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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Dec 17, 2021 23:10:08 GMT -5
The Owen Hart Womens' Cup... That sounds weird.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 18, 2021 1:03:24 GMT -5
They’re single elimination tournaments starting in May and culminating at Double or Nothing I wonder if they’re gonna try and have Double or Nothing in Canada for the finals of the Owen Cup tourneys. Would make so much sense, and the long time between now and DoN gives a lot of room for it happening.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 1:28:55 GMT -5
The Owen Hart Womens' Cup... That sounds weird. Agreed. I'm really happy Owen is being honored, but that seems a little random.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 18, 2021 1:29:54 GMT -5
I thought I was pretty smart until I started trying to figure out how scoring works in round robin tournaments.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 18, 2021 1:45:42 GMT -5
They’re single elimination tournaments starting in May and culminating at Double or Nothing I wonder if they’re gonna try and have Double or Nothing in Canada for the finals of the Owen Cup tourneys. Would make so much sense, and the long time between now and DoN gives a lot of room for it happening. DoN is in Vegas
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Post by Fake Jesus on Dec 18, 2021 3:23:47 GMT -5
They’re single elimination tournaments starting in May and culminating at Double or Nothing Don't take this for one second as me dismissing the legitimate sentiment behind the tournaments, because it isn't. BUT... I can't help but be a little bit underwhelmed that it's going to be two stock-standard single-elimination tournaments. A lot of people talk about doing a round-robin tournament because nobody else with such a high profile does one outside of New Japan, and it just could've been something a little bit different to get to the same endpoints. I'm sure I'll forget about it once we find out the general gist of who's going to be in the thing (types of wrestlers, free agents, etc.). AEW will probably never do a round robin tournament. New Japan can do one because they have a fixed roster who tend to always be in them, because the New Japan style of booking is like the premier league or F1 where the drama comes from seeing how their main guys match up over the year and over years, because in New Japan you could book Okada vs Tanahashi (again) tomorrow and everyone would be salivating to see it. AEW has a high quality in-ring product but it doesn't work like that, they don't like to do big match-ups for the sake of doing them, because they're on TV 52 weeks a year and they want to keep things fresh, which WWE shows us even a huge roster can't guarantee.
I would have preferred a one-night classic KOTR style tournament, but I think single-elimination was always the most likely
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 18, 2021 4:15:09 GMT -5
They’re single elimination tournaments starting in May and culminating at Double or Nothing I wonder if they’re gonna try and have Double or Nothing in Canada for the finals of the Owen Cup tourneys. Would make so much sense, and the long time between now and DoN gives a lot of room for it happening. The plan has been for Vegas to always have DoN to capture a US holiday weekend gate in a tourist city, and I don't see them deviating from that just yet, especially since it's missed Vegas two years in a row. Also, I live in Vegas, and I want my damn show back.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 18, 2021 10:36:13 GMT -5
Don't take this for one second as me dismissing the legitimate sentiment behind the tournaments, because it isn't. BUT... I can't help but be a little bit underwhelmed that it's going to be two stock-standard single-elimination tournaments. A lot of people talk about doing a round-robin tournament because nobody else with such a high profile does one outside of New Japan, and it just could've been something a little bit different to get to the same endpoints. I'm sure I'll forget about it once we find out the general gist of who's going to be in the thing (types of wrestlers, free agents, etc.). AEW will probably never do a round robin tournament. New Japan can do one because they have a fixed roster who tend to always be in them, because the New Japan style of booking is like the premier league or F1 where the drama comes from seeing how their main guys match up over the year and over years, because in New Japan you could book Okada vs Tanahashi (again) tomorrow and everyone would be salivating to see it. AEW has a high quality in-ring product but it doesn't work like that, they don't like to do big match-ups for the sake of doing them, because they're on TV 52 weeks a year and they want to keep things fresh, which WWE shows us even a huge roster can't guarantee. I would have preferred a one-night classic KOTR style tournament, but I think single-elimination was always the most likely
Agreed: the G1 is a 20-man field, and AEW trying to book something on that scale for both the mens' and womens' divisions would just be a logistical nightmare to book in any sort of reasonable timeframe. NJPW, AJPW, and NOAH can all pull off their versions of a massive round robin since each individual show they book revolves around the tournament matches; nearly all other stories, feuds, etc. are put on the back burner, while they book tournament matches up to 3-4 times a week during the height of a tour. You'd be stuck relegating a bunch of those matches to Dark, and while AEW's done online-exclusive matches for some tournaments before I'm sure there'd rather avoid that when possible. That said? I think something like a simple four man/four woman field would be doable, and you can book the couple months early in spring leading up to the Owen tournament as various wrestlers angling to be put in position to claim a highly coveted spot; that way, just the act of competing in the tournament is already enough to act as a big kayfabe prize and a way to put someone over, so even if someone finished the tournament 0-3 they'd still have the accolade of having simply made it to the dance. Granted, a small field like that would likely mean a ton of stuff involving tie breakers or whatever; that's easier to handle in a field like the G1 since each competitor gets nine matches, so there's tons of "you beat this guy, the guy you're tied with didn't, you win" scenarios you can fall back on, so it might just not be worth the headache? Either way, I'm still down for it: I love tournaments in wrestling, I love the idea of them acting as de facto "titles"/major kayfabe accomplishments, I love how many feuds and stories you can get out of whatever happens between the various competitors, etc. I'm curious if the Owen becoming a regular thing means they cut back on one of the other tournaments they've tended to do during a calendar year so far, but that remains to be seen.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 18, 2021 10:39:14 GMT -5
i'd be amused if britt and cole end up as the winners just for tony's reaction on commentary.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 18, 2021 11:04:05 GMT -5
I had Kevin Owens as my winner but he re-signed to the E so ain’t got a clue.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2021 11:05:43 GMT -5
It would be cool if Mark Henry is able to enter.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 18, 2021 12:46:06 GMT -5
I hope they can get Bret to appear for the finals perhaps?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 18, 2021 12:53:40 GMT -5
I'm sure it'll be good, but man, it really feels like tournaments have swallowed up the booking in AEW, especially the women's booking. Tournaments are an easy way to build up a potential contender in fairness.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 18, 2021 13:43:47 GMT -5
At least these only start in May, far away from any ongoing tournaments, and hopefully due to their attempt at importance, not surrounded by other tournaments.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 18, 2021 13:57:15 GMT -5
Starting in May is definitely welcome because AEW has some serious tournament fatigue right now I think.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 18, 2021 16:35:46 GMT -5
They’re single elimination tournaments starting in May and culminating at Double or Nothing I wonder if they’re gonna try and have Double or Nothing in Canada for the finals of the Owen Cup tourneys. Would make so much sense, and the long time between now and DoN gives a lot of room for it happening. Seems unlikely. COVID still an issue making it hard to plan. Most provinces just put arena’s back to half capacity again, who knows for how long because god knows we’ve all been told “it’s only for 3 weeks” before, but then I’m sure there’ll be a post Christmas wave which will extend the lockdowns further etc. Plus, AEW seems pretty firm on DoN being an annual May Long event in Vegas and All Out being an annual September Long event in Chicago. I doubt they move from that anytime soon, they really wanna establish a handful of dates where they work the same cities every year
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 18, 2021 17:42:15 GMT -5
At least these only start in May, far away from any ongoing tournaments, and hopefully due to their attempt at importance, not surrounded by other tournaments. So what you're saying is, we need more tournaments
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Dec 18, 2021 18:05:36 GMT -5
I sure hope the actual Cup resembles a Slammy award. Then the winners must triumphantly hold the cup aloft and let out a joyfully "Wooo!"
My obscenely-too-early guesses for the winners: Deeb and Silver.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Dec 20, 2021 8:42:47 GMT -5
i'd like it to be drawn every round, like the FA Cup (Uk Football) instead of fixed brackets. so you don't know who you could face in the next round. would make it more interesting.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 23, 2021 12:55:17 GMT -5
Am I wrong for hoping they make the Owen Hart Cup almost like a Young Lions Cup?
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