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Post by MrElijah on Nov 24, 2022 12:20:42 GMT -5
The "land of the giants" is gone and dead Your basic heavyweight is a 6'1 or 6'2 guy with a good body. The Braun Strowman, Omos guys are few and few between and your muscle guys are Drew McIntyre, Hobbs etc. The biggest difference is muscle mass but that really isn't the end all be all. Starks is in good shape and can get in great shape as he continues to train his body. Look at MJF now compared to AEW Day 1. Focusing on size and body is old news and something that has been dead since the 90's Kofi doesn't fit the body guy mold, he's plain and simple and one of the most decorated wrestlers ever Just looking up the list of the WWF Champions and most of the guys are between 5'10-6'2 with Hogan, Taker, Sid, Kane, Show, JBL, Nash being the only ones 6'8 or taller. HHH, Billy Graham, Rock, Dave, Orton, Yoko, Roman, Drew, Sheamus & Brock being in the 6'4-6'6 range. And guess who has all the long year plus runs? The guys on the shorter end outside of Hogan & Roman. Size isn't a damn thing in this business unless you draw. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 24, 2022 12:22:15 GMT -5
The "land of the giants" is gone and dead Your basic heavyweight is a 6'1 or 6'2 guy with a good body. The Braun Strowman, Omos guys are few and few between and your muscle guys are Drew McIntyre, Hobbs etc. The biggest difference is muscle mass but that really isn't the end all be all. Starks is in good shape and can get in great shape as he continues to train his body. Look at MJF now compared to AEW Day 1. Focusing on size and body is old news and something that has been dead since the 90's Kofi doesn't fit the body guy mold, he's plain and simple and one of the most decorated wrestlers ever And ironically, the 90's is when wrestling was at its peak. Ever since they started focusing on smaller guys, it's done nothing but decline. The thing is, internet fans don't like admitting this because they "relate" more to guys who look like them. In reality, fans don't pay to see guys who look like them. They want guys that look and act larger than life. AEW might "get by" but it will never be groundbreaking doing what it's doing. And to be honest, neither will WWE right now. They're making the same mistakes. I could walk up the street and see a guy who looks just like Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens for example. But I can't remember the last time I saw somebody who looked like Batista. WWE now makes more money than it ever has (and not just in TV rights, in live gates as well). So no, the business is not hurting financially in any way because of the size of wrestlers and the lack of the so-called casual fan that doesn’t really exist in any sizable amount. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 24, 2022 12:22:47 GMT -5
It wasn’t the size of the wrestler, it was the size of the personality that mattered. Hogan and Warriors personality isn't worth shit if they were built like your next door neighbour. Deep down, everyone knows this. It was the whole package that drew the money. Too many wrestlers don't put the work in the gym. I promise you wrestlers today don’t look like your neighbor. I still don’t think you watch much modern wrestling, either. Most everyday folks, not actual fighters, but most folks, would get their ass beat by Ricky Starks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 12:28:26 GMT -5
Hogan and Warriors personality isn't worth shit if they were built like your next door neighbour. Deep down, everyone knows this. It was the whole package that drew the money. Too many wrestlers don't put the work in the gym. I promise you wrestlers today don’t look like your neighbor. I still don’t think you watch much modern wrestling, either. Most everyday folks, not actual fighters, but most folks, would get their ass beat by Ricky Starks. Most guys in my gym are in better shape than most of the top wrestlers today. It wouldn't exactly be difficult. Do you think the Young Bucks, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Jungle Boy, Sammy Guevara etc are in tremendous shape? Basically any guy in my gym who weighs about 200lbs and has a six pack and broad shoulders looks more like a wrestler than these guys. Anyway, this is a discussion for another thread. Half of this conversation isn't even about racial diversity. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 24, 2022 12:28:51 GMT -5
Love when someone tries the hypothetical stuff like "if Starks was across the ring from Hogan in the 90s." Wrestling evolves over the years, as does what fans consider to be cool or whatever.
On top of that Wrestlers have always come in all different sizes. Rey Mysterio is one of the most popular wrestlers ever, Mankind wasn't a bodybuilder and had one of the most iconic title wins ever, Dusty Rhodes entire gimmick relied upon being a blue collar man and looked like one.
Even if the Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan were able to be cloned and reintroduced as they were in their primes, the ratings wouldn't magically soar back to Attitude Era peaks. It doesn't work like that anymore. There's too many options for people and too many people have cut the cord to ever have those kinds of ratings for wrestling again.
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Post by 06vwgti on Nov 24, 2022 12:33:27 GMT -5
Basically Negan (with a Trademark) wants to return to the era when big tallish guys like Billy Gunn and Dustin Rhodes were considered normal sized to the point they feel small in the attitude era by those standards...
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 24, 2022 12:34:10 GMT -5
It wasn’t the size of the wrestler, it was the size of the personality that mattered. Exactly. I live in Dublin, I could go to any pub tonight and find a dozen Stone Colds walking around with bald heads and goatees but what made Steve Austin Steve Austin was his attitude and fire that got the crowds on side and that look made him relatable to most people because, like, THEY were a Steve Austin or they knew a Steve Austin and this guy, like them, was kicking his boss’ ass on a weekly basis. That was right place, right time that the company hasn’t gotten since. I mean a large part of why Austin resonated, and still does, with so many is BECAUSE he looked like any guy off the street |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 24, 2022 12:46:57 GMT -5
I saw this and thought it could lighten things up:
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Post by Gawk Rivers on Nov 24, 2022 12:55:07 GMT -5
HOW IS THIS HAPPENING AGAIN DUDE IS IN GREAT SHAPE 😭
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Post by Kalmia on Nov 24, 2022 12:57:45 GMT -5
Can we not derail an important thread about racial diversity in AEW with another circular argument about body size and muscle mass?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 24, 2022 13:07:04 GMT -5
Anyway Ricky Starks is a megastar and he's an obvious great example of a guy who could be at the top of the company. He's over with people who matter and what someone's imaginary friends think of him is irrelevant. Give him a big push and see what he can do against MJF, trial run this guy in the top of the card and hell maybe give him the TNT title or something some time next year. Just push Ricky. They have something special with Ricky. It's obvious they have something special with Ricky because I haven't had my eyes stolen by a witch and am just blindly yelling out words to cover up that behind my shades are empty sockets. Hobbs vs. Starks should reconnect as a world title feud when next they meet and it's going to be awesome when it does. It'll also be, as this thread is supposed to be about if we can still have nice things, a big step in the evolution of the company and its diversity at the top level.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 24, 2022 13:13:56 GMT -5
Anyway Ricky Starks is a megastar and he's an obvious great example of a guy who could be at the top of the company. He's over with people who matter and what someone's imaginary friends think of him is irrelevant. Give him a big push and see what he can do against MJF, trial run this guy in the top of the card and hell maybe give him the TNT title or something some time next year. Just push Ricky. They have something special with Ricky. It's obvious they have something special with Ricky because I haven't had my eyes stolen by a witch and am just blindly yelling out words to cover up that behind my shades are empty sockets. Hobbs vs. Starks should reconnect as a world title feud when next they meet and it's going to be awesome when it does. It'll also be, as this thread is supposed to be about if we can still have nice things, a big step in the evolution of the company and its diversity at the top level. He’s truly so good. I didn’t totally get it until I saw Rampage/Full Gear. Now I’m totally sold. |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 24, 2022 13:24:58 GMT -5
Anyway, this is a discussion for another thread. Half of this conversation isn't even about racial diversity. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO f***ING DERAILED IT WITH YOUR MUSCLE FETISH! Good lord. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 24, 2022 14:27:39 GMT -5
It wasn’t the size of the wrestler, it was the size of the personality that mattered. Hogan and Warriors personality isn't worth shit if they were built like your next door neighbour. Deep down, everyone knows this. It was the whole package that drew the money. Too many wrestlers don't put the work in the gym. No its qualities YOU look for in a wrestler. Im really tired of you trying to push YOUR views and trying to say its what the casuals want. Bro if you wouldve said thats what you prefer thats fine, but you keep trying to shove down that people prefer those views when you're just projexting. Just ****ing stop your posts same the same BS all the time and you have the inability to understand the room, the inability to read peoples views, and laughably try to compare yourself to Ricky Starks. When does it end? |
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Post by Dub H on Nov 24, 2022 14:37:31 GMT -5
Boy I am sure happy to celebrate Ricky's Success and the increase of racial dive-  |
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Post by Gawk Rivers on Nov 24, 2022 14:42:53 GMT -5
BOY DON'T EVEN TRY TO TOUCH THIS
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Post by pinja on Nov 24, 2022 14:44:00 GMT -5
This may put some things into perspective: There was a time when I did both bodybuilding and (amateur) wrestling. It was a short time, because I soon realized that the fatique from lifting weights four days a week wrecked my body for wrestling. So I continued by only doing the bare minimum weight lifting. I lost muscle mass, didn't look as impressive, but also my lower back wouldn't hurt from every hip toss and I generally performed better at wrestling.
When I stopped wrestling, I got back into a bodybuilding routine, because I could physically afford it again. I don't know how so many wrestlers can have the bodies they have while still wrestling, but I would for sure not recommend trying it.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 24, 2022 15:23:14 GMT -5
This may put some things into perspective: There was a time when I did both bodybuilding and (amateur) wrestling. It was a short time, because I soon realized that the fatique from lifting weights four days a week wrecked my body for wrestling. So I continued by only doing the bare minimum weight lifting. I lost muscle mass, didn't look as impressive, but also my lower back wouldn't hurt from every hip toss and I generally performed better at wrestling. When I stopped wrestling, I got back into a bodybuilding routine, because I could physically afford it again. I don't know how so many wrestlers can have the bodies they have while still wrestling, but I would for sure not recommend trying it. I do Bouldering and there is a few similarities with wrestling I would say, especially "taking bumps". And you do not want a body full os muscles, it is so much better to not only move around if you have a lean body with well defined muscles, but the impact when falling down is much less dangerous. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 24, 2022 16:58:16 GMT -5
There's a reason Starks draws comparisons to Rock in terms of how he presents himself. He has that ability to get the crowd in the palm of his hand, which is one of the most important attributes for a wrestler to have. Starks has comparisons to The Rock because he looks and dresses like him. In terms of charisma or talent, he's nowhere near. Rock had more size aswell. He was believable as a main eventer, facing the likes of Kane, Big Show and Taker. People can say what they want but I am never buying that this guy could beat the likes of Hobbs, Archer and Cage. And neither were my casual friends who in their words said "That's embarrassing" when Archer lost. Imagine what the rest of the casuals are thinking when they tune in and watch AEW for the first time? If AEW want to grow their brand, that's who they need to be impressing after all. Negan, I am begging you, an entire thread got locked over how hard so many people disagree with you about this There are thousands of screaming fans for Ricky Starks, have you considered that believability isn't objective? |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 24, 2022 17:18:43 GMT -5
I know people weren't too happy with Hobbs smashing him and shit, but it did a really good job of putting a lot of sympathy onto Starks that he parlayed into this great underdog tournament run. Hopefully he's 'healed up' in kayfabe for the MJF match, even if I fully suspect he won't be/he'll get attacked again, but they've done a great job at transitioning him into a sympathetic face who is perfectly primed for MJF to get booed against. For as much as the crowd has cheered MJF lately, I have the fullest faith that Ricky will get MJF booed and that that should be a big proving moment for him in the eyes of the company. This should be the kind of push where he ends up higher on the card than he was when he started it.
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