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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 13, 2021 11:56:12 GMT -5
My analogy is that a good Deathmatch should follow the same principles as a horror movie in that a good horror movie should be first and foremost a good film with added horror elements. As soon as a horror film becomes just a collection of gore scenes, it renders it virtually pointless. This is a really good analogy. Comparing wrestling to films, deathmatches being horror, I can see easily good ones versus bad ones. Good ones that use the added elements of a deathmatch in service to the match and story and psychology, versus bad ones that are just high risk spots and blood that serves no end. The biggest example I could think of is watch Omega Vs. Moxley in the Barbed Wire match this year. It's violent sure, but the wire is used in a way that play's up the danger of it constantly. Both guy sold it like the last thing they want is to run into that wire. A lot of bad death matches they don't really seem to care about the danger of the objects and they run into it because BLOOD!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 12:42:06 GMT -5
This is a really good analogy. Comparing wrestling to films, deathmatches being horror, I can see easily good ones versus bad ones. Good ones that use the added elements of a deathmatch in service to the match and story and psychology, versus bad ones that are just high risk spots and blood that serves no end. The biggest example I could think of is watch Omega Vs. Moxley in the Barbed Wire match this year. It's violent sure, but the wire is used in a way that play's up the danger of it constantly. Both guy sold it like the last thing they want is to run into that wire. A lot of bad death matches they don't really seem to care about the danger of the objects and they run into it because BLOOD!!! Yeah, I think that's a good example of a "hardcore" match between two great performers, where the "danger" of the match was all part of the psychology. Mick Foley and late-era Terry Funk made careers out of that. Those kinds of matches are an awesome part of pro wrestling. I don't really like true deathmatch wrestling very much, but I can acknowledge that, even within that world, there's a difference between guys like Jun Kasai, Masada, and Matt Tremont and these goofs amputating fingers in a backyard in Alabama. I've seen some truly disgusting Masada matches, but the guy, at least at a basic level, puts on a professional wrestling match amidst all the over-the-top violence. To bring the point others have made to its conclusion, Necro Butcher was one of the most notorious deathmatch wrestlers of arguably the most prominent era of that kind of wrestling, but a huge percentage of people consider his best match to be his gratuitous violence-free brawl with Samoa Joe. Because the guy could actually wrestle a little bit.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Oct 13, 2021 14:03:16 GMT -5
I belong to more than a few deathmatch groups on social media.
Anyway…..people posted reverse angle video and it was a work. Dude didn’t really lose his finger.
Got people talking though.
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Post by chronocross on Oct 13, 2021 14:05:36 GMT -5
My guy agreed to lose a bit of his finger for like $20(which he may not have gotten) and people roasting this idea on the internet. Take the biggest L in a while, everyone involved. I read somewhere he didn't get the hotdog or handshake he was promised. Still this is one of the more disgusting things I've seen in wrestling, ridiculous.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Oct 13, 2021 14:37:40 GMT -5
I belong to more than a few deathmatch groups on social media. Anyway…..people posted reverse angle video and it was a work. Dude didn’t really lose his finger. Got people talking though. I suspected it was a work. However, work or not....it's still dumb as f***.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Oct 13, 2021 19:37:42 GMT -5
I belong to more than a few deathmatch groups on social media. Anyway…..people posted reverse angle video and it was a work. Dude didn’t really lose his finger. Got people talking though. I suspected it was a work. However, work or not....it's still dumb as f***. I can’t express how much I hate it whether real or work. Already have trouble telling people there is an art to deathmatch wrestling. Stunts like this just makes the whole style look bad.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Oct 14, 2021 21:31:02 GMT -5
I have to wonder if this could have taken place were wrestling still regulated the way it once was and promoters needed licenses. Besides LA,most of the southern states either have no commission or if they have one the commission rarely sends people to shows. AL has one but I doubt they are sending someone to Fife AL where Carnage Cup 10 is happening.
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