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Post by mistery on Apr 5, 2022 18:33:09 GMT -5
It's so hard to make a judgment here. Kimber is definitely coming off as someone who could potentially be mentally abusive. We have no way of knowing if the pictures of her with bruises is legit or not. The nazi picture doesn't do Nash any favors, but someone else pointed out that it's over ten years old. To my knowledge, Nash has made no comment, which neither exonerates nor indicts him. It comes across as a little sketchy that Wes' wife would join Twitter just to defend Nash, as opposed to one of them making a statement themselves. Too many variables in play here. I think the issue is that Kimber in particular has been constantly changing her story. It's why people are starting to doubt her. And Wes Lee's wife knows her personally, so she would have better insight than us, people who discuss men and women fighting in their underwear in a fake sport on a message board. And it wouldn't be too unusual if the wrestlers liking Wes Lee's wife's side of the story know more about Kimber than we do. You have other wrestlers in the industry (like Gigi Dolan) liking the tweets from Wes Lee's wife as well. Like...I want to believe Kimber, but she has an outstandingly bad reputation in the industry and as a human being.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 5, 2022 18:37:47 GMT -5
At the very least I would hope WWE doesn't do the "barrel forward and pretend nothing's happening until it blows over" tactic here. Pull the dude from shows and investigate.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Apr 5, 2022 18:38:09 GMT -5
My stance has pretty much remained the same on this whole thing:
I kinda think all of the Rascals/MSK are idiots generally, so it fits for Nash to do something as dumb as that photo. Regardless of whether or not the abuse happened, I think it's really foolish to get with someone with a bad reputation + receipts. In this case, Kimber Lee has ruined a lot of opportunities, many friendships, and her rep over the years due to her behavior. When it comes to people like that, you're not immune to whatever caused that reputation, nor are you the cure, so either that person really got a handle over it, or prepare yourself.
And whether the abuse happened or not, Kimber Lee is not okay, hasn't been for a long time, and needs to make this private situation private (and/or take it up with the authorities).
I hope she gets the help she needs, as does everyone involved.
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 5, 2022 18:40:36 GMT -5
This is the first time I've ever seen a domestic abuse allegations scandal work Kings Road style. I certainly feel like I've been hit with head drops throughout this whole situation.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 5, 2022 18:41:07 GMT -5
I'd definitely get MSK off TV and get the belts off them ASAP, this is not a good situation, for either party, it seems
This is not the kind of spotlight you want, and while NXT's fanbase is mostly controlled fans... you really are playing with fire if you ignore this.
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Post by mistery on Apr 5, 2022 18:41:46 GMT -5
At the very least I would hope WWE doesn't do the "barrel forward and pretend nothing's happening until it blows over" tactic here. Pull the dude from shows and investigate. I dunno what you want WWE to do, investigation wise. They'll just be pulled into the same vortex we are in at this point. They can go up to Nash Carter and ask him if he's abusive and he'll just say no. That's pretty much the limit of what they can do. Because you know if they pull him/MSK off of TV "until this blows over", she'll just bring it back up again the moment he's about to appear again. And the police/prosecutors aren't going to even bother because there's absolutely no chance either Kimber or Nash Carter are going to face any sort of punishment since reasonable doubt has been established on both sides.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 5, 2022 18:50:11 GMT -5
It's so hard to make a judgment here. Kimber is definitely coming off as someone who could potentially be mentally abusive. We have no way of knowing if the pictures of her with bruises is legit or not. The nazi picture doesn't do Nash any favors, but someone else pointed out that it's over ten years old. To my knowledge, Nash has made no comment, which neither exonerates nor indicts him. It comes across as a little sketchy that Wes' wife would join Twitter just to defend Nash, as opposed to one of them making a statement themselves. Too many variables in play here. It makes sense to have Wes Lee/Desmond Xavier's wife defend Wes Lee/Zachary Wentz because her account doesn't have thousands upon thousands of followers from being signed to the biggest wrestling company in the world, so it does keep the Twitter algorithm from blowing up everything even moreso than it already is, attracting even more attention to the whole thing. Granted, Kimber Lee herself surprisingly has more followers than MSK combined, but it's still better to have 68K combined followers on arguing accounts than 100K combined followers on the arguing accounts for the Twitter algorithm to amplify the posts to potentially less people.
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Post by Killah Ray on Apr 5, 2022 19:15:28 GMT -5
Messy couples are the worst. Seems like an all around toxic situation on both ends.
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Post by cornettesracket on Apr 6, 2022 1:26:35 GMT -5
The intervention of Wes Lee’s wife was a big moment where it made you think. I mean what does she gain from lying ? Also, that picture of what looks like a hitter cosplay is problematic but it would seem it’s not a recent photo so not relevant to the abuse allegations and what his family have to do with this situation I don’t know so don’t see why they were included.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 1:49:51 GMT -5
Situations like this are deeply complex and its not fair to sit in judgement without full knowledge. At best, everyone involved is a bit of a twat.
That said, a lot of people are pointing out that Kimber Lee's story has changed as a reason not to believe her. That is completely unfair. Victims are suffering from trauma which can affect memory and also can be self-editing for fear of being judged or misunderstood. There is often a puritanical expectation that victims of sex crimes or domestic abuse have a picture perfect recall and powers of description. That's not how human beings work.
So lay off the 'her story has changed' comments. It's bad form and can have a profound effect on others experiencing abuse and making them feel they can't speak out.
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Post by Legion on Apr 6, 2022 4:12:39 GMT -5
Digging up old pictures and making vague statements that he's anti LGBT seem a little bit too 'try hard to enrage the internet today' for my liking.
That doesn't at all means these horrible things didn't happen to her, but yeah, it just feels like muddying the water more.
Just a horrible situation with no happy outcome at this point.
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Post by gl83 on Apr 6, 2022 12:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Apr 6, 2022 12:38:13 GMT -5
See, it's stuff like this that makes me continuously say, this should not be handled on social media.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Apr 6, 2022 12:49:31 GMT -5
It gets worse every time I open the thread.
I do have a question. Kimber still works for Impact, correct? Would they have any business stepping in and making sure that she's OK? I know legally, they can't stop her from tweeting about it, but you would hope someone in the company would at least be taking her well-being into consideration here.
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Post by mistery on Apr 6, 2022 13:21:11 GMT -5
It gets worse every time I open the thread. I do have a question. Kimber still works for Impact, correct? Would they have any business stepping in and making sure that she's OK? I know legally, they can't stop her from tweeting about it, but you would hope someone in the company would at least be taking her well-being into consideration here. I don't think she's worked in Impact since October 2021. PWInsider reported she was fired from the company, but she denied that.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Apr 6, 2022 13:25:24 GMT -5
It gets worse every time I open the thread. I do have a question. Kimber still works for Impact, correct? Would they have any business stepping in and making sure that she's OK? I know legally, they can't stop her from tweeting about it, but you would hope someone in the company would at least be taking her well-being into consideration here. I don't think she's worked in Impact since October 2021. PWInsider reported she was fired from the company, but she denied that. Got it. I wasn't sure. I hope someone close to her checks on her to make sure she's OK. Seems most people are just brushing it off as Kimber being Kimber, but this is very likely a cry for help. Even if she's lying about the abuse (which is not mine or anyone else's judgment to pass), she could very well be back to drinking or worse.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 6, 2022 13:26:46 GMT -5
See, it's stuff like this that makes me continuously say, this should not be handled on social media. I'm by no means clearing Nash of anything, but this is a pretty bad look for Kimber.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 6, 2022 13:41:44 GMT -5
This is reminding me a lot of the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard situation where it comes off a lot like both were just mutually terrible towards each other.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Apr 6, 2022 14:33:13 GMT -5
he's been released by WWE reported by SRS right now
edit he got a call during his stream and is waiting for WWE to confirm
EDIT AGAIN: WWE CONFIRMED
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 6, 2022 14:36:40 GMT -5
he's been released by WWE reported by SRS right now Should be noted he’s waiting to confirm the news rather than him actually confirming anything as of right now. It’s why I haven’t unlocked the release thread yet.
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