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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 14, 2022 8:08:52 GMT -5
Not to summarize a lot of the points but to put it simply, saying ROH ended up how it did because they didn't want to grow is like me saying Toys R Us went into bankruptcy because they didn't want to change with the times. It's a vague statement that feels really oversimplified to the events that happened to it (also because in TRU's case, a lot of it was intentional self-sabotage to make it easier to make money from completely wrecking it). And no, no business would want to truly end up being the only one in that spectrum because you end up getting stale and old hat really quickly and you'd have no way to find out what the market wants or what's new because you control all of it. Innovation just wouldn't happen.Which is exactly what has happened with WWE. They basically have had a monopoly for about 20 years now. Impact never broke through, no one else came close. Now, finally, thanks to AEW, there is some break through. That's good for a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that it may force change and renovation, if not innovation, from WWE. Even with that, though, and for all the smack we can talk about WWE now or even post-InVasion, they have had moments of seeing the landscape and changing, even in minor ways. The obvious would be with ROH and PWG, a place where Regal was almost as much of a mainstay as the Young Bucks and Super Dragon were in Reseda Hall, where WWE at least adjusted the way it worked in ring to accomodate those talents that were coming through because that was what the landscape was like down there. But the less obvious would be a promotion you mentioned in Impact. If Impact didn't have Kong, Kim, ODB etc basically help carry the company during the mid 00s with having an actual women's division worth a damn, I don't think we'd be talking about WrestleMania main eventers Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair and Sasha Banks. It just wouldn't be a factor (even with some of the other factors around it like Rousey coming in etc). Like, it took a damn long time to get there but it wasn't like they didn't notice either. And even now, Impact is doing its own thing with the womens division better than both of the two big companies combined. So for as much as they have been accused or have done stuff that intentionally hurts competitors (and they have, let's not kid ourselves (and I know, other companies have in other industries, I'm not a fool here)), sometimes some of that comes through because it sort of has to.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 16, 2022 9:16:46 GMT -5
WWE is now using AEW's success as evidence in the lawsuit:
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 16, 2022 9:22:51 GMT -5
WWE is now using AEW's success as evidence in the lawsuit:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 9:27:36 GMT -5
WWE is now using AEW's success as evidence in the lawsuit: This is both hilarious and ridiculous because it is WWE basically trying to say....the barrier of entry is only just a billionare who loves wrestling with connections to a major network.....as if AEW's entire initial start up is just something anyone can just pull off like WTF lol. But also lol at WWE having to aknowledge AEW's success in a lawsuit.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Mar 16, 2022 9:29:31 GMT -5
My only gripe is with the term 'Attempt to monopolize the wrestling industry' because that is exactly what they did. They did it in the territory days and were only stopped due to WCW. Then after buying them out coasted for years until decided to hire anyone with name value. Had it worked out for them NXT would have had brands in Africa, China, Japan, and who knows where else. Make no mistake they want to be a monopoly, The only show in town. Good for MLW, I hope this hits WWE in the pocket. I never understand this take...I mean are they just supposed to not grow? The guy with the coffee shop down the road...He damn would love to be the only coffee shop in town or to have more locations a crossed the globe. I get the pettiness and potential legality of their actions to accomplish their goals pisses people off but it's beyond silly to think a company...any company's goal isn't to produce revenue and grow. Did you just compare the WWE to a mom-and-pop coffee shop? Why would you only want one coffee shop? Personally, I love variety and that aside it's good for business, Just ask Burger King/McDonalds or Pepsi/COca cola to name a few
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 16, 2022 9:39:56 GMT -5
WWE is now using AEW's success as evidence in the lawsuit: The Young Bucks next Twitter Bio/The next BTE is going to absolutely run away with this one, lmfao That probably killed Vince to do, all over MLW of all things, that's really just hilarious.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 16, 2022 9:40:58 GMT -5
I never understand this take...I mean are they just supposed to not grow? The guy with the coffee shop down the road...He damn would love to be the only coffee shop in town or to have more locations a crossed the globe. I get the pettiness and potential legality of their actions to accomplish their goals pisses people off but it's beyond silly to think a company...any company's goal isn't to produce revenue and grow. Did you just compare the WWE to a mom-and-pop coffee shop? Why would you only want one coffee shop? Personally, I love variety and that aside it's good for business, Just ask Burger King/McDonalds or Pepsi/COca cola to name a few Do you think Coca Cola wouldn’t love if Pepsi wasn’t a thing?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 16, 2022 9:55:07 GMT -5
Did you just compare the WWE to a mom-and-pop coffee shop? Why would you only want one coffee shop? Personally, I love variety and that aside it's good for business, Just ask Burger King/McDonalds or Pepsi/COca cola to name a few Do you think Coca Cola wouldn’t love if Pepsi wasn’t a thing? Not really, no. Where would the new innovations come from? Where would the motivation to not expand as a business and make more money come from? Competition helps that because you have different people working for each company and giving ideas to help grow and become standard in the industry. Where would the motivation to listen to those ideas come from if they were the only top dog on the block? Pretty much nowhere.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Mar 16, 2022 9:55:56 GMT -5
Did you just compare the WWE to a mom-and-pop coffee shop? Why would you only want one coffee shop? Personally, I love variety and that aside it's good for business, Just ask Burger King/McDonalds or Pepsi/COca cola to name a few Do you think Coca Cola wouldn’t love if Pepsi wasn’t a thing? No. They know monopolies hurt the industry. They make more money pushing the idea of "Choose us'.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 16, 2022 10:04:31 GMT -5
Also, please remember that quote the next time someone says the 18-49 demo mattering is some Meltzer/AEW conspiracy.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 16, 2022 10:07:16 GMT -5
Do you think Coca Cola wouldn’t love if Pepsi wasn’t a thing? No. They know monopolies hurt the industry. They make more money pushing the idea of "Choose us'. Also, taking the example of all three big console developers, they've all said that they wouldn't be the companies they are without their rivals which isn't really something CEOs usually come out with.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 16, 2022 10:18:54 GMT -5
The only reason Coke is not in favour of being a monopoly is they would attract government scrutiny in countries where the regulators haven't been defanged yet, that's it. Big companies are not looking for innovation, new is risky, they want dominance based around taking as few chances as possible.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 16, 2022 11:22:53 GMT -5
Do you think Coca Cola wouldn’t love if Pepsi wasn’t a thing? Not really, no. Where would the new innovations come from? Where would the motivation to not expand as a business and make more money come from? Competition helps that because you have different people working for each company and giving ideas to help grow and become standard in the industry. Where would the motivation to listen to those ideas come from if they were the only top dog on the block? Pretty much nowhere. That makes sense in a tech company but not at all in the soda industry. Coca Cola would become worth much more as a company if Pepsi all of a sudden folded and all of that market share switched to Coke.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 16, 2022 11:29:13 GMT -5
Not really, no. Where would the new innovations come from? Where would the motivation to not expand as a business and make more money come from? Competition helps that because you have different people working for each company and giving ideas to help grow and become standard in the industry. Where would the motivation to listen to those ideas come from if they were the only top dog on the block? Pretty much nowhere. That makes sense in a tech company but not at all in the soda industry. Coca Cola would become worth much more as a company if Pepsi all of a sudden folded and all of that market share switched to Coke. It makes sense for any company. If Coca Cola was the only major soda company in the world, the customer base will drop because a lot of people don't like Coca Cola. Deals might not be struck with people who were giving Coca Cola in bars, restaurants, cinemas etc because the Pepsi deal might have been more reasonable or logical for them so they'd either take a shit deal or find a way to get it via independent means, there wouldn't be the same amount of growth because you've lost a major competitor which would get shareholders and Wall Street annoyed and as mentioned before, a lot of countries or unions with stronger monopoly laws than America wouldn't exactly be happy with one major company dominating the market so that would weaken international markets. It'd be the same if McDonald's was the only major fast-food chain or Disney was the only entertainment company or even if Exploding Kittens was the only company producing family-friendly party games.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 11:33:28 GMT -5
That insinuates that everyone would solely drink Coke or that every single pepsi diehard would automatically just go over to Coke.
WWE has proven that to not be the case with their monopoly over the years , Coke would have their diehards but everyone else would just splinter off and a whole bunch of smaller unknown drinks would start flooding the market untill one broke through to be a competitor.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 16, 2022 12:06:45 GMT -5
And just look at WCW going away and WWE not really retaining all those WCW fans.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 16, 2022 12:11:05 GMT -5
That insinuates that everyone would solely drink Coke or that every single pepsi diehard would automatically just go over to Coke. WWE has proven that to not be the case with their monopoly over the years , Coke would have their diehards but everyone else would just splinter off and a whole bunch of smaller unknown drinks would start flooding the market untill one broke through to be a competitor. I wasn’t implying Coke would get every bit of Pepsi’s lost business. But they would get more than they currently have as many consumers will drink whatever is available/cheaper and many restaurants would simply switch, even if not all would.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 16, 2022 12:12:46 GMT -5
And just look at WCW going away and WWE not really retaining all those WCW fans. Of course, that’s much different than a product like soda. Which makes the comparison between the two industries not really apropos.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 16, 2022 12:23:49 GMT -5
And just look at WCW going away and WWE not really retaining all those WCW fans. Of course, that’s much different than a product like soda. Which makes the comparison between the two industries not really apropos. How so, I can quit drinking coke/pepsi if it was discontinued/went away and not care. Beverages arent a necessity or there will be a smaller alternative out there
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 16, 2022 12:25:38 GMT -5
And just look at WCW going away and WWE not really retaining all those WCW fans. Of course, that’s much different than a product like soda. Which makes the comparison between the two industries not really apropos. I think you're underestimating how a product leaving the market doesn't automatically lead to those same people automatically going to the rival product if they chose the previous product over theirs.
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