Edge (who is straight) vs. More Famous MJF

[Lizuka #BLM]

It's weird how Miz being set to feud with Edge feels like a bigger deal than the fact he was WWE Champion earlier this year.

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Thread title of the year tbh.

[Chiral]

I was excited to see Edge tonight, but...man. Them aping the Punk/MJF thing so blatantly felt so...TNA. When Edge's music hit I was pumped to see what he'd do next, but then after a commercial break, and two other unrelated backstage segments my hype had cooled down. Then his new feud being Miz...Edge brought his side of the promo (though the work shoot about Miz not standing up for JoMo getting fired was so abysmal that it brought his whole promo down) and Miz just brought his usual "You people don't respect me," "nobody respects me," "nobody gives me my just due," "How dare you", *stumbles over words*, etc. I just felt bummed out by the end of it.

Even when I try to have specific people I wanna see in WWE nowadays this is what I get. Edge talking about how he has a very small window left to wrestle and having him feud with Miz feels like a waste when he talked about all the young people he wanted to face.

[eJm]

Nov 30, 2021 1:21:29 GMT -5 Chiral said:

I was excited to see Edge tonight, but...man. Them aping the Punk/MJF thing so blatantly felt so...TNA.

Like, reading the line out of context (thus I could be wrong about my feelings in context), it felt like something that Dixie Carter or Vince Russo would get a BG James or someone to say when a WWE guy actually mentioned them on the show. “They mentioned us! We must be intimidating!” I’d genuinely have respected it more if they just called him “More Famous MJF” or something because at least it would have been weirdly funny.

Also hilarious it didn’t get much of a reaction from all accounts.

[Mozenrath]

I think the Morrison reference was bullshit to do, like such a WWE move to try to milk a guy you shitcanned, but I am okay with the passing reference to AEW because it at least made sense in the context of Edge putting Miz over as someone who has made it by any objective measure, which, it makes a lot of sense. An Edge feud with Miz could easily feel like Edge slumming it, but this is Edge trying to give it some gravity, which is fair play to him. So, cool in the context of "people know you, Miz, you ARE a big deal", but weak in "Let me try to make it like Morrison being fired has something to do with you, as if you have any stroke on that front."

Edge sounds so different now. Is that as a result of any of his neck work, like did they have to come through his voice box?

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As for Edge and Miz feuding I’m fine with it. I just wish it were Edge and Kevin Owens since I would assume KO is leaving after January, but we could always get KO and Edge at the Rumble.

[eJm]

Oh no, I should clarify, I’m cool with it in general since, like, yeah, of course they should reference it. It got big social media traction. My problem was that it was kind of lame.

Will agree that implying Miz had a hand in firing Morrison was utter bullshit.

[ChitownKnight]

I wonder if this means that we will get Edge and Maryse vs Miz and Beth at the Rumble or something (assuming we get edge vs miz at day 1)

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I'm gonna say it.

It was embarrassing.

WWE say they don't care about AEW or see them as competition and yet here they are, referencing them and trying to copy their work.

It's clear they saw the 2 million views MJF and Punks promo got on YouTube and they were like "Who have WE got to do that?" and then you have your Edge and Miz feud that makes absolutely no sense. A feud that absolutely nobody asked for.

Miss me with it honestly. This company is so devoid of any creativity these days, it's a joke.

I'm sure this is all leading to a Miz/Maryse vs Edge/Beth match that nobody asked for too.

[A Platypus Rave]

Nov 30, 2021 1:49:17 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I think the Morrison reference was bullshit to do, like such a WWE move to try to milk a guy you shitcanned, but I am okay with the passing reference to AEW because it at least made sense in the context of Edge putting Miz over as someone who has made it by any objective measure, which, it makes a lot of sense. An Edge feud with Miz could easily feel like Edge slumming it, but this is Edge trying to give it some gravity, which is fair play to him. So, cool in the context of "people know you, Miz, you ARE a big deal", but weak in "Let me try to make it like Morrison being fired has something to do with you, as if you have any stroke on that front."

Edge sounds so different now. Is that as a result of any of his neck work, like did they have to come through his voice box?

I said the same thing about the Liv segment...

the fact they did this TWICE in one night... is both lazy AND gross.

[eJm]

Nov 30, 2021 4:55:42 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Nov 30, 2021 1:49:17 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I think the Morrison reference was bullshit to do, like such a WWE move to try to milk a guy you shitcanned, but I am okay with the passing reference to AEW because it at least made sense in the context of Edge putting Miz over as someone who has made it by any objective measure, which, it makes a lot of sense. An Edge feud with Miz could easily feel like Edge slumming it, but this is Edge trying to give it some gravity, which is fair play to him. So, cool in the context of "people know you, Miz, you ARE a big deal", but weak in "Let me try to make it like Morrison being fired has something to do with you, as if you have any stroke on that front."

Edge sounds so different now. Is that as a result of any of his neck work, like did they have to come through his voice box?

I said the same thing about the Liv segment...

the fact they did this TWICE in one night... is both lazy AND gross.

And from a kayfabe perspective, it’s not going to lead anywhere. Ruby Riott’s in an entirely different company going for a new belt and Morrison’s made it clear he’s going to be trying different things so it’s not like WWE are going to re-sign him back or anything.

So it just comes off as unneeded shock value when the better solution, for Liv at least, was to build her as a credible contender instead of an “Will they/won’t they” figurehead.

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It's honestly kinda sad that they tried to ape Punk vs MJF literally a week later. It just feels so low rent. Then you add in the kayfabe "Morrison got fired because you weren't there to stick your neck out" which is honestly gross as hell.

[mo]

Morrison stays taking shots after getting fired

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sxtgSngr_WQ

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I'll reiterate what I said in the live thread, you can't just throw two guys together and have this kind of thing work. Like, anyone can throw "worked shoot" lines in their promos; it's not hard to do. WWE saw what AEW did, missed what made it great, and acted like their own attempt was as cool as the original.

And yeah, this kayfabing of people who were fired is gross.

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I watched it this morning given the chatter around it and...ooooof. IMO it was probably Edge's worst mic work since he came back from his injury. Some of it was the crowd not giving a shit, some of it was the lines not sounding totally believable. I think the biggest mistake was to have Edge start talking about wrestling AJ Styles and all of a sudden now he's in a shitty program with Miz. I actually think Edge/AJ is going to end up being the Mania match, but still.

If we really want to talk rent-free living, coming out and doing a very similar promo to Punk's is about as rent-free living as it gets, right? There were other ways to have started this feud that didn't involve some sort of shitty worked shoot promo battle.

Finally, using people's real-life terminations in promos needs to stop. It was shitty 10 years ago and it's still shitty now.

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I'm not surprised. Miz as WWE Champion should not have happened.

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This wasn't TNA in 2008; this wasn't even Russo-era WCW. This felt like 1988 World Class.

When you've spent over 20 years never having to mention the competition, bringing up AEW promos and talent releases feels an awful lot as though the business is taking up rent-free residence in Vince's head. It's as if he knows he has to up his game on the booking, but has lost all skill in how to do that.

It all feels kind of awkward at this point. It didn't help that Balor got bitched out tonight on the opener (with his contract status still unknown), but even Edge's appearance only underscored the awkwardness. WWE feels empty besides the seats.

[Gerard Gerard]

I didn't see the show. Did WWE actually directly reference AEW on RAW last night or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

[Lizuka #BLM]

Nov 30, 2021 8:48:50 GMT -5 Gerard Gerard said:

I didn't see the show. Did WWE actually directly reference AEW on RAW last night or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

It was kind of an indirect reference, Edge saying that even other wrestling shows like to namedrop him.

[Mozenrath]

Nov 30, 2021 8:14:33 GMT -5 @kn said:

I'm not surprised. Miz as WWE Champion should not have happened.

Honestly, both times made sense to me.

Most recent time was to set up Bobby Lashley's win with a bargain between Miz and Lashley that got away from Miz, which made sense, even if honestly, they may as well have just had Otis cash in and have Lashley wreck him, since it's not like they cared about Otis's credibility at that point.

First time also honestly was fine, it set up Cena vs Rock, which obviously WWE wanted to do, and he won it off of Orton, who tends to be kind of a bad champion most of the time, frankly.