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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 18, 2021 12:03:37 GMT -5
You think the Outsiders first tag title run de valued the tag titles in a weird way. It just seemed beneth them, they spent a majority of that time in single feuds, either with the 4 Horsemen and Piper, the Giant, Larry Zybszko, etc., and it was like a side thing to them. At some point maybe they should have giving the titles to the nWo B teamers.
Compare that to Arn and Tully in 87 / 88, they were also establish single stars and went after the tag titles, and it didn't hurt the division, and it didn't feel beneath them.
We know the tag titles were pittens to one of them at least.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 18, 2021 12:13:21 GMT -5
I think Hall and Syxx were better to hold the tag titles. Nash gets the US title and Hogan gets the WCW title.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 18, 2021 12:23:21 GMT -5
I think Hall and Syxx were better to hold the tag titles. Nash gets the US title and Hogan gets the WCW title. Yup and also keeps Waltman away from the Cruiserweight division. That whole reign was pointless. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 15:44:06 GMT -5
See, I wouldn't even blame them because it's so weird to have an invading force trying to take over a company and still have things like tag belts. I get it because it's wrestling and there's even a psychological significance to one side holding the titles vs the other one but it's like, "The NWO beat Ric Flair to a bloody pulp backstage...coming up, can Public Enemy hold on to their tag team titles? Stay tuned!"
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2021 15:46:57 GMT -5
I think the main problem was them losing it and immediately getting it back via shenanigans. Doing it once is fine. Doing it twice is overkill. And those title changes got huge pops. But they waited too long to actually do it and by the time it happened, it was too late and didn't even feature Hall and Nash.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 18, 2021 21:27:44 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Hall and Nash holding the tag titles opposite Hogan with the World title was solid booking, and fans were invested in top tag teams like Harlem Heat and The Steiners trying to take them back. However, it was the teams not in top contention that suffered from not being featured much on programming. High Voltage, Public Enemy, Wrath and Mortis, etc. never got to look on the same level.
Then comes 1998, where they break up every major tag team so one of them can shock join the nWo. The Steiners drop the titles when Scott joins the nWo. The Outsiders split when Hall defects from the Wolfpac to nWo Hollywood, but the team of The Giant (nWo Hollywood) and Sting (WCW, but joins the Wolfpac during this angle) has the titles, so the belts bounce between random nWo pairings with no regard to rhyme or reason. In the midst of this, Harlem Heat break up when Stevie Ray joins nWo Hollywood. Somehow, Rick Steiner gets hold of the titles and teams with Judy Bagwell and Kenny Kaos. Even the few teams on the undercard like Faces of Fear, High Voltage, Public Enemy, Amazing French Canadians either get broken up or leave the company.
That's what killed the tag division in 1998, not necessarily the Outsiders having a stranglehold on the titles, because it meant something when The Steiners were able to eventually wrestle away a title from the nWo when Hogan couldn't drop the world title.
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Post by moonpies88 on Dec 19, 2021 7:50:19 GMT -5
Hog Wild 1996- Harlem Heat retains title against Steiners thanks to help from Sherri and Col Parker
Halloween Havoc 1996---The Outsiders defeat Harlem Heat
Souled Out 1997- Steiners defeat The Outsiders even though NWO referee NIck Patrick was the ref
Next night- Nash and Hall and Bischoff confront Nick Patrick, Patrick says he was tired of being bullied around by the NWO, Nash powerbombs him and Bischoff kicks him out
Uncensored 97--The Faces of Fear defeat The Steiners for the tag titles after Hall and Nash interfere
Next night--Hall and Nash defeat The Faces of Fear for the Tag Titles
Spring Stampede 97---Hall and Nash defeat The Steiners as Syxx interferes, injuring Scott Steiner
Slamboree 97---Ric Flair and Roddy Piper defeat Hall and Nash for Tag Titles (Flair Country)
Great American Bash 97---Nash and Hall win the titles from Flair and Piper
Starrcade 97---Rick Steiner and (mystery partner Scott Steiner) defeat Nash and Hall to win the titles
Souled Out 98--Nash and Hall defeat Rick and Scott as Scott turns on Rick
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Post by petef3 on Dec 19, 2021 11:29:27 GMT -5
I think Bischoff himself did more to damage the tag belts, since he openly didn't really care about them and wanted to get rid of "concept tag teams" even before the Outsiders showed up.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2021 11:43:44 GMT -5
I don't feel like they devalued it, no. I'm not going to pretend they didn't have issues, but Screwball's post makes a case for what the bigger issue was, with the division being stripmined to fuel the nWo angle.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 19, 2021 13:19:42 GMT -5
I think all the screwy booking did that more than anything. There was just so much nonsense that went into NWO stuff.
Nobody took the belts seriously after awhile. And not just the tag belts either.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 19, 2021 13:37:08 GMT -5
Well, Dallas Winston couldn't be trusted with his demons, and Ponyboy was a vanilla midget. Two-Bit was the star of the group, but he never got the push
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 15:28:36 GMT -5
Well, Dallas Winston couldn't be trusted with his demons, and Ponyboy was a vanilla midget. Two-Bit was the star of the group, but he never got the push I was such a hipster goof in high school that I had to point out to my teacher that Tom Waits was in the movie. |
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Dec 20, 2021 5:54:43 GMT -5
Hog Wild 1996- Harlem Heat retains title against Steiners thanks to help from Sherri and Col Parker Halloween Havoc 1996---The Outsiders defeat Harlem Heat Souled Out 1997- Steiners defeat The Outsiders even though NWO referee NIck Patrick was the ref Next night- Nash and Hall and Bischoff confront Nick Patrick, Patrick says he was tired of being bullied around by the NWO, Nash powerbombs him and Bischoff kicks him out Uncensored 97--The Faces of Fear defeat The Steiners for the tag titles after Hall and Nash interfere Next night--Hall and Nash defeat The Faces of Fear for the Tag Titles Spring Stampede 97---Hall and Nash defeat The Steiners as Syxx interferes, injuring Scott Steiner Slamboree 97---Ric Flair and Roddy Piper defeat Hall and Nash for Tag Titles (Flair Country) Great American Bash 97---Nash and Hall win the titles from Flair and Piper Starrcade 97---Rick Steiner and (mystery partner Scott Steiner) defeat Nash and Hall to win the titles Souled Out 98--Nash and Hall defeat Rick and Scott as Scott turns on Rick Huh?? Is that your fantasy booking of what should have happened? I'm confused |
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Post by tafkaga on Dec 20, 2021 9:31:59 GMT -5
They didn't devalue the championship. They devalued the other tag teams. If the belts had been hotly contested and a team like Harlem Heat was eventually able to beat them clean for the belt, it would have really boosted the tag team division. Instead, the tag team division ended up looking like none of them were good enough to be champions.
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Post by moonpies88 on Dec 20, 2021 12:42:37 GMT -5
Hog Wild 1996- Harlem Heat retains title against Steiners thanks to help from Sherri and Col Parker Halloween Havoc 1996---The Outsiders defeat Harlem Heat Souled Out 1997- Steiners defeat The Outsiders even though NWO referee NIck Patrick was the ref Next night- Nash and Hall and Bischoff confront Nick Patrick, Patrick says he was tired of being bullied around by the NWO, Nash powerbombs him and Bischoff kicks him out Uncensored 97--The Faces of Fear defeat The Steiners for the tag titles after Hall and Nash interfere Next night--Hall and Nash defeat The Faces of Fear for the Tag Titles Spring Stampede 97---Hall and Nash defeat The Steiners as Syxx interferes, injuring Scott Steiner Slamboree 97---Ric Flair and Roddy Piper defeat Hall and Nash for Tag Titles (Flair Country) Great American Bash 97---Nash and Hall win the titles from Flair and Piper Starrcade 97---Rick Steiner and (mystery partner Scott Steiner) defeat Nash and Hall to win the titles Souled Out 98--Nash and Hall defeat Rick and Scott as Scott turns on Rick Huh?? Is that your fantasy booking of what should have happened? I'm confused yes fantasy |
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