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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 22, 2021 18:51:49 GMT -5
Well once again the Baseball Hall of Fame has just announced it's ballot for this year's Hall of Fame. For the last few years we held our own ballot so now we have our say.
Over the years FAN has been a tough voting body, sometimes tougher then the BBWAA. Although last year we actually elected a player, Barry Bonds, unlike the writers. So with a couple of big names on this year's ballot we'll see how tough we are.
Unlike the actual Hall of Fame vote a player only needs 70% of all votes for induction. All other rules remain the same as the rules for the BBWAA. You can vote for up to 10 of the players listed here. If for some reason you don't think any of the players are worthy then there is a blank ballot option but if you click it you can't vote for anybody else.
Voting will close and the winners will be announced on Jan 1, 2022 a couple of weeks before the Hall of Fame announces it's results. Have fun and good luck to all the nominees.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Nov 22, 2021 20:23:04 GMT -5
Bonds Clemens Ortiz ARod Pettitte Andruw Jones Sosa Billy Wagner
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Nov 22, 2021 20:40:33 GMT -5
Now, my picks are: Helton Ortiz Wagner
Injury shortened careers hinder Morneau and Fielder from potentially making it.
Papelbon and/or Nathan maybe in the future.
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Post by Heart of fools gold on Nov 22, 2021 21:16:15 GMT -5
Arod Bonds Clemons Sosa Manny Ortiz Helton Andy P And Billy Wagner
We can argue till the cows come home about steroids and keeping the HOF "pure" but let's be honest Bonds, Clemons, Arod, Manny, etc they were already all star caliber players before PEDs were ever mentioned in their direction. So yeah if you want to put an * on their plaque I won't complain but keeping them out entirely is a different story. The HOF isn't perfect but to ignore these players and what they did is silly, like honestly it's not as if there aren't plenty of players in the HOF who were eating fists full of amphetamines before and during games to give them an edge
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 23, 2021 8:20:18 GMT -5
The end of Sosa's career was such a dumpster fire even superfans I knew personally ended up hating him. Out of the big three PED guys: Clemens, Sosa and Bonds, I see Sosa getting left out.
Is it possible that The Bloody Sock makes it into the Hall of Fame before Schilling?
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Nov 23, 2021 10:38:18 GMT -5
Barry Bonds and only Barry Bonds because I’m making a shitty point still. If he’s not a Hall of Famer, literally no one else ever is.
If he gets in I’m giving votes out like Candy on Halloween.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Nov 23, 2021 12:34:18 GMT -5
David Ortiz Todd Helton Andy Pettitte
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 27, 2021 4:25:11 GMT -5
B. Bonds R. Clemens D. Ortiz M. Ramirez A. Rodriguez S. Rolen C. Schilling
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Post by fw91 on Nov 27, 2021 12:50:50 GMT -5
Never thought I do it. But the time has come. I guess it's really because I can't really deny how good AROD was in his prime regardless of drugs. So with that being said...
Barry Bonds Roger Clemens David Ortiz Alex Rodriguez Curt Schilling (Why was he never strongly considered BEFORE politics came into play?) Sammy Sosa Billy Wagner.
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Post by Heart of fools gold on Nov 27, 2021 14:52:55 GMT -5
Curt Schilling (Why was he never strongly considered BEFORE politics came into play?) He wasn't viewed as 1st ballot HOFer but like Moose he was viewed as someone who would get in eventually and was gradually climbing up until he torpedoed his stock with his views, stagnanted for a bit before climbing above 60% last year
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Post by sfvega on Nov 27, 2021 20:42:56 GMT -5
Andruw Jones: The best fielding CF I've seen in my life. Made amazing plays seem routine. Griffey is right there with him, but didn't have the health/longevity. Very solid power hitter as well.
Todd Helton: Consistently great at 1B. If Larry Walker gets in, he should as well. 17 year career with more walks than Ks, and a lifetime .316/.414/.539 batting slash which is pretty damn good.
Billy Wagner: Again, going by who has made it in, if Hoffman is a HOFer then Wagner should be as well. Didn't play as long or nail down as many games, but had more Ks and a better ERA. Career 11.9 Ks/9, which is phenomenal. Played in the Cards' division and I hated when they played him. Filthy, dominant closer. And that would be the last of the closers to get in for a good while.
Scott Rolen: One of the best fielding 3Bs of all-time, along with a very good bat, some compiler numbers, and 53% voting last year. He'll basically be the Cris Carter of baseball HOFers, but he deserves to be there.
Clemens and Bonds: They're good enough to get in, this is their last chance. You already let PED users in. Just let 'em in.
A-Rod and Ortiz: Both clear all-time players and arguably the best ever at their positions. Both they both got popped for steroids so let them both wait a year.
Curt Schilling: Just kidding, f*** that guy. But if you wanted to make the argument, career 3.46 ERA, incredibly important in two WS runs, and some of the best WHIP and BB/9 years I've seen in my life by a workhorse starter. Almost Pedro-esque.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 29, 2021 13:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 30, 2021 2:51:52 GMT -5
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 4, 2021 15:13:55 GMT -5
Ryan Howard but not Barry Bonds give me a fxxxing break you soapbox standing moron.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 30, 2021 0:59:47 GMT -5
Just wanted to bring up a little change in the poll. Because of some family activities on New Year's Day (as well as Day 1) I'll actually lock this poll early, around 5:00 PM EST on New Year's EVE instead. So anyone who hasn't gotten their votes in there's about another day and a half to do so. As of this writing there are 201 votes from 29 voters. That means a candidate would need 21 votes (actually 20.3) to reach the 70% threshold for induction. And if there's anyone curious about who I voted for: Barry Bonds Roger Clemens David Ortiz Manny Ramirez Alex Rodriguez Curt Schilling (yeah, I know ) So get those last minute votes in and good luck to all the nominees. And thank you for your votes.
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Post by BRV on Dec 30, 2021 10:18:33 GMT -5
Here are my eight inductees and the reasoning behind each selection.
- Barry Bonds: You want to put it on his plaque that he was a PED guy? Be my guest. Babe Ruth didn't have to play against players of color. Hank Aaron hit his 755 home runs in an era when amphetamines were passed around like chewable vitamins. If you look hard enough, I'm sure you could find something to accuse every baseball player ever. But don't ignore the 494 home runs, 471 stolen bases, three MVP awards and nine All-Star appearances that he achieved before his alleged steroid use began. Also, he's baseball's all-time home run king. In an era when almost everybody was cheating, he was still the most feared hitter in the game.
- Roger Clemens: Like Bonds, he was a Hall of Famer before the alleged PED use, and like Bonds he deserves enshrinement. One of the most dominant power pitchers ever, plain and simple. And like Bonds, if you want to slap an asterisk on his plaque, feel free.
- Todd Helton: He may have had the benefit of the Mile High air of Coors Field for the duration of his career, but Helton raked wherever he played. He hit .300 or better 12 times in his 17-year career, including a .372 season in 2000 when it seemed entirely plausible that he’d flirt with .400. Even though he had the thin air of Denver to his advantage, he wasn’t just a power hitter, hitting 30 or more home runs six times. He could seemingly put the ball anywhere on the field at a whim, making it look effortless at times. While he never won an MVP award and was largely overshadowed in the National League by the likes of Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols, he has five All-Stars and three Gold Gloves on his resume.
- Andruw Jones: He probably won’t ever get into Cooperstown, but man does he deserve it. Probably the best defensive centerfielder of his era right alongside Jim Edmonds, Jones won 10 consecutive Gold Gloves patrolling center for the Braves. Jones deserves recognition for his defensive acumen alone, but it’s his bat that puts him over the top as an inductee for me. His 434 home runs are eye-popping numbers for a guy best regarded for his defense.
- David Ortiz: Plain and simple, Ortiz was the best clutch hitter in the game for a decade, at a time when the word "clutch" seemed to be deemed a dirty word by sabermetricians. Seemingly every time he strode to the plate in a big situation, he came through, whether it was his forgotten home run off of David Wells in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, his walk-off in the 2004 ALDS, his coming-out party in the 2004 ALCS, or his series-changing grand slam in the 2013 ALCS. He was feared by pitchers for almost 15 years, hitting .688 in the 2013 World Series (and it would've been higher, but Cardinals pitchers essentially intentionally walked him throughout game 6). And for the allegations of performance enhancers, his career never tailed off, unlike so many of the steroid guys of his era. He aged gracefully, averaging .294/33/100 in his final five seasons.
- Manny Ramirez: An admittedly biased pick given my allegiances, but Manny Ramirez's credentials are impossibly to deny. He was a weapon in the batter's box, making hitting look effortless. A career .312 hitter with 555 home runs, he will face the wrath of voters because of his links to performance-enhancers but you could tell with his beautiful, natural swing that he was just made for baseball. He would have been a .300 hitter even if he didn't juice, as he and Albert Pujols were nos. 1 and 1a as the best right-handed hitters of their era.
- Alex Rodriguez: It's a tough call, because I've refused to vote for players like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and Gary Sheffield, and they don't carry nearly the scarlet letter that A-Rod carries. He's an ADMITTED steroid user who missed an entire season of play because of his role in the Biogenesis scandal. But, like Barry Bonds, Rodriguez's talent alone made his career Hall of Fame worthy before the steroid use began in 2001. He was a five-tool weapon when he was in Seattle, a legitimate heir apparent to Ken Griffey Jr.'s throne in the Emerald City. There's a reason he earned that 10-year, $252 million contract from the Rangers, which was absolutely eye-popping when he signed it. I have no choice but to hold my nose and cast a ballot for A-Rod.
- Curt Schilling: My 2014 and 2015 ballots did not include Schilling, but I've warmed to his candidacy over the past few years, despite how repulsive he's become in retirement. He doesn't have longevity on his side, having been an ace pitcher for about a decade and he never won a Cy Young Award, but he was a bulldog on the mound and was the kind of guy you could hand the ball to in October and know he'd get the job done. 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 postseason starts, Schilling was a driving force on three World Series champions and four World Series finalists spread over 14 years. While his starts in the 2004 postseason were memorable for how he gutted out an ankle injury, his performance in the 2001 World Series is one of the single most dominant playoff pitching performances ever.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 31, 2021 18:36:22 GMT -5
Well the votes are in. With 30 voters in this years poll a player needed 21 votes to cross the 70% threshold. 3 players did. The first with 25 votes: Barry BondsA player who's induction is way overdue. He is one of the greatest hitters of any era, Bonds is the all time leader for home runs in a season (73) and most home runs in a career (762). His 2,558 walks are a testament of how much he was feared. A 14x All-Star and 12x Silver Slugger his 7 MVPs are more than double what anyone else had earned. Tying Bonds with 25 votes: David Ortiz One of the greatest clutch hitters of all time and arguably the greatest DH, Big Papi led the once moribund Boston Red Sox to 3 World Series victories. A 10x All-Star and 7x Silver Slugger as well as the 2013 World Series MVP, his playoff heroics will be legend in Boston for all time. And with 23 votes: Roger Clemens This is another induction that is long overdue. The Rocket was one of the most dominant pitchers from the mid 80's to the mid 2000's. Clemens was an 11 time All-Star, a record 7 time Cy Young Award winner and the 1986 AL MVP. He lead the league in strikeouts 5 times and TWICE struck out 20 batters in a game (a record he shares with 3 other people). He won 2 World Series Championships with the Yankees (ugh). It should be noted that all 3 men would have made it even if I used the BBWAA's 75% threshold. Of those who fell short Alex Rodriguez came the closest with 19 votes (63%). No other player reached 50%. Thanks to everyone that voted in this year's poll and good luck to all the nominees in the actual Hall of Fame voting in a few weeks.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 5, 2022 19:22:43 GMT -5
Guess the A-Rod abstainers wanted him to wait a few ballots. Understandable.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 6, 2022 8:43:10 GMT -5
For a lot of Hall of Fame stuff in many sports, I think "Can you tell the story of the game during the years they played and omit them without altering history?"
It's REALLY hard to talk about the last 30 years of baseball and not mention Bonds or Schilling. I'd argue the Red Socks finally killing The Curse was the biggest story in Baseball this millennium. Good luck telling that tale without Curt Schilling.
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Post by 6pathsoftommy on Jan 6, 2022 15:31:11 GMT -5
I see that I was the only one who voted for Jimmy Rollins. I know he's a borderline candidate but as a fan of the Nats and seeing him a lot I thought he was really good to great player.
My ballot if anyone's interested was: Bonds Clemens Jeff Kent Andruw Jones Big Papi A-Rod Jimmy Rollins Scott Rolen Curt Schilling Billy Wagner
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