The Main Event Racial Diversity Is Getting Better In AEW

[bob]

Apr 22, 2024 16:22:01 GMT -5 IgnahtaSempria said:

Apr 22, 2024 15:08:45 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Is Luchasaurus a joke to you?

Luchasaurus isn't a man. He's a dinosaur. Obviously.

[mattyy]

Apr 23, 2024 12:09:30 GMT -5 mattyy said:

Apr 22, 2024 3:18:50 GMT -5 Glitch said:

I would greatly veto that idea, considering the horrible racial stereotype of blackmen not having father figures. This feels like a big can of Nope.

I feel like you can do something without approaching that stereotype. I mean after all Christian joined forces with Swerve after Swerve brutally assaulted Nick Wayne, and then Christian walked out of the match at All In, leaving Swerve to lose by himself. Christian is an over heel who can eat a loss, and Swerve will look better for defeating him. You don't have to touch any of the "Your Father is...." stuff, when you could go with "YOU HURT MY SON!" with Swerve pointing out all the hypocrisy.

hire me Tony Khan.

[markymark]

Here's a full recap of Scorpio Sky's interview. Thought it was interesting hearing his thoughts since I haven't seen him on TV for what feels like almost a year. Check out the interview on: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCZ-l5zI9Tw

Scorpio Sky claims to be physically feel better than in many years. He trains with Cezar Bononi.

They started by asking when will he be returning and the status of the company. Scorpio says he doesnt have a great answer when he'll be back but he is still with the company. He says he's been in and out of TV mainly due to injuries and bad luck.

He said he's had ideas on how to return to TV. He wants to be bring a different character and came up with a social media influence/clout chaser character. He got the idea from an actual influencer that he follows that would just give advice on Men's health and than later started talking how great their life is with everything that they have.

He wanted his route to do nothing but video packages for weeks and then make his debut but it hasn't quite worked out the way he wanted it.

Funny story here: Scorpio did Ethan's toy hunt video once and he talked about how much he loved action figures as a kid. He would have storylines/cards for his figures and one of the storylines he did was having Tugboat turn on Earthquake and changing his name to "Thugboat" with his finishing move being the 5 Star Frog Splash.

One of the ideas he had for his influencer gimmick was to end his segments with a motivational quote or have an assistant that tweets it out later. He studied a lot of Gary Vee, Tony Robins, and Mega Church pastors when they get cornered for interviews.

He says injuries happen because their sport is so physical that you just can't take tons of time off "whether it be your decision or not" and then jump right back at 100% because that's how injuries happen.

He wants to go back to the indie scene and isn't sure if he's allowed to do it yet.

He is asked who are the top 4 people that he will still geek out in meeting in wrestling. He says he doesn't really geek out because when he started there was a culture where you could not fanboy or wear another wrestler's shirt. Despite that he says he would geek out over Bret Hart.

He wants to have matches with Miro, Bryan Danielson, and Hangman Page. He says he's been with Eddie Kingston in many promotions and never had a match with him. Outside of AEW, he wants to have a match with Je'Von Evans and Trick Williams. In TNA, he would like to wrestle Chris Bey and Mike Bailey. All hypothetical, he just wants to run the gauntlet.

He thinks it's tough particularly within black male wrestlers that it hard to be noticed if you don't have a "certain" character. "You kinda have to be a rapper or some type of thug." meanwhile "white guys don't have to be cowboys.. They don't have to be hillbillies." He's had problems like that in his career. The highest form of compliment black male wrestlers get is that "they are great athletes." He then brings up Hangman Page and how great of an athlete he is but they don't say that. They say "he's a bad ass" or that Mox is a bad ass. He starts putting over MVP and Bobby Lashley as bad asses.

The hosts say Scorpio would be a perfect addition to the Hurt Business. "I didnt say that... you did." Kinda hinting that he wouldn't mind. Scorpio also gives a shoutout to Cedric and Shelton. He saw MVP as a main event character back in the day and thought WWE could've done more with the gimmick.

They bring up The Rock and how only his Samoan side is celebrated unless it's February. Scorpio then brings up that he wishes that non-black people would talk about Black History month and what it means to them rather than having black talent all the time talking about Black History Month. It's American history and if you show the audience only black talent talking about black history month, you're sending a message that black history month only matters to them and not everyone else.

The hosts suggest that Cody should do it. "I'm into racism again... I said AGAIN... here's my bi-racial baby...this is what black history means to me." LMAO sorry it was funny and the hosts were all joking in good fun.

Scorpio is asked what he thinks of Swerve's title run so far. Scorpio says he hasn't been watching and he shouldn't be saying that. Props to the host because he saves him without hesitation saying "Thats understandable, you want to go back to work and its hard to watch when you want to go back to work." Scorpio just watches a lot of sports, crime documentaries, and started watching Your Honor and the final season of Cobra Kai. He also loves 90 day Fiance and Love is Blind. Scorpio did want to add that he is very happy for Swerve and did see the Blood and Guts match and thought it was crazy.

Scorpio says he had a lot of input for his theme music but it is different with everyone. Mikey Rukus is very open to working with talent over their theme music.

He wants to tell amazing stories in the ring. He doesn't care about matches as much as telling great stories. He says people remember stories and moments. He says you can have a 5 star match with no story but people will forget about it because there will be another great match next week. Scorpio says you can have a 3 star match with storytelling that'll make it a 5 star wrestling match and that is more important to him. He brings up moments like HBK saying to "I'm sorry I love you" to Flair.

Scorpio would love to wrestle Kurt Angle and in any form (Kurt or Perc? asked by the hosts). He wishes he could wrestle Kurt Angle and John Cena.

One of his favorite matches was the ladder match with Sammy Guevara.

He has kept all of AEW titles including the Laker version of the TNT championship.

[The Captain]

Influencer Scorpio Sky is getting very close to Gamer Takes Scorpio Sky.

[CeilingFan]

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Aug 16, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

ROH is ROH. They're really not that notable any more. This thread is about the main event - AEW has never really had much of an issue strapping people of colour up everywhere except the top of the card.

And that one example of a show - which did feature multiple Samoans and a Puerto Rican in matches, just no black people - is not really reflective of the fact that WWE is still ahead on the 'non-white main eventer' stakes against AEW. That's not to say WWE is doing well. That's to point out that both promotions, while improving, are super behind on this.

Plus the issue, as we keep going over and over in this thread over the years, is not just 'non-white world champions' but also 'established non-white main eventers.'

[froggyfrog]

As someone who only got into AEW this February imagine my shock when I saw this thread for the first time and there are people 3 years ago on page 1 talking about Lee Moriarty as a potential AEW Main Eventer 😳


Was that just sheer speculation or was he being pushed like that? Because aside from his recent ROH Pure Title win all I’ve seen from him are Rampage losses as part of STP

[Schizo]

Aug 16, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

And how many black World Champions has WWE had overall?

[kidkamikaze10]

Aug 16, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

AEW still has room to do better, like elevating some of the younger non-white talent (hell, younger talent in general). The rise of Swerve is an industry wide anomaly, IMO. Few get things to work like he did.

But there is definitely a talk to be had about how Triple H books black talent. Less so HBK.

[ChitownKnight]

Aug 19, 2024 12:02:47 GMT -5 kidkamikaze10 said:

Aug 16, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

AEW still has room to do better, like elevating some of the younger non-white talent (hell, younger talent in general). The rise of Swerve is an industry wide anomaly, IMO. Few get things to work like he did.

But there is definitely a talk to be had about how Triple H books black talent. Less so HBK.

Bianca and Jade are doing well. I think Melo and Trick will be Rollins/Orton/Cena/Reigns type Main Eventers

[The Captain]

Aug 19, 2024 8:55:24 GMT -5 froggyfrog said:

As someone who only got into AEW this February imagine my shock when I saw this thread for the first time and there are people 3 years ago on page 1 talking about Lee Moriarty as a potential AEW Main Eventer 😳


Was that just sheer speculation or was he being pushed like that? Because aside from his recent ROH Pure Title win all I’ve seen from him are Rampage losses as part of STP

Lee is insanely talented and athletic and was a standout on the indies. It wasn't hard to think of him as a future main eventer once he signed at the time. Especially since he got attached to the Firm in what looked like a program with MJF. And then that didn't work out.

[CeilingFan]

Aug 19, 2024 11:48:46 GMT -5 Schizo said:

Aug 16, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

And how many black World Champions has WWE had overall?

5

[cjb01: Limited Edition Item!]

Aug 19, 2024 12:02:47 GMT -5 kidkamikaze10 said:

Aug 16, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

AEW still has room to do better, like elevating some of the younger non-white talent (hell, younger talent in general). The rise of Swerve is an industry wide anomaly, IMO. Few get things to work like he did.

But there is definitely a talk to be had about how Triple H books black talent. Less so HBK.

Honestly the real talk should not just be how HHH books black talent but the Mexican talent, that's maybe my most frustrating gripe with him booking wise. WWE sucked booking Mexican wrestlers not named Mysterio before, but HHH putting all of the Mexican talent in an endless heat death feud with one another for like a year straight that wound up helping like none of them that weren't a Mysterio made me want to put my head through a wall, and is a big reason I am not excited about the Lucha Bros run there until they show me otherwise.

[Dub H]

Aug 19, 2024 15:13:34 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

Aug 19, 2024 11:48:46 GMT -5 Schizo said:

And how many black World Champions has WWE had overall?

5

If you do the math,WWE had 5 World Champions and been around since 1980(being generous that was when vince took over and changed everything ) thats 40 years of being a wrestling company and they have had 5 Black World champions
,thats thats a black champion for a 8 year period

AEW has been around for 5 years with one black world champion,thats one black champion for a 5 years period

THE NUMBERS DONT LIE, AND THEY SPELL DOOM FOR WWE AT SACRIFICE

[cjb01: Limited Edition Item!]

I do genuinely believe Keith Lee would be an upper card champion by now if his health hadn't betrayed him as hard as it did. Khan seemed genuinely invested in trying to push him and for good reason. Thankfully Swerve rose to the top as well and has more then proven he deserved it

Lashley and the likely faction that follows will likely lead to another upper card black wrestler and faction, I can only hope when Hobbs is healthy he's also the same.

I wish they'd sign Calvin Tankman lol

[random420]

Aug 19, 2024 15:13:34 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

Aug 19, 2024 11:48:46 GMT -5 Schizo said:

And how many black World Champions has WWE had overall?

5

Actually 6

The Rock, Booker T, Mark Henry, Kofi, Big E and Bobby Lashley.

Rock, Kofi, Big E and Bobby won the WWE Championships while Booker and Mark won the World Championship.

Should be pointed out that Rock, Kofi, Big E and Bobby all had their reigns ended by Brock Lesnar too.

[Mozenrath]

Aug 19, 2024 19:52:43 GMT -5 random420 said:

Aug 19, 2024 15:13:34 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

5

Actually 6

The Rock, Booker T, Mark Henry, Kofi, Big E and Bobby Lashley.

Rock, Kofi, Big E and Bobby won the WWE Championships while Booker and Mark won the World Championship.

Should be pointed out that Rock, Kofi, Big E and Bobby all had their reigns ended by Brock Lesnar too.

There's also the ECW title and NXT's, though that really only adds a couple of names like Ezekiel Jackson, Carmelo Hayes, and Trick Williams. Most of the others, like Big E, have won one of the main roster world championships.

[dumpstermatchblues]

It seems like whatever AEW does, the numbers just suck. Which is a shame.

[kneejerk]

Aug 16, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

AEW/ROH now  has 3 Black Champions.

No  Black wrestler had a match at WWE SummerSlam.

Need I say more?

However WWE is currently packing large arenas while AEW is doing shows on E sports venues.

Apples and oranges but my point is this, WWE apparent lack of diversity hasn't hurt them in any way. You could almost argue the opposite.

To be clear I'm very much in favor of the diversity AEW has going on atm.

[daaave]

So the reason for AEW's decline in attendance is too many black people?