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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Nov 26, 2021 9:22:30 GMT -5
It’s not. Glad Bruce Willis said it wasn’t either. The writer Steven E. DeSouza says it's a Christmas movie, writer probably trumps actor
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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 26, 2021 10:02:19 GMT -5
Of course it is a christmas movie. About the argument that "it just takes place at Christmas but it is not a christmas movie": So do Home Alone, Christmas Vacation, Jingle all the Way and Gremlins. They also do not feature the real Santa Clause but just take place on Xmas. Since the movies are comedies people say that they are Xmas movies. Are only comedies allowed to be christmasmovies? Actionmovies and horrormovies can not be Xmas movies? I do not get it! People who claim otherwise are probably the same people who say that Halloween 3 is not a Halloween movie because Michael Myers is not in the movie (although Halloween 3 deals more with the holiday as the other Halloweenmovies). Die Hard 1 & 2; Jaws the Revenge, Batman Returns, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Lethal Weapon, Black Christmas, Silent Night Deadly Night etc. are Christmas movies! Yes, only movie with a certain emotional tone are Christmas movies. The others are movies that take place around Christmas.
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Post by 4real on Nov 26, 2021 10:16:58 GMT -5
Now I Have A Machine Gun Ho Ho Ho That line is pretty much my argument for it being a Xmas movie.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 26, 2021 10:27:10 GMT -5
The movie could literally take place at any time of the year and still function fine so it is tangentially at best. What other time of year would have that many office workers in the building after hours? Not many. It has to be a Christmas party. Literally any other type of party. Even something as bigwigs from home office are coming to see the new plaza building.
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Post by BRV on Nov 26, 2021 10:55:03 GMT -5
Of course it is a christmas movie. About the argument that "it just takes place at Christmas but it is not a christmas movie": So do Home Alone, Christmas Vacation, Jingle all the Way and Gremlins. They also do not feature the real Santa Clause but just take place on Xmas. Since the movies are comedies people say that they are Xmas movies. Are only comedies allowed to be christmasmovies? Actionmovies and horrormovies can not be Xmas movies? I do not get it! People who claim otherwise are probably the same people who say that Halloween 3 is not a Halloween movie because Michael Myers is not in the movie (although Halloween 3 deals more with the holiday as the other Halloweenmovies). Die Hard 1 & 2; Jaws the Revenge, Batman Returns, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Lethal Weapon, Black Christmas, Silent Night Deadly Night etc. are Christmas movies! The key difference is that Christmas is an integral part of "Home Alone," "Christmas Vacation," and "Jingle All the Way." Without the actual holiday of Christmas, each would cease to exist - the McAlisters wouldn't be going on vacation, the Griswolds wouldn't be hosting their extended family, and Arnold Schwarzenegger wouldn't be searching in vain for a toy at the last minute. "Die Hard" is Christmas adjacent. Christmas is happening, but it's not relevant to the plot of the movie. The same goes for my hottest of Christmas movie hot takes - "It's a Wonderful Life" is not a Christmas movie. In that movie, Christmas is existing around George Bailey, but the story would exist on any other day of the year. It's closer to "Death of a Salesman" than it is a true Christmas tale.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Nov 26, 2021 11:42:48 GMT -5
Plot is irrelevant. If it takes place at Christmas, it's a Christmas movie.
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Post by brackus on Nov 26, 2021 12:52:34 GMT -5
The key difference is that Christmas is an integral part of "Home Alone," "Christmas Vacation," and "Jingle All the Way." Without the actual holiday of Christmas, each would cease to exist - the McAlisters wouldn't be going on vacation, the Griswolds wouldn't be hosting their extended family, and Arnold Schwarzenegger wouldn't be searching in vain for a toy at the last minute. "Die Hard" is Christmas adjacent. Christmas is happening, but it's not relevant to the plot of the movie. The same goes for my hottest of Christmas movie hot takes - "It's a Wonderful Life" is not a Christmas movie. In that movie, Christmas is existing around George Bailey, but the story would exist on any other day of the year. It's closer to "Death of a Salesman" than it is a true Christmas tale. How is Christmas an "integral part" of Home Alone, Jingle all the way or Griswolds 3? Kevin could have been left alone by his family on any other holiday or normal day (business trip etc.). Schwarzenegger could have hunted for the newest action figure / game console or cell phone for his kid on any other day (nt just ba birthday but also the first day the product is released). The Griswolds could have a family get together at Thanksgiving, a birthday or something like that If Nakatomi, Holly´s employer did not have a Xmas-party John McClane would not be there to save the day on Xmas. SO Xmas IS integral to Die Hard!
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 26, 2021 13:02:55 GMT -5
Plot is irrelevant. If it takes place at Christmas, it's a Christmas movie. Does this mean Spider-Man (2002) counts as a Christmas film? Everything after the Thanksgiving scene technically takes place at Christmas (if not acknowledged or mentioned at all).
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 26, 2021 13:29:00 GMT -5
Plot is irrelevant. If it takes place at Christmas, it's a Christmas movie. Does this also go for video games? If so then Twisted Metal is a Christmas game since the event in game takes place on Christmas.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Nov 26, 2021 14:10:59 GMT -5
Plot is irrelevant. If it takes place at Christmas, it's a Christmas movie. Does this mean Spider-Man (2002) counts as a Christmas film? Everything after the Thanksgiving scene technically takes place at Christmas (if not acknowledged or mentioned at all). Sure. So are iron man 3 and Shazam.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 26, 2021 18:09:42 GMT -5
The key difference is that Christmas is an integral part of "Home Alone," "Christmas Vacation," and "Jingle All the Way." Without the actual holiday of Christmas, each would cease to exist - the McAlisters wouldn't be going on vacation, the Griswolds wouldn't be hosting their extended family, and Arnold Schwarzenegger wouldn't be searching in vain for a toy at the last minute. "Die Hard" is Christmas adjacent. Christmas is happening, but it's not relevant to the plot of the movie. The same goes for my hottest of Christmas movie hot takes - "It's a Wonderful Life" is not a Christmas movie. In that movie, Christmas is existing around George Bailey, but the story would exist on any other day of the year. It's closer to "Death of a Salesman" than it is a true Christmas tale. How is Christmas an "integral part" of Home Alone, Jingle all the way or Griswolds 3? Kevin could have been left alone by his family on any other holiday or normal day (business trip etc.). Schwarzenegger could have hunted for the newest action figure / game console or cell phone for his kid on any other day (nt just ba birthday but also the first day the product is released). The Griswolds could have a family get together at Thanksgiving, a birthday or something like that If Nakatomi, Holly´s employer did not have a Xmas-party John McClane would not be there to save the day on Xmas. SO Xmas IS integral to Die Hard! I don't particularly think Home Alone necessarily had to be done at Christmas but it does add at least another theme of family to the story as to why specifically his Mother was so desperate to find a way home going so far as like pawning her jewelry and stuff. But a 10 year old being left home by themselves while the parents take a big family trip could be told without it. I haven't seen Christmas Vacation recent enough to talk on that. Jingle All the Way is centered around a specific type of Toy chaos that only happens/happened around Christmas. The Tickle Me Elmo, Furby, Cabbage Patch phenomenon when a toy becomes the new IT thing that parents basically start literal fist fights in stores over. That doesn't happen any other time in the year. A large gathering of employees for a party of any sort including something with big wigs from the home office can happen multiple times a year... yes, a Christmas party is the easiest to handwave but it most certainly is not the only time it could have happened.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Nov 26, 2021 18:26:36 GMT -5
No
Like others have said it’s clearly Christmas adjacent but it’s not a Christmas film
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Post by DSR on Nov 26, 2021 18:33:09 GMT -5
How is Christmas an "integral part" of Home Alone, Jingle all the way or Griswolds 3? Kevin could have been left alone by his family on any other holiday or normal day (business trip etc.). Schwarzenegger could have hunted for the newest action figure / game console or cell phone for his kid on any other day (nt just ba birthday but also the first day the product is released). The Griswolds could have a family get together at Thanksgiving, a birthday or something like that If Nakatomi, Holly´s employer did not have a Xmas-party John McClane would not be there to save the day on Xmas. SO Xmas IS integral to Die Hard! I don't particularly think Home Alone necessarily had to be done at Christmas but it does add at least another theme of family to the story as to why specifically his Mother was so desperate to find a way home going so far as like pawning her jewelry and stuff. But a 10 year old being left home by themselves while the parents take a big family trip could be told without it. I haven't seen Christmas Vacation recent enough to talk on that. Jingle All the Way is centered around a specific type of Toy chaos that only happens/happened around Christmas. The Tickle Me Elmo, Furby, Cabbage Patch phenomenon when a toy becomes the new IT thing that parents basically start literal fist fights in stores over. That doesn't happen any other time in the year. A large gathering of employees for a party of any sort including something with big wigs from the home office can happen multiple times a year... yes, a Christmas party is the easiest to handwave but it most certainly is not the only time it could have happened. I don't feel like an estranged husband and wife would try to reunite for a generic work party, though. Not that they couldn't try to patch up their relationship at some other time of the year, but like you said with Home Alone, there's the additional theme of family at play. *shrug*
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Post by Blindkarevik on Nov 26, 2021 18:49:18 GMT -5
If I want an action movie to watch during Christmas: It's a Christmas Movie If I want an action movie to watch during the rest of the year: It's not a Christmas Movie
Yes, the "Christmas Adjacent" argument is valid. But it's in terms of closeness to Christmas at that time of the year, not how close it is in the movie.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 26, 2021 19:14:20 GMT -5
Die Hard and Wonderful Life are in a territory with Lethal Weapon where I can get into them at any point of the year, but they’ve got a notable amount of holiday cheer weaved into their stories, so it just is what it is and I get the urge to especially revisit them around Christmas time.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 27, 2021 16:43:38 GMT -5
HIS WIFE'S NAME IS "HOLLY!" OF COURSE IT IS!
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Post by dirtyoldman on Nov 27, 2021 17:14:12 GMT -5
Who gives a f***? It rocks!
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Nov 27, 2021 18:14:23 GMT -5
Die Hard is a Christmas movie in the sense that it is a secular Christmas movie--December 25th, snow, pine trees, Santa Claus, red and green colours, etc.
In comparison, Prometheus is a Christmas movie in the sense that it is a religious Christmas movies--old king, wise men [sic], star navigation, impossible birth, something that allegedly happened approximately 2000 years ago, etc.
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Post by Hurbster on Nov 27, 2021 20:45:18 GMT -5
Yes. Of course it is. Didn't the director say something to that effect?
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Post by Casey Jones on Dec 11, 2021 23:29:41 GMT -5
Plot is irrelevant. If it takes place at Christmas, it's a Christmas movie. By that ruling you'd have to call Mean Girls a Christmas movie
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