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Post by kneejerk on Aug 22, 2024 18:02:17 GMT -5
I wish I had the faintest idea of I'm what you're on about. He's saying that you made a post that can only reasonably be interpreted as "AEW is currently booking black wrestlers better than WWE, but WWE's crowds are getting way larger and AEW's are shrinking, so obviously having a black champion is hurting AEW's attendance." Following that up by saying it's "apples and oranges" and that you "support AEW's diversity" doesn't change the clear message of what you said. You were correct, AEW's purported attendance issues, truly, is an "apples and oranges" issue as compared to its booking of minority wrestlers. I know the urge is impossible to resist sometimes, but this was not the thread to pop in and tell us how WWE's is cooking™ while AEW circles the drain. That's not remotely true but, even if it were, it has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. That isn't remotely what I meant not in the ballpark of what I meant, not in the same galaxy not in the same universe or Omniverse. To suggest otherwise is a negligently gross misunderstanding. My remark was to infer AEW has the better diversity and WWE while a bit weaker in that area is doing well despite that. |
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Post by Hayabusa on Aug 22, 2024 18:02:32 GMT -5
A study last year showed AEW to have a smaller % of black viewers than WWE and even IMPACT, while having a comparable percentage of hispanic viewers. Would be interesting to see an update, if having a black world champion has helped attract black viewers. Plus the arrival of Mercedes Mone. There's not much positive evidence that Swerve has been a TV draw for AEW, even though I think he's been a good champion. But has he brought in black viewers to off-set others tuning out, or not? That's what I'd be interested to see in an update of this:  |
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 22, 2024 18:28:51 GMT -5
Haha wow who likes their own posts.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 22, 2024 18:33:32 GMT -5
He's saying that you made a post that can only reasonably be interpreted as "AEW is currently booking black wrestlers better than WWE, but WWE's crowds are getting way larger and AEW's are shrinking, so obviously having a black champion is hurting AEW's attendance." Following that up by saying it's "apples and oranges" and that you "support AEW's diversity" doesn't change the clear message of what you said. You were correct, AEW's purported attendance issues, truly, is an "apples and oranges" issue as compared to its booking of minority wrestlers. I know the urge is impossible to resist sometimes, but this was not the thread to pop in and tell us how WWE's is cooking™ while AEW circles the drain. That's not remotely true but, even if it were, it has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. That isn't remotely what I meant not in the ballpark of what I meant, not in the same galaxy not in the same universe or Omniverse. To suggest otherwise is a negligently gross misunderstanding. My remark was to infer AEW has the better diversity and WWE while a bit weaker in that area is doing well despite that. If that's what you were trying to say, then you really need to get better at your communication skills. I'm not trying to be mean or hostile, and am actually trying to be constructive. Pretty much everybody who read your post came away with the same conclusion about what you were trying to say, and if it's that massive of a misunderstanding of your intent by that many people that falls on the manner in which the idea was communicated, not on the people who misunderstood. In my estimation the part of it that kind of sank you is including "you could almost argue the opposite" at the end of your sentence about WWE's lack of diversity not hurting them. There aren't very many ways to read that, and most of them are not particularly good. I'm just saying you should probably think through the implications of what you're saying before you say it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just communicated what you were trying to say, in a way that came off incredibly not how you meant it. Just take it as a learning experience. |
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Post by kneejerk on Aug 22, 2024 18:59:22 GMT -5
That isn't remotely what I meant not in the ballpark of what I meant, not in the same galaxy not in the same universe or Omniverse. To suggest otherwise is a negligently gross misunderstanding. My remark was to infer AEW has the better diversity and WWE while a bit weaker in that area is doing well despite that. If that's what you were trying to say, then you really need to get better at your communication skills. I'm not trying to be mean or hostile, and am actually trying to be constructive. Pretty much everybody who read your post came away with the same conclusion about what you were trying to say, and if it's that massive of a misunderstanding of your intent by that many people that falls on the manner in which the idea was communicated, not on the people who misunderstood. In my estimation the part of it that kind of sank you is including "you could almost argue the opposite" at the end of your sentence about WWE's lack of diversity not hurting them. There aren't very many ways to read that, and most of them are not particularly good. I'm just saying you should probably think through the implications of what you're saying before you say it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just communicated what you were trying to say, in a way that came off incredibly not how you meant it. Just take it as a learning experience. Fair enough. Others could take a not from your example of finding out what a person meant before jumping on them. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Aug 22, 2024 19:09:08 GMT -5
If that's what you were trying to say, then you really need to get better at your communication skills. I'm not trying to be mean or hostile, and am actually trying to be constructive. Pretty much everybody who read your post came away with the same conclusion about what you were trying to say, and if it's that massive of a misunderstanding of your intent by that many people that falls on the manner in which the idea was communicated, not on the people who misunderstood. In my estimation the part of it that kind of sank you is including "you could almost argue the opposite" at the end of your sentence about WWE's lack of diversity not hurting them. There aren't very many ways to read that, and most of them are not particularly good. I'm just saying you should probably think through the implications of what you're saying before you say it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just communicated what you were trying to say, in a way that came off incredibly not how you meant it. Just take it as a learning experience. Fair enough. Others could take a not from your example of finding out what a person meant before jumping on them. "WWE are running stadiums while AEW are running E Sports Venues" is inherently a snarky and tribalistic sounding comment even if you take out the fact it sounded really f***ing bad in the context you put it in. You also did nothing to clear it up and instead went "What are you blabbering on about?" to one poster and not the other five who got the exact same idea from your post, while you also keep liking your own posts which... why are you doing that? It always seems to easy to blame everyone else when you make an easily misconstrued statement and then do nothing to clarify what the f*** you actually meant, I'm not trying to "jump on you" here, but if enough people are getting the wrong idea... tell them it's the wrong idea in a calm manner, you didn't, so the thread spiraled, justifiably so given what the implication was I hope that's something you can take moving forward so you don't fall into that trap again |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Aug 22, 2024 19:10:49 GMT -5
Liking your own posts really is the cherry on top of the shit sundae you whipped up for yourself in this thread man. Yeesh. Also Collision's venue was awesome, almost everyone said the atmosphere was awesome, and AEW made money on the stay that the venue WANTED them to have (Gave them a good deal and everything), there was literally zero negative about them running there for a month, but you sure tried to find one and dug a hole all the way to China in the process, congrats? Whatever is in the pipe you two are sharing I would recommend putting it down. The entire f***ing thread said the same thing to you, but me and jm are apparently on drugs? Real cool projection there. Really makes me want to interact with you further and give you the benefit of the doubt... |
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Post by chazraps on Aug 22, 2024 19:33:54 GMT -5
If that's what you were trying to say, then you really need to get better at your communication skills. I'm not trying to be mean or hostile, and am actually trying to be constructive. Pretty much everybody who read your post came away with the same conclusion about what you were trying to say, and if it's that massive of a misunderstanding of your intent by that many people that falls on the manner in which the idea was communicated, not on the people who misunderstood. In my estimation the part of it that kind of sank you is including "you could almost argue the opposite" at the end of your sentence about WWE's lack of diversity not hurting them. There aren't very many ways to read that, and most of them are not particularly good. I'm just saying you should probably think through the implications of what you're saying before you say it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just communicated what you were trying to say, in a way that came off incredibly not how you meant it. Just take it as a learning experience. Fair enough. Others could take a not from your example of finding out what a person meant before jumping on them. You really didn't give much room for interpretation. Just apologize for posting something that was so easily interpreted as racist, say you'll be more mindful of it and move on instead of trying to take shots at your critics. Sidenote, are you related to the other poster who used to be here that had "Knee-" in their name? |
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Aug 22, 2024 19:39:15 GMT -5
Haha wow who likes their own posts. Didn't realize we could like our own posts. I'm about to start liking the hell out of my posts from now on |
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Post by The Captain on Aug 22, 2024 20:11:54 GMT -5
The new troll accounts have been really low effort.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 22, 2024 20:13:40 GMT -5
If that's what you were trying to say, then you really need to get better at your communication skills. I'm not trying to be mean or hostile, and am actually trying to be constructive. Pretty much everybody who read your post came away with the same conclusion about what you were trying to say, and if it's that massive of a misunderstanding of your intent by that many people that falls on the manner in which the idea was communicated, not on the people who misunderstood. In my estimation the part of it that kind of sank you is including "you could almost argue the opposite" at the end of your sentence about WWE's lack of diversity not hurting them. There aren't very many ways to read that, and most of them are not particularly good. I'm just saying you should probably think through the implications of what you're saying before you say it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just communicated what you were trying to say, in a way that came off incredibly not how you meant it. Just take it as a learning experience. Fair enough. Others could take a not from your example of finding out what a person meant before jumping on them. I think you're kind of misunderstanding my point here. I came to the same conclusion everybody else in the thread did, I just chose not to engage because it seemed like a fruitless endeavor and I didn't want to add to the hostility, the reason I'm getting involved now is because I see the chance for a productive dialogue, and a chance to deescalate the situation. My point was that you made an error in how you chose to communicate the point that you made, and people reacted negatively to it. So just take a moment to reflect on why people got so upset, with what they thought you said, why they thought you said that, and just make adjustments for the future. Right now, you're still in the situation, so you're feeling defensive. Take a step back and breathe. There's no sense in continuing a fight over something you didn't mean to say. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2024 21:05:15 GMT -5
A lot of kneejerk reactions in this thread.
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Post by jm on Aug 22, 2024 21:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by khali on Aug 22, 2024 21:38:01 GMT -5
I just want to comment in this thread so I can like my own reply.
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Post by jm on Aug 22, 2024 21:44:27 GMT -5
I just want to comment in this thread so I can like my own reply. I just want to reply to your comment so I can like my own reply. |
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Post by Soultastic on Aug 22, 2024 21:58:59 GMT -5
Back on topic, I really wanted Fenix or Penta to be champ by now but in retrospect it probably was for the best they didn't win it.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 22, 2024 23:43:15 GMT -5
I just want to comment in this thread so I can like my own reply. I just want to reply to your comment so I can like my own reply. Iiiiiiiiiiiii just want to fly. Put your arms around me baby. Put your arms around me baby. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 23, 2024 5:33:09 GMT -5
A study last year showed AEW to have a smaller % of black viewers than WWE and even IMPACT, while having a comparable percentage of hispanic viewers. Would be interesting to see an update, if having a black world champion has helped attract black viewers. Plus the arrival of Mercedes Mone. There's not much positive evidence that Swerve has been a TV draw for AEW, even though I think he's been a good champion. But has he brought in black viewers to off-set others tuning out, or not? That's what I'd be interested to see in an update of this: Hes been the one of the guys getting consistently good ratings when he's on |
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 23, 2024 5:35:20 GMT -5
If that's what you were trying to say, then you really need to get better at your communication skills. I'm not trying to be mean or hostile, and am actually trying to be constructive. Pretty much everybody who read your post came away with the same conclusion about what you were trying to say, and if it's that massive of a misunderstanding of your intent by that many people that falls on the manner in which the idea was communicated, not on the people who misunderstood. In my estimation the part of it that kind of sank you is including "you could almost argue the opposite" at the end of your sentence about WWE's lack of diversity not hurting them. There aren't very many ways to read that, and most of them are not particularly good. I'm just saying you should probably think through the implications of what you're saying before you say it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just communicated what you were trying to say, in a way that came off incredibly not how you meant it. Just take it as a learning experience. Fair enough. Others could take a not from your example of finding out what a person meant before jumping on them. What's up Max we missed you |
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 23, 2024 9:35:02 GMT -5
Fair enough. Others could take a not from your example of finding out what a person meant before jumping on them. What's up Max we missed you Wait, is that poster Kneelift?? |
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