Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on May 19, 2022 5:51:11 GMT -5
They're targeting Whales in Wales, maybe somebody confused those two things at some point.
WWE's weird, able to potentially reach more people than ever but increasingly interested in targeting a small section of whales that will keep paying that premium. Wonder if there'll come a point both those they're targeting and those excluded will feel undervalued as a fan and give up.
Like those that paid a premium for the anniversary raw at the Manhattan centre and basically watched the show on a screen.
I think they really have to put on a top tier show.
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Post by avenger on May 19, 2022 7:03:15 GMT -5
But I imagine there are some slightly nervous executives worrying about the fact that their "more pre-sales registrations than seats in the venue" hasn't translated into "immediate sellout". Pre-sales never translate into immediate sell-out - not all of the seats would have been on sale in the pre-sale, some tickets are always held back. Maybe as few as 5%, maybe as many as 95%. But you can't have the headlines that every promoter craves with the "the event sold out within x minutes" if you don't reach the on sale date. Way overpriced though. £40 is more than I'd be prepared to pay for an event that may be treated as throwaway.
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ssdrivin
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Post by ssdrivin on May 19, 2022 7:15:28 GMT -5
Pre-sales never translate into immediate sell-out - not all of the seats would have been on sale in the pre-sale, some tickets are always held back. Maybe as few as 5%, maybe as many as 95%. But you can't have the headlines that every promoter craves with the "the event sold out within x minutes" if you don't reach the on sale date. Way overpriced though. £40 is more than I'd be prepared to pay for an event that may be treated as throwaway. Sure, but it seemed like expectations were probably pretty high because of the rarity of such an event, despite ticket prices (which nobody knew beforehand), and news of more people signing up for pre-sales than there were seats in the stadium... and then, when the premium packages went on sale, everybody noped out in a hurry, then the pre-sales for regular tickets had people doing the same because they couldn't see tickets for sensible prices. There are people on Twitter right now believing that there's no such thing as a ticket that costs less than £200 or so who have just given up. Others who have tickets but are finding out that nearly the same seats are or have been selling for less than they paid. Others again who are finding out that better seats than they've got are cheaper. The whole thing's an opaque, inconsistent, off-putting mess. So although I agree that it's very very rare that pre-sales are going to sell out the entire place, I think they've probably done a lot of damage to the rate the currently available tickets have been selling, just through word of mouth of people discussing how ludicrous the prices (they've seen available) are and Ticketmaster's website being a steaming pile. Edit: £40 is a bit much, certainly, the same seats at other events would likely be cheaper (perhaps even much cheaper), but at least for me I figured it was just something to do, a nice excuse to go out and have a bit of fun, centred around an event I'm interested in. Haven't really got much planned for this year, and after the past couple of years I think it's time to do something about that. Luckily I'm in a position where £40 isn't much of a hardship (though I appreciate that's not true for everyone, as it wasn't true for me not so long ago), I certainly understand peoples' frustration though. If I'd been presented only with tickets in the £200+ range I wouldn't be going either, that's an absurd amount of money for anything but really good seats. Even the £40 does feel like they're taking the mickey, I'm just choosing, for the sake of allowing myself to schedule in something fun to look forward to, to overlook that it's twice the price it should be.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 19, 2022 7:27:03 GMT -5
Progress has a show the next day in Cardiff and their front row tickets are usually £40 at most. Go to that instead.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 19, 2022 7:28:26 GMT -5
Should be said, I think the show itself ticket wise is going to be fine and likely do really well. It's just some of this right now feels like we could have been talking about something wildly different instead of what we are right now.
But with the price it has, as others have said, they need to make it a big deal or else you'll put the focus directly back on this conversation again.
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ssdrivin
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Post by ssdrivin on May 19, 2022 7:37:30 GMT -5
Progress has a show the next day in Cardiff and their front row tickets are usually £40 at most. Go to that instead. I appreciate the angle that "there are other promotions who aren't trying to swallow your entire wallet whole", but I think that rather misses the point of what people want out of this show. It's WWE, which to many people is wrestling, it's at a stadium, it's a big deal, with names they know and love. I did casually consider going to that Progress show actually, having learnt it was on the same weekend, but that would've been in addition to WWE, not instead of - no offense to Progress, but I'm probably not travelling to Cardiff just to see them, it's just not that kind of a big deal.
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Post by msc on May 19, 2022 9:42:57 GMT -5
If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I'm not, I'd assume the prices are that stupidly expensive (in the UK's largest inflation crisis for 40 years, fact fans) so that the show specifically DOES NOT SELL OUT and that can be used as proof that overseas PPV are failures. A political hit, if you will.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 19, 2022 9:47:05 GMT -5
If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I'm not, I'd assume the prices are that stupidly expensive (in the UK's largest inflation crisis for 40 years, fact fans) so that the show specifically DOES NOT SELL OUT and that can be used as proof that overseas PPV are failures. A political hit, if you will. I just can't see someone as budget cut heavy as Nick Khan (because you also have to remember, a lot of divisions were cut down during the same cuts) going for that idea and risking some of the deals like with BT Sport and the like all for the sake of doing something that'd be better served just for saying "We're not taking the risk" and waiting for a bit. Like, I'm as cynical about WWE as anyone but I can't see the logic about also eroding that territory either?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 19, 2022 9:50:38 GMT -5
If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I'm not, I'd assume the prices are that stupidly expensive (in the UK's largest inflation crisis for 40 years, fact fans) so that the show specifically DOES NOT SELL OUT and that can be used as proof that overseas PPV are failures. A political hit, if you will. I just can't see someone as budget cut heavy as Nick Khan (because you also have to remember, a lot of divisions were cut down during the same cuts) going for that idea and risking some of the deals like with BT Sport and the like all for the sake of doing something that'd be better served just for saying "We're not taking the risk" and waiting for a bit. Like, I'm as cynical about WWE as anyone but I can't see the logic about also eroding that territory either? Yeah, there's no world in which it makes sense. This is WWE either overstepping and pricing folks out or it's a situation where they'll sell a good chunk of seats, lower the prices slightly and then sell the rest of the place out. You hear Khan talk about global expansion all the time, they're not going to do something to prove it doesn't work.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 19, 2022 9:54:19 GMT -5
I just can't see someone as budget cut heavy as Nick Khan (because you also have to remember, a lot of divisions were cut down during the same cuts) going for that idea and risking some of the deals like with BT Sport and the like all for the sake of doing something that'd be better served just for saying "We're not taking the risk" and waiting for a bit. Like, I'm as cynical about WWE as anyone but I can't see the logic about also eroding that territory either? Yeah, there's no world in which it makes sense. This is WWE either overstepping and pricing folks out or it's a situation where they'll sell a good chunk of seats, lower the prices slightly and then sell the rest of the place out. You hear Khan talk about global expansion all the time, they're not going to do something to prove it doesn't work. Exactly, it's much easier for me to believe it's a misguided idea from people who could afford the tickets at those prices because, well, a lot of misguided decisions came from that logic.
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Post by msc on May 19, 2022 10:00:45 GMT -5
If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I'm not, I'd assume the prices are that stupidly expensive (in the UK's largest inflation crisis for 40 years, fact fans) so that the show specifically DOES NOT SELL OUT and that can be used as proof that overseas PPV are failures. A political hit, if you will. I just can't see someone as budget cut heavy as Nick Khan (because you also have to remember, a lot of divisions were cut down during the same cuts) going for that idea and risking some of the deals like with BT Sport and the like all for the sake of doing something that'd be better served just for saying "We're not taking the risk" and waiting for a bit. Like, I'm as cynical about WWE as anyone but I can't see the logic about also eroding that territory either? Oh I should stress (as I thought the first line implied, my bad) that you should never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 19, 2022 10:13:51 GMT -5
I just can't see someone as budget cut heavy as Nick Khan (because you also have to remember, a lot of divisions were cut down during the same cuts) going for that idea and risking some of the deals like with BT Sport and the like all for the sake of doing something that'd be better served just for saying "We're not taking the risk" and waiting for a bit. Like, I'm as cynical about WWE as anyone but I can't see the logic about also eroding that territory either? Oh I should stress (as I thought the first line implied, my bad) that you should never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence. Oh, I wasn’t attributing stuff to you personally because others have seen it as well. Just pointing out how full of holes it is and, like you said, it’s more likely nobody in WWE knew about the living crisis than anything too grand.
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Post by avenger on May 19, 2022 13:41:46 GMT -5
Oh I should stress (as I thought the first line implied, my bad) that you should never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence. Oh, I wasn’t attributing stuff to you personally because others have seen it as well. Just pointing out how full of holes it is and, like you said, it’s more likely nobody in WWE knew about the living crisis than anything too grand. When the WWE goes to a place for the first time in years, they hike the prices up, because of the rarity value. That'll be the thinking here too.
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Post by avenger on May 19, 2022 13:55:40 GMT -5
Progress has a show the next day in Cardiff and their front row tickets are usually £40 at most. Go to that instead. I appreciate the angle that "there are other promotions who aren't trying to swallow your entire wallet whole", but I think that rather misses the point of what people want out of this show. It's WWE, which to many people is wrestling, it's at a stadium, it's a big deal, with names they know and love. I did casually consider going to that Progress show actually, having learnt it was on the same weekend, but that would've been in addition to WWE, not instead of - no offense to Progress, but I'm probably not travelling to Cardiff just to see them, it's just not that kind of a big deal. Same here. It's not just the ticket price, it's hauling myself across the country on a train that'll cost £100 minimum, plus accommodation (£300 minimum for a hotel). Good luck to Progress, they're clearly cashing in, like the US indies do around Wrestlemania, they should have no trouble selling out, but it's not something I'm going to make a special trip for.
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Post by Kalmia on May 20, 2022 6:33:25 GMT -5
The Principality Stadium's website has some tickets in the £67 range still available. Ticketmaster doesn't seem to have anything below £225 again. So if anyone is after the cheaper seats, avoid Ticketmaster.
(Avoiding Ticketmaster is a good rule for life, tbh)
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Post by ssdrivin on May 20, 2022 6:43:16 GMT -5
The Principality Stadium's website has some tickets in the £67 range still available. Ticketmaster doesn't seem to have anything below £225 again. So if anyone is after the cheaper seats, avoid Ticketmaster. (Avoiding Ticketmaster is a good rule for life, tbh) There's a few £35 ones left too, might be worth grabbing if "I can't afford more but I don't mind where I sit".
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Post by lemonyellowson on May 20, 2022 6:54:39 GMT -5
man, i must say I am so incredibly disappointed at how they have priced this. Its absolutely insanse. I was thinking that £250 might get you a decent floor seat and that you would get upper tier seats for around £15 - we got raw after wrestlemania tickets for 10 dollars (granted it was a loooong time ago) but still. How can anyone in this economical climate justify 2 grand for floor seats at what will be a C tier ppv? Its absolutely mad. I was super excited to go to this, haven't been to a live show since the UK championship tourney in blackpool - but yeah cheapest ticket i can see now is for 168 bills, at the back of the bloody millenium stadium - where the view for the rugby or football would be grand but for this, why would you pay that money to just have to watch it on the screens anyway? I really hope this ends up being half empty. dick move by the e.
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Post by ssdrivin on May 20, 2022 8:16:13 GMT -5
man, i must say I am so incredibly disappointed at how they have priced this. Its absolutely insanse. I was thinking that £250 might get you a decent floor seat and that you would get upper tier seats for around £15 - we got raw after wrestlemania tickets for 10 dollars (granted it was a loooong time ago) but still. How can anyone in this economical climate justify 2 grand for floor seats at what will be a C tier ppv? Its absolutely mad. I was super excited to go to this, haven't been to a live show since the UK championship tourney in blackpool - but yeah cheapest ticket i can see now is for 168 bills, at the back of the bloody millenium stadium - where the view for the rugby or football would be grand but for this, why would you pay that money to just have to watch it on the screens anyway? I really hope this ends up being half empty. dick move by the e. Looks like it's going to be fairly well packed out at this point, now we're at the general sales, there's not a massive amount of choice left on the seat maps as far as I can see. I'm happy with my £40 ticket, because it was "cheap" (compared to all the others), but I really don't think many price tiers above the one I got in at are reasonable. As I said in an earlier comment, even the ticket I have isn't very good for the price I paid, and that's the dirt cheapest ticket they had, right up in the arse end of the roof seats, but at least I could tolerate paying that price to be there, even if I should probably be getting a better seat for the same money. My excuse is it's an excuse to get out of the house, experience a huge event for the sake of being there, and perhaps have a social drink or two with fans hanging around the area. £40 isn't a massive price to pay to convince myself I should go there and do that, after the past two years of not doing any of that. But if the only accessible prices are the limited number of "cheap seats", that surely means that all of the rest of the overinflated prices are doubled or tripled to a level that most people can't afford, or certainly can't comfortably afford, leading to stress (especially in families) and having to deal with debt. That really sucks. It's fine having premium seats for people who can and will pay, it's fine having a select few special areas for the people who can pay for the very best, but the rest of the venue should be varying levels of accessible to normal everyday fans - you can't pack out a stadium with people who can afford thousands of pounds (without even considering accommodation or travel), especially in Wales of all places. I don't think it's reasonable, especially in the current financial climate, to force people to make those choices when those tickets could've been - and should've been - cheaper.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 20, 2022 8:56:22 GMT -5
Before the general on-sale today, Meltzer said they sold 30,000 tickets.
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Post by ssdrivin on May 20, 2022 9:00:49 GMT -5
Before the general on-sale today, Meltzer said they sold 30,000 tickets. So that's a bit under half the seats then, if accurate. Not... too bad? I guess? For pre-sale? But having read Twitter occasionally over these past few days it seems like a lot of people who might've paid for the £35, £65, £120(ish) tickets were put off by Ticketmaster showing them £200+ tickets, they might not be inclined to check again.
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