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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 19:07:20 GMT -5
MLW is gonna have to have actual proof like an Omnibus ammount to have any chance at winning this like said above recordings etc.
So this like most who go against WWE is gonna be settled out of court
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 12, 2022 19:21:47 GMT -5
MLW is gonna have to have actual proof like an Omnibus ammount to have any chance at winning this like said above recordings etc. So this like most who go against WWE is gonna be settled out of court WWE wont settle. They will drag it out for years until either MLW or the lawyer (if he is working on contingency) cannot afford to keep the case going. WWE only settles when they are trying to keep dirty deals secret (stockholders suing over Saudi deal) or keep their dirty contracts from being examined (Brocks no compete). |
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Post by chrom on Jan 12, 2022 21:58:17 GMT -5
MLW is gonna have to have actual proof like an Omnibus ammount to have any chance at winning this like said above recordings etc. So this like most who go against WWE is gonna be settled out of court WWE wont settle. They will drag it out for years until either MLW or the lawyer (if he is working on contingency) cannot afford to keep the case going. WWE only settles when they are trying to keep dirty deals secret (stockholders suing over Saudi deal) or keep their dirty contracts from being examined (Brocks no compete). For those who say that McDevitt is this genius lawyer who knows all the tricks and trades, that's his only strategy, drag it out as long as possible until the other side is broke.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jan 12, 2022 23:53:00 GMT -5
Reminds me of the news that WWE was in deal with FITE . This is jsut about killing companies from becoming big This is the same company that f***ed Crockett out of the thanksgiving ppv market with his “air my ppv or you don’t get Wrestlemania” bs back in the late 80s. Nothing he does to screw smaller market wrestling companies will ever surprise me. Selfish old bastard |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 20:42:00 GMT -5
That is what everyone seemingly fails to realize...That it isn't the territories or some wreck league game for the title of best wrestling company..WWE is SOOO much more than just a wrestling company now...It is a full blown billion dollar industry in and of itself. They are smashing numbers even if the product is lackluster as all hell. The constant need to fulfill some prophecy about being destroyed and a picture painted of this evil entity like it's still the same company it was in 98 is preposterous. Thread a few months old and I’m just now seeing it but yeah this Just because if I say it is a business doesn’t meant I’m condoning it that’s just the way shit is. As an accountant I see this shit all the time. Sorry if people don’t like it or don’t want to hear it but that’s really just how it is Interesting...I as well work for an account firm and these practices are extremely common place just not usually in front a demographic so vocal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 20:55:34 GMT -5
My only gripe is with the term 'Attempt to monopolize the wrestling industry' because that is exactly what they did. They did it in the territory days and were only stopped due to WCW. Then after buying them out coasted for years until decided to hire anyone with name value. Had it worked out for them NXT would have had brands in Africa, China, Japan, and who knows where else. Make no mistake they want to be a monopoly, The only show in town. Good for MLW, I hope this hits WWE in the pocket. I never understand this take...I mean are they just supposed to not grow? The guy with the coffee shop down the road...He damn would love to be the only coffee shop in town or to have more locations a crossed the globe. I get the pettiness and potential legality of their actions to accomplish their goals pisses people off but it's beyond silly to think a company...any company's goal isn't to produce revenue and grow. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 13, 2022 21:02:16 GMT -5
My only gripe is with the term 'Attempt to monopolize the wrestling industry' because that is exactly what they did. They did it in the territory days and were only stopped due to WCW. Then after buying them out coasted for years until decided to hire anyone with name value. Had it worked out for them NXT would have had brands in Africa, China, Japan, and who knows where else. Make no mistake they want to be a monopoly, The only show in town. Good for MLW, I hope this hits WWE in the pocket. I never understand this take...I mean are they just supposed to not grow? The guy with the coffee shop down the road...He damn would love to be the only coffee shop in town or to have more locations a crossed the globe. I get the pettiness and potential legality of their actions to accomplish their goals pisses people off but it's beyond silly to think a company...any company's goal isn't to produce revenue and grow. and in this case... the Territories absolutely were all looking at making their own attempts to go national too... Vince just did it the most successfully. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 21:06:29 GMT -5
I never understand this take...I mean are they just supposed to not grow? The guy with the coffee shop down the road...He damn would love to be the only coffee shop in town or to have more locations a crossed the globe. I get the pettiness and potential legality of their actions to accomplish their goals pisses people off but it's beyond silly to think a company...any company's goal isn't to produce revenue and grow. and in this case... the Territories absolutely were all looking at making their own attempts to go national too... Vince just did it the most successfully. Not growing when it should have basically killed ROH |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 13, 2022 21:52:26 GMT -5
My only gripe is with the term 'Attempt to monopolize the wrestling industry' because that is exactly what they did. They did it in the territory days and were only stopped due to WCW. Then after buying them out coasted for years until decided to hire anyone with name value. Had it worked out for them NXT would have had brands in Africa, China, Japan, and who knows where else. Make no mistake they want to be a monopoly, The only show in town. Good for MLW, I hope this hits WWE in the pocket. I never understand this take...I mean are they just supposed to not grow? The guy with the coffee shop down the road...He damn would love to be the only coffee shop in town or to have more locations a crossed the globe. I get the pettiness and potential legality of their actions to accomplish their goals pisses people off but it's beyond silly to think a company...any company's goal isn't to produce revenue and grow. But people don't want there to be only one coffee shop in town. People criticize the likes of Starbucks for running independent cafes out and cutting down competition. It might be a thing companies want, but nobody wants companies to do that. The fact it's the natural desire for companies and how directly at odds that is with what consumers by and large want means there's something incredibly broken about the system, and I don't understand why the sentiment is just "Oh yeah eh whatever if they want it we shouldn't complain, they're what matters". A company or person's goal isn't above reproach just because it's their goal. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 13, 2022 22:08:01 GMT -5
and in this case... the Territories absolutely were all looking at making their own attempts to go national too... Vince just did it the most successfully. Not growing when it should have basically killed ROH Sinclair killed Ring of Honor, and their dumbass investments into dead end ideas. And then when they finally gave big money and control to a wrestler to try and make a push, he got blackballed from the industry during SpeakingOut just months later so... that also didn't help. |
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Post by Dub H on Jan 13, 2022 22:53:31 GMT -5
Not growing when it should have basically killed ROH Sinclair killed Ring of Honor, and their dumbass investments into dead end ideas. And then when they finally gave big money and control to a wrestler to try and make a push, he got blackballed from the industry during SpeakingOut just months later so... that also didn't help. Funny enough said wrestler wanted to open the door between companies to work together and in the end ROH was the only one working with no one |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 13, 2022 23:00:17 GMT -5
Sinclair killed Ring of Honor, and their dumbass investments into dead end ideas. And then when they finally gave big money and control to a wrestler to try and make a push, he got blackballed from the industry during SpeakingOut just months later so... that also didn't help. Funny enough said wrestler wanted to open the door between companies to work together and in the end ROH was the only one working with no one And now they will have no choice but to work with literally everyone to survive going forward. Which is even more ironic. |
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Post by Perd on Jan 13, 2022 23:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 14, 2022 2:40:20 GMT -5
Not growing when it should have basically killed ROH Sinclair killed Ring of Honor, and their dumbass investments into dead end ideas. And then when they finally gave big money and control to a wrestler to try and make a push, he got blackballed from the industry during SpeakingOut just months later so... that also didn't help. Yeah, ROH's problem wasn't "Damn we should grow", their problem was talent departures at a critical time, an absolutely embarrassing follow-up on their biggest card ever that massively hurt their buzz, and then a series of scandals and external setbacks that cost them a lot of growth potential because everything went on ice. Their troubles now aren't even their own fault, but a direct issue of Sinclair losing tons of money in other ventures and, ironically, having gotten into this position amid their greedy pursuit of toxic growth. Sinclair was trying to grow bigger and they made some very bad moves that crapped everything up, ROH was just a victim. And at any rate, there's a false conflation in this with the idea of growth and the idea of toxically pursuing a monopoly. People were frustrated that Sinclair wasn't pushing further with ROH, yeah, but none of the moves they could have made to get bigger, whether in increasing production budget, hiring bookers who weren't kinda crap or secretly sex pests, spending more to hold on to and aggressively seek talent, in touring harder, in getting onto national television, are in any way comparable to the moves WWE is making here and I think it's disingenuous to try and group the ideas together. One is the investment of a parent company into one of its subsidiaries to compete with larger companies, the other is a violation of antitrust laws and illegal, actually. Like nobody is ever mad at WWE when they get a licensing deal to make WWE pancakes. That kind of growth never seems to raise these kinds of issues. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 14, 2022 4:21:12 GMT -5
Not to summarize a lot of the points but to put it simply, saying ROH ended up how it did because they didn't want to grow is like me saying Toys R Us went into bankruptcy because they didn't want to change with the times. It's a vague statement that feels really oversimplified to the events that happened to it (also because in TRU's case, a lot of it was intentional self-sabotage to make it easier to make money from completely wrecking it).
And no, no business would want to truly end up being the only one in that spectrum because you end up getting stale and old hat really quickly and you'd have no way to find out what the market wants or what's new because you control all of it. Innovation just wouldn't happen.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 14, 2022 4:34:46 GMT -5
Sinclair did not kill ROH, Sinclair s the only reason it survived as long as it did. It was losing a massive amount of money when Sinclair bought it, to the point closure was a serious consideration, only unlike TNA's woes, it all played out behind closed doors so few knew how dire the situation was. Could they have run things better? Absolutely, but they kept it from closing down, stopped the WWE throwing their weight around to screw them out of venues and most importantly, they fired ni-one during the great covid shutdown, while the WWE was firing everyone they could.
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Post by Legion on Jan 14, 2022 5:34:57 GMT -5
Not to summarize a lot of the points but to put it simply, saying ROH ended up how it did because they didn't want to grow is like me saying Toys R Us went into bankruptcy because they didn't want to change with the times. It's a vague statement that feels really oversimplified to the events that happened to it (also because in TRU's case, a lot of it was intentional self-sabotage to make it easier to make money from completely wrecking it). And no, no business would want to truly end up being the only one in that spectrum because you end up getting stale and old hat really quickly and you'd have no way to find out what the market wants or what's new because you control all of it. Innovation just wouldn't happen.Which is exactly what has happened with WWE. They basically have had a monopoly for about 20 years now. Impact never broke through, no one else came close. Now, finally, thanks to AEW, there is some break through. That's good for a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that it may force change and renovation, if not innovation, from WWE. |
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 14, 2022 7:33:06 GMT -5
Not to summarize a lot of the points but to put it simply, saying ROH ended up how it did because they didn't want to grow is like me saying Toys R Us went into bankruptcy because they didn't want to change with the times. It's a vague statement that feels really oversimplified to the events that happened to it (also because in TRU's case, a lot of it was intentional self-sabotage to make it easier to make money from completely wrecking it). And no, no business would want to truly end up being the only one in that spectrum because you end up getting stale and old hat really quickly and you'd have no way to find out what the market wants or what's new because you control all of it. Innovation just wouldn't happen.Which is exactly what has happened with WWE. They basically have had a monopoly for about 20 years now. Impact never broke through, no one else came close. Now, finally, thanks to AEW, there is some break through. That's good for a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that it may force change and renovation, if not innovation, from WWE. It has forced an innovation of sorts with WWE, but not in the way that fans or the business expect, or how it will benefit WWE over the long haul if it continues along the path it's chosen. I've occasionally derided WWE these days as American Gladiators 2.0, but I think the comparison holds up. They've moved from being the promotion to which all roads lead, to the equivalent of North Sentinel Island: nobody is safe even attempting the journey and your safety is far from guaranteed even before the longer-standing residents find out you're there. An innovation that involves insulating your talent so that a) their work is no longer translatable readily into the business as a whole and b) they're seen as a threat to the brand as a whole for becoming well enough known is not an innovation. It's a blueprint for killing your company, late-stage capitalism style. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 14, 2022 7:52:10 GMT -5
Which is exactly what has happened with WWE. They basically have had a monopoly for about 20 years now. Impact never broke through, no one else came close. Now, finally, thanks to AEW, there is some break through. That's good for a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that it may force change and renovation, if not innovation, from WWE. It has forced an innovation of sorts with WWE, but not in the way that fans or the business expect, or how it will benefit WWE over the long haul if it continues along the path it's chosen. I've occasionally derided WWE these days as American Gladiators 2.0, but I think the comparison holds up. They've moved from being the promotion to which all roads lead, to the equivalent of North Sentinel Island: nobody is safe even attempting the journey and your safety is far from guaranteed even before the longer-standing residents find out you're there. An innovation that involves insulating your talent so that a) their work is no longer translatable readily into the business as a whole and b) they're seen as a threat to the brand as a whole for becoming well enough known is not an innovation. It's a blueprint for killing your company, late-stage capitalism style. Oh god, they're heading down the path to Chikaraness, with the company operated by a lunatic who's hell bent on talent never leaving. Wonder how long it'll take for Vimce to put all developmental talent under masks so they can be replaced without anyone noticing and to start halftraining them so they can't work elsewhere? |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 14, 2022 8:03:28 GMT -5
I never understand this take...I mean are they just supposed to not grow? The guy with the coffee shop down the road...He damn would love to be the only coffee shop in town or to have more locations a crossed the globe. I get the pettiness and potential legality of their actions to accomplish their goals pisses people off but it's beyond silly to think a company...any company's goal isn't to produce revenue and grow. and in this case... the Territories absolutely were all looking at making their own attempts to go national too... Vince just did it the most successfully. Vince did what what all of them wanted to do, but he did it first and did it better than they ever could have. There's a lot of things to hate about Vince, this isn't one of them |
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