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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 19, 2021 21:19:17 GMT -5
Remember when Bubba Ray had a teleporting bepis? Good times.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Dec 19, 2021 21:19:50 GMT -5
Liv didn't teleport, I think we were supposed to be seeing it from her POV.
Um .... yeah that's all I have to say
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 19, 2021 21:23:46 GMT -5
Of course the babyface had to look stupid at the beginning. WWE after all.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 19, 2021 21:25:11 GMT -5
It’s astounding how completely detached WWE is from, like, the most basic, comprehensible form of reality when it comes to storytelling anymore. Nothing makes even just a little sense, even by accident.
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Post by mistery on Dec 19, 2021 21:26:54 GMT -5
This angle is dumb but its pretty clear WWE is desperately trying to build up Liv as some sort of credible threat. Problem is that the audience doesn't care all that much about her compared to Becky. And we all know Becky is retaining at Day 1 anyways. And then Liv will fall back down the card and be back on Main Event before the end of 2022.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 19, 2021 21:30:28 GMT -5
Liv didn't teleport, I think we were supposed to be seeing it from her POV. Um .... yeah that's all I have to say That's what it was supposed to be. However that also doesn't explain where the kendo stick came from (it wasn't seen when she was opening the door and she opened it with her good hand) and also how the guys surrounding the ring somehow didn't notice her getting into the ring.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 19, 2021 21:32:25 GMT -5
This angle is dumb but its pretty clear WWE is desperately trying to build up Liv as some sort of credible threat. Problem is that the audience doesn't care all that much about her compared to Becky. And we all know Becky is retaining at Day 1 anyways. And then Liv will fall back down the card and be back on Main Event before the end of 2022. She's clearly well liked and pretty over. Not as much as Becky but nobody is as over Becky so that's nothing to hold against her.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 19, 2021 21:33:46 GMT -5
The whole thing is a mess:
Fans do not want to boo Becky. So any woman who faces her will get AT BEST a split reaction. Becky should not be a heel.
Liv had not been built up well. She was losing two minute matches to Carmella a couple of months ago, was not allowed to do much at SS, really has not won much at all, and has looked like a loser idiot for too much of this feud.
No one buys Liv is gonna win in the end anyway. There ain’t know Owen Hart pinning Bret clean at WrestleMania, or Eddie Guerrero pinning Brock Lesnar, type of big upsets in WWE these days. The “new star” does NOT get to beat the established one to cement themselves these days. And WWE uses the newer feuds as filler until they go back to the old feuds that have already been run into the ground. So no one believes they’d have to balls to actually let Liv beat Becky in the end.
WWE cannot book baby faces well at all these days.
Etc.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 19, 2021 21:36:18 GMT -5
There's also a big problem with the perspective continuity going on here; it's 'supposed to be' from Liv's perspective, but we're also getting cuts to angles that definitely aren't hers, and the actual action she takes of getting into the ring is totally lost here, with her going from watching stuff at ringside to a few new angles to Liv suddenly standing there. I see the intention but it super doesn't work from an actual direction standpoint at all, they've spliced in multiple perspective shots but then also failed to show what the perspective character is doing, which is jarring and really, really basic. Rather than changing perspective at a suspenseful and dramatic time to show Liv's arrival, they go back and forth where it doesn't matter and then omit her most important action.
Like it's nonsense from a narrative perspective, obviously. But in terms of actual visual language, it's complete amateur hour.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 19, 2021 21:39:04 GMT -5
Of course the babyface had to look stupid at the beginning. WWE after all. I mean in her defense how would she have known that Becky is apparently telepathic and would have this elaborate set up where found someone who looked like her to confuse Liv when she showed up? I mean what would've happened if Liv never had shown up? Also at least she recovered and was able to come back and clear Becky from the ring which was very un WWE like. Normally they would've just had Becky continue beating the crap out of her and leave her laying because babyfaces suck and can't do anything right.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 19, 2021 21:42:16 GMT -5
I mean if they really wanted her to look good, she would have left Becky battered and beaten in the middle of the ring.
You know, like they did with Babyface Brock tearing through the Bloodline this week and, gasp, everyone loved that.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 19, 2021 21:46:06 GMT -5
The whole thing is a mess: Fans do not want to boo Becky. So any woman who faces her will get AT BEST a split reaction. Becky should not be a heel. Liv had not been built up well. She was losing two minute matches to Carmella a couple of months ago, was not allowed to do much at SS, really has not won much at all, and has looked like a loser idiot for too much of this feud. No one buys Liv is gonna win in the end anyway. There ain’t know Owen Hart pinning Bret clean at WrestleMania, or Eddie Guerrero pinning Brock Lesnar, type of big upsets in WWE these days. The “new star” does NOT get to beat the established one to cement themselves these days. And WWE uses the newer feuds as filler until they go back to the old feuds that have already been run into the ground. So no one believes they’d have to balls to actually let Liv beat Becky in the end. WWE cannot book baby faces well at all these days. Etc. I still have no idea why she didn't win that match. I mean I guess they at least let her get a pin before getting eliminated but she needed a lot more then that. Like if you are trying to build her as a title challenger for Becky and she's really in need of credible wins why not have her be the survivor? Bianca didn't need that win at all. If they wanted to protect Bianca they could've had her get counted out or DQed or hell have both her and Liv survive. It made no sense and kind of gave away the outcome of this feud in that it showed that they aren't behind Liv and similar to Toni on SD is just a stop gap to bide time until it's back to status quo for Mania season when things matter.
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Post by Lille Matthew Goldenberg on Dec 19, 2021 21:57:11 GMT -5
Did not see this thread before I ended up making my now deleted one. But this was both stupid and funny for every single wrong reason. Liv can teleport and pull random objects out of thin air (what does she think this is Scott Pilgrim) Becky has pre-cog powers so she somehow knew well ahead of time to be able to stage an entire training session AND have a stunt double all prepared while she waited on LIV to attack. just lol. This made me think of Scott Keith's rant about the Billy & Chuck vs. 3 Minute Warning match at Unforgiven 2002. Scott Keith is the worst. Thanks for reminding me he existed.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 19, 2021 21:59:15 GMT -5
This angle is dumb but its pretty clear WWE is desperately trying to build up Liv as some sort of credible threat. Problem is that the audience doesn't care all that much about her compared to Becky. And we all know Becky is retaining at Day 1 anyways. And then Liv will fall back down the card and be back on Main Event before the end of 2022. She's clearly well liked and pretty over. Not as much as Becky but nobody is as over Becky so that's nothing to hold against her. Eh she doesn't get big reactions on RAW when she's on TV. And that's not a knock on her. Toni's in the same boat on SmackDown. They just aren't seen as stars.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 22:06:43 GMT -5
It is an obvious statement but WWE thinks so little of their audience that they think they can keep running the same f***ing pattern and nobody is gonna catch on.
Liv is not winning at Day 1 BUT on the off chance lets just say she does....she is losing it right back to Becky by the rumble because they would never run long term with Liv especially not going into the build for Mania and it is the exact same way with Toni.
And so no one has a reason to get invested because everyone can already see where this road leads and it is the same every...single...time.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 19, 2021 22:08:13 GMT -5
She's clearly well liked and pretty over. Not as much as Becky but nobody is as over Becky so that's nothing to hold against her. Eh she doesn't get big reactions on RAW when she's on TV. And that's not a knock on her. Toni's in the same boat on SmackDown. They just aren't seen as stars. I admittedly don't watch much but in clips I've watched it seems like fans react to her even when Becky just mentions her name in promos. Like in the one where Becky was running down the fans for wanting new people and mentioned Liv, Bianca, and Rhea; compared to the other two she definitely got a bigger pop then Rhea and was about on par with Bianca. Seemed like she got a good pop when she confronted Becky for the first time too. It did seem like they weren't into her that much for the title match a few weeks ago which was the first full Raw I watched in quite while but then again they seemed even kind of tepid for Becky too so that might have just been a flat crowd.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 19, 2021 22:11:19 GMT -5
The whole thing is a mess: Fans do not want to boo Becky. So any woman who faces her will get AT BEST a split reaction. Becky should not be a heel. Liv had not been built up well. She was losing two minute matches to Carmella a couple of months ago, was not allowed to do much at SS, really has not won much at all, and has looked like a loser idiot for too much of this feud. No one buys Liv is gonna win in the end anyway. There ain’t know Owen Hart pinning Bret clean at WrestleMania, or Eddie Guerrero pinning Brock Lesnar, type of big upsets in WWE these days. The “new star” does NOT get to beat the established one to cement themselves these days. And WWE uses the newer feuds as filler until they go back to the old feuds that have already been run into the ground. So no one believes they’d have to balls to actually let Liv beat Becky in the end. WWE cannot book baby faces well at all these days. Etc. I still have no idea why she didn't win that match. I mean I guess they at least let her get a pin before getting eliminated but she needed a lot more then that. Like if you are trying to build her as a title challenger for Becky and she's really in need of credible wins why not have her be the survivor? Bianca didn't need that win at all. If they wanted to protect Bianca they could've had her get counted out or DQed or hell have both her and Liv survive. It made no sense and kind of gave away the outcome of this feud in that it showed that they aren't behind Liv and similar to Toni on SD is just a stop gap to bide time until it's back to status quo for Mania season when things matter.
WWE likely thought Bianca needed that win more due to taking losses to Becky.
As for the video, it's the most poignant WWE mistaken identity since Dana accidentally grabbed the wrong briefcase at MITB 2020 before getting chastised by a poorly edited-in Stephanie McMahon.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 19, 2021 22:24:36 GMT -5
It is an obvious statement but WWE thinks so little of their audience that they think they can keep running the same f***ing pattern and nobody is gonna catch on. Liv is not winning at Day 1 BUT on the off chance lets just say she does....she is losing it right back to Becky by the rumble because they would never run long term with Liv especially not going into the build for Mania and it is the exact same way with Toni. And so no one has a reason to get invested because everyone can already see where this road leads and it is the same every...single...time. I mean it isn't going to happen but they should have Liv win by cheating either by using the ropes like Becky does or hitting her with an arm cast "Cowboy" Bob Orton style and then have Becky win it back at the Rumble. Would be unexpected, pays off Becky saying that Liv doesn't have the killer instinct, Becky would lose nothing from it, and then she would still get the belt back quick therefore giving them enough time to have a long enough build for whatever the Mania plan is which is likely her against Bianca again.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 19, 2021 22:29:11 GMT -5
Have Liv go to Becky's training school and fight her, you don't need to add bullshit like Liv attacking a fake Becky and Becky getting the drop on her.
Wrestling is not that difficult to think up a coherent story.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 19, 2021 22:29:21 GMT -5
I'm so confused by all of this. Like how would Liv know that Becky was at some random training center? I'm going to guess this is the Black and Brave Academy, which is owned by Seth Rollins. That's the only thing that makes sense in any of this. Though I don't think they've made much mention of Seth and Becky's IRL wrestling school on TV much.
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