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Post by fg on Sept 21, 2021 17:25:29 GMT -5
…didn’t have C. Mountgomery Burns rejecting the scripts and forcing them to alter scripts for shows with very little time left? How much better would the show be if said person didn’t force his writers to write on-the-fly versus in advance?
I swear Vince is just like Mr. Burns. His company is going down (in Vince’s case morally) and he is the cause of it.
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 21, 2021 18:02:38 GMT -5
I think the entire dynamic is mortally corrupt. It's not just Vince being capricious; it's the writing team deliberately selected not to be fans of WWE or of wrestling being forced to put out volumes of content like the infinite monkeys trying to type out _Hamlet_, only to be filtered through various "producers" with a third-grade education "adding value" to the scripts before passing them to Vince, who immediately throws it out and demands Bulwer-Lytton. There's an entire network of mediocrity in service of "the brand."
Creatively, it's bereft of meaning because Vince says so, but also because those around him haven't the courage to fight for their ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 18:10:53 GMT -5
I do not even know who the current writers are but like pointed out they probably are part of the problem because of how WWE selects writers..making sure they know very little about wrestling , making sure they are not fans etc. Meanwhile in the boyle heights writers room.  |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 21, 2021 18:12:40 GMT -5
If you're not a fan of wrestling, but you know stories and characters, that is a-okay. The problem is Vince, 100%, period.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 21, 2021 18:12:54 GMT -5
I think a lot of them would probably need to unlearn a lot of weird things Vince has made them internalize about wrestling. In the Kross thread, an interview with a writer had him mention that they were trying to do something with Kross not having Scarlett by his side and that being why he lost, and said it's 'not about the matches'. I think even if you take Vince out of the picture, there's a lot of damage he's done with what he's taught these outsiders wrestling is that is going to hold them back a lot.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 21, 2021 18:35:45 GMT -5
I think a lot of them would probably need to unlearn a lot of weird things Vince has made them internalize about wrestling. In the Kross thread, an interview with a writer had him mention that they were trying to do something with Kross not having Scarlett by his side and that being why he lost, and said it's 'not about the matches'. I think even if you take Vince out of the picture, there's a lot of damage he's done with what he's taught these outsiders wrestling is that is going to hold them back a lot. I think back to that Moxley podcast a lot-- like the WWE he described working in is just such a mess of structures and corporate entanglements with Vince as a bottleneck albatross at the top, like if Vince just quit WWE there'd still be all the bad structures he put in place that make content at the end of the day, but are madness for the people making it. It also reminds me of what Paul Wight said about the differences in working with WWE and AEW recently: They're still gonna be making billions of business dollars because they business businessed their business, but the corporate structure makes it a really rough one for creative people to stay in (and not just like creative team, like people who are creative) |
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Post by warden on Sept 21, 2021 18:40:54 GMT -5
They'd probably write the blurst of storylines
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Post by Chiral on Sept 21, 2021 18:50:44 GMT -5
Oooh you know what I bet, I think Miz and Mrs. is a good look at what WWE writers would do fully unchained from Vince given how they hire lots of sitcom writers. It'd be like lighter sitcom type stuff but they hire a lot of sitcom writers so yeah. Miz and Mrs. is fun so it'd be a new boom period for WWE for me personally
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 21, 2021 19:30:53 GMT -5
I think a lot of them would probably need to unlearn a lot of weird things Vince has made them internalize about wrestling. In the Kross thread, an interview with a writer had him mention that they were trying to do something with Kross not having Scarlett by his side and that being why he lost, and said it's 'not about the matches'. I think even if you take Vince out of the picture, there's a lot of damage he's done with what he's taught these outsiders wrestling is that is going to hold them back a lot. I think back to that Moxley podcast a lot-- like the WWE he described working in is just such a mess of structures and corporate entanglements with Vince as a bottleneck albatross at the top, like if Vince just quit WWE there'd still be all the bad structures he put in place that make content at the end of the day, but are madness for the people making it. It also reminds me of what Paul Wight said about the differences in working with WWE and AEW recently: They're still gonna be making billions of business dollars because they business businessed their business, but the corporate structure makes it a really rough one for creative people to stay in (and not just like creative team, like people who are creative) I actually wonder how WWE's systems will go when Vince is gone. Not because I think it'll get upended right away, but because it all reads like a system Vince has set up to best befit Vince and Vince's style and Vince's weird headgames. Whether he's bought out or hands the company down to executives who split all the Vince duties up, there's still no longer a central figure who can decisively make every decision, and I think that ends up making the system so much clumsier to navigate. We already see what a weird, unexplained, "people saying different things and clearly none of them know for sure" mess the NXT reboot has been. That's going to be just everyday operations for the company without him to direct traffic. |
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Post by freeze Austin on Sept 22, 2021 10:22:30 GMT -5
Probably better, but I'm not a big fan of writers in wrestling in general. Have a loose outline of where you want a story to begin and end, make adjustments if something or someone starts to get over, and give the wrestlers some key points to focus on in their promos but don't over-script them.
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Post by eJm on Sept 22, 2021 10:28:26 GMT -5
I'm not asking for this to happen but considering the extensive budget cuts WWE's done across all sectors of the company, I have no idea why the writers room is still as big as it is.
Like, most of them are just people in between gigs or not much else to go (one won an Emmy during her time as a writer so...) and it's not like they've been credited or seen as important to the company's success so I'm surprised that they still have the high numbers they do when you'd have thought they'd cut it by at least half.
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Post by sportatorium on Sept 22, 2021 11:04:06 GMT -5
A major problem is the writers don't really know wrestling or how to work with it. It gets exacerbated with Vince because he does know wrestling, and knows some things won't work, but he seems to not want wrestling stuff in there. It's self defeating and will never actually work.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 22, 2021 11:15:22 GMT -5
A major problem is the writers don't really know wrestling or how to work with it. It gets exacerbated with Vince because he does know wrestling, and knows some things won't work, but he seems to not want wrestling stuff in there. It's self defeating and will never actually work. Its like when Vince Russo booked a wargames style match in TNA where the faces won the coin toss. Because its so predictable that the heels always win. Yes it is, but the match only really works when the heels have the advantage. Doing it another way just to shake things up only results in an unsatisfying match. Which long term ruins the draw of the match. WCW failed because they never had to draw money. They were protected by Ted Turner. TNA never drew money as they had a billionaire funding them to keep his daughter busy. WWE now does not have to draw money as they have a base amount of fans that never leave giving them leverage for desperate networks. |
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 23, 2021 18:37:10 GMT -5
WWE now does not have to draw money as they have a base amount of fans that never leave giving them leverage for desperate networks. WWE no longer has to draw money as they have billion-dollar TV deals with two major network conglomerates willing to continue paying as long as they can keep a baseline number of viewers. The problem, of course, is that viewership numbers are declining for WWE as a whole and their baseline is falling lower and lower. |
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Post by fortknox on Sept 23, 2021 19:15:37 GMT -5
If you're not a fan of wrestling, but you know stories and characters, that is a-okay. The problem is Vince, 100%, period. Right and I've got two words for you, Chris Kreski. |
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Post by fg on Sept 23, 2021 19:24:45 GMT -5
If you're not a fan of wrestling, but you know stories and characters, that is a-okay. The problem is Vince, 100%, period. Right and I've got two words for you, Chris Kreski. This irks me. Chris Kreski had this great idea. He became the first wrestling writer (to my knowledge) to use storyboards (a VERY complex version of notes) to help maintain continuity. Despite the fact that this helped WWE, he was mocked for it. Vince said that no wrestling writers use storyboards and when Chris left, Stephanie was put in charge with no storyboards. End result? The show has suffered. Lesson to be learned here. Never mess with success no matter what. |
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Post by Mecca on Sept 23, 2021 19:43:22 GMT -5
Right and I've got two words for you, Chris Kreski. This irks me. Chris Kreski had this great idea. He became the first wrestling writer (to my knowledge) to use storyboards (a VERY complex version of notes) to help maintain continuity. Despite the fact that this helped WWE, he was mocked for it. Vince said that no wrestling writers use storyboards and when Chris left, Stephanie was put in charge with no storyboards. End result? The show has suffered. Lesson to be learned here. Never mess with success no matter what. It's brilliant to mock people for having good ideas. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 23, 2021 22:30:53 GMT -5
Anything is better without Vince's input.
He hasn't had a good idea since the Mega Powers.
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Post by Woo on Sept 25, 2021 7:09:40 GMT -5
Vince is terrible and has lucked into almost every success he has ever had. You could have Shakespeare, Jane Austen and Dickens on the writing team but with Vince at the helm it will always be poor.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 25, 2021 7:21:43 GMT -5
I think its tough to say. I know Vince has final say but I so am pretty convinced that he's only hands on with a key few acts.
You clearly have some writers who are very talented but you also have writers who don't know or understand the product so I think it'd still be a mixed bag
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