss poor idea to rant on social media. It is genuinely sad that so many people (mostly Americans) think this is somehow OK for a company to do. Your boss had no effing business looking at your Facebook in the first place, and it is a deep sickness in corporate culture that they feel entitled to sniff about their employee's private lives. Facebook is public. If you’re openly dirting your employer on public social media that can be seen by thousands of people you aren’t in the right. Would it be acceptable to create a recording and broadcast how much you hate your boss on a massive stereo in your front yard? No. Then it’s not acceptable to lash out online. Do you think it would be acceptable to take out an ad in the newspaper saying “My Boss at this company is a piece of shit!!! Never work there!!!” Should they be expected to keep employing you after that? And explain to me how that’s different then a Facebook post If my boss hacked my phone and fired me over texts I had sent in private that would be pretty f***ed up. But posting something on Facebook is the equivalent of putting a giant “I Assure You We’re Open” Clerks style sign on the front of your house saying “F*** YOU BOSS” EDIT: And I wanna make it clear that I’m directly referring to dirting your employer. If your boss goes on Facebook and fired you because there is a picture of you beer bonging or smoking a joint or something, they should not be able to fire you over that. But if you sitting on FB talking about what a see you next Tuesday your boss is, yeah, that’s fair game for repercussions in my opinion.
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 29, 2021 21:19:22 GMT -5
I don't blame a wife for thinking her husband is the best, or even Cage for thinking that too. But you should approach any complaints you have in a responsible way. Bitching on Twitter is not a good look for anyone. I've known people fired from a corporate job for complaining about their manager on social media, too. Yes, but those corporations are shitty and you should not normalise or tolerate them spying on their employees. Bitching about your workplace is a goddamn right. That's what you use a Twitter account without your real name on for. If you have a FB account, put that you're working at the company, and friend many of your colleagues (which is what this person did,) then you need to be more careful. No spying or snooping needed by anyone to find what you're saying. I'm not in America. The employees at this company have a good union that can speak up and sort out a lot of things, but even they threw their hands up in defeat at this one.
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Post by Blade on Sept 29, 2021 21:39:27 GMT -5
Facebook is public. If you’re openly dirting your employer on public social media that can be seen by thousands of people you aren’t in the right. Would it be acceptable to create a recording and broadcast how much you hate your boss on a massive stereo in your front yard? No. Then it’s not acceptable to lash out online. Do you think it would be acceptable to take out an ad in the newspaper saying “My Boss at this company is a piece of shit!!! Never work there!!!” Should they be expected to keep employing you after that? And explain to me how that’s different then a Facebook post If my boss hacked my phone and fired me over texts I had sent in private that would be pretty f***ed up. But posting something on Facebook is the equivalent of putting a giant “I Assure You We’re Open” Clerks style sign on the front of your house saying “F*** YOU BOSS” EDIT: And I wanna make it clear that I’m directly referring to dirting your employer. If your boss goes on Facebook and fired you because there is a picture of you beer bonging or smoking a joint or something, they should not be able to fire you over that. But if you sitting on FB talking about what a see you next Tuesday your boss is, yeah, that’s fair game for repercussions in my opinion. Facebook is not a public broadcast system. It is a social media platform where you look for people you know, and they and you say shit. There is no legitimate reason for your workplace to look for your facebook. When you complained, were you writing an article? Were you expecting it to go viral? Were you anticipating it being seen by the world? Most likely not - you had no expectation that it would be seen by a mass audience or your workplace, because you are just a guy on facebook. And yet you have been talked into defending a company for going snooping around your online presence just in case you say something bad about them. For virtually all of human history it has been normal and acceptable to bitch with your friends after work how much you hate your boss or how where you work sucks. And that is what complaining about a company on facebook is, because social media is an extension (or replacement) of hanging with buddies and family for most people (especially now). The difference here is simply that your corporation CAN spy on what you're saying to your buddies, and so they do. But they have no business doing so, any more than if they sent people to listen in at bars to see if anyone badmouthed them, or set up hidden microphones in your home. As well, because people let them take this power, they take even more (because of course they do, because that is what corporations do). Many companies in the United States now demand employees turn over not just what their social media is, but also their passwords. And, of course, WWE feels it has the right to control what its not-even-employees do on social media and has exercised this "right" repeatedly (not just preventing them from earning money, though of course they did that too), and that too stems from the same idea that it is somehow any of their business what people who work at WWE do off the clock. I will drop the topic here because, duh, it's political, but I would strongly urge you to step back and think about why you feel a company was in the right to spy on its employees facebook posts and fire them due to expressing dissatisfaction there.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 29, 2021 21:50:09 GMT -5
Facebook is public. If you’re openly dirting your employer on public social media that can be seen by thousands of people you aren’t in the right. Would it be acceptable to create a recording and broadcast how much you hate your boss on a massive stereo in your front yard? No. Then it’s not acceptable to lash out online. Do you think it would be acceptable to take out an ad in the newspaper saying “My Boss at this company is a piece of shit!!! Never work there!!!” Should they be expected to keep employing you after that? And explain to me how that’s different then a Facebook post If my boss hacked my phone and fired me over texts I had sent in private that would be pretty f***ed up. But posting something on Facebook is the equivalent of putting a giant “I Assure You We’re Open” Clerks style sign on the front of your house saying “F*** YOU BOSS” EDIT: And I wanna make it clear that I’m directly referring to dirting your employer. If your boss goes on Facebook and fired you because there is a picture of you beer bonging or smoking a joint or something, they should not be able to fire you over that. But if you sitting on FB talking about what a see you next Tuesday your boss is, yeah, that’s fair game for repercussions in my opinion. Facebook is not a public broadcast system. It is a social media platform where you look for people you know, and they and you say shit. There is no legitimate reason for your workplace to look for your facebook. When you complained, were you writing an article? Were you expecting it to go viral? Were you anticipating it being seen by the world? Most likely not - you had no expectation that it would be seen by a mass audience or your workplace, because you are just a guy on facebook. And yet you have been talked into defending a company for going snooping around your online presence just in case you say something bad about them. For virtually all of human history it has been normal and acceptable to bitch with your friends after work how much you hate your boss or how where you work sucks. And that is what complaining about a company on facebook is, because social media is an extension (or replacement) of hanging with buddies and family for most people (especially now). The difference here is simply that your corporation CAN spy on what you're saying to your buddies, and so they do. But they have no business doing so, any more than if they sent people to listen in at bars to see if anyone badmouthed them, or set up hidden microphones in your home. As well, because people let them take this power, they take even more (because of course they do, because that is what corporations do). Many companies in the United States now demand employees turn over not just what their social media is, but also their passwords. And, of course, WWE feels it has the right to control what its not-even-employees do on social media and has exercised this "right" repeatedly (not just preventing them from earning money, though of course they did that too), and that too stems from the same idea that it is somehow any of their business what people who work at WWE do off the clock. I will drop the topic here because, duh, it's political, but I would strongly urge you to step back and think about why you feel a company was in the right to spy on its employees facebook posts and fire them due to expressing dissatisfaction there. If I had a private account, and my employer used a friend of mine to spy on me that would be entirely different. Facebook is a public broadcast system, if your account is public anyone can look at it. Literally anyone can see it. Anything you put on Facebook on a public profile you are broadcasting to the world. I’m more then willing to call a company out on bullshit, I quit a well paying job because I got bitched out for not answering my phone on New Years Day while I was having alone time with the lady friend. But if you have a public profile on social, you have to realise that literally anyone can see it. I’ve bitched out lower managers for using mutual friends to creep on private profiles of prospective hires, but if you’re public you’re fair game man. Having a public profile, you might as well be writing an opinion column in the local newspaper. And I bet you a shitload more people see my FB posts (when I was still on there) then read my local newspaper.
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