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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 20, 2021 19:37:27 GMT -5
I mean I think Flair is a trash person and I disagree with him but at least he's phrasing it as his opinion and not a fact. Yeah, agreed. With him saying he thinks he’s “good”, it’s like, “Well, alright. Dude’s own opinion”. In saying that “HHH made Bryan”, I just laugh at. I will say that the Triple H/Authority story leading up to Mania 20 did put Bryan over the top into becoming an iconic superstar, from where he was before.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 20, 2021 19:38:13 GMT -5
Nobody even said Flair didnt draw , they said he is worst wrestler than Bryan. The only perso talking about drawing are the ones saying "people are revisiting his drawing power" There’s someone in this very thread downplaying Flair’s legacy because the NWA was “second rate.”
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Post by THE FVNKER on Dec 20, 2021 20:00:56 GMT -5
I swear, for as level-headed as this forum can be, it's almost embarrassing reading the replies on here with people talking about how this/that wrestler is a "shit human", "piece of garbage," etc.. as if anyone here knows them personally. I'm not saying Flair and the like shouldn't face repercussions or acknowledge what they did in the past, but this board is full to the brim with people throwing stones in houses that inevitably are glass.
Do better guys.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 20, 2021 20:09:56 GMT -5
Sacrilege! NWA had the better talent and was better respected than the cartoonish WWF of the time. It's just plain wrong to call it a second rate promotion. Yeah, that was more of a regional thing at the time and the promotions were 1a and 1b, if anything. You couldn't tell my Carolinian grandparents that the top promotion was anything other than Crockett/NWA. I do think that Flair is spouting off to try and have people discussing things other than DSOTR, and I vehemently disagree with his opinion, but I don't think you can reasonably argue that Flair was anything other than one of the greatest and most popular professional wrestlers of all time. That's just revisionist history. So his solution to people hating him over the plane ride fiasco is to take swipes at one of the most beloved figures in the modern wrestling biz?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 20, 2021 20:12:22 GMT -5
I'd be totally fine if we just stopped quoting Ric Flair all together. It's not like he ever says anything worth a shit. Imagine how his ego would hurt if people just ignored him. He only started this podcast because WWE and AEW can't touch him after the DSOTR episode and this was his way of keeping his name out there and it works because every week now you hear about his latest takes.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 20, 2021 20:17:57 GMT -5
Has Ric been drinking again. He never stopped. Little bout with multiple organ failure never hurt nobody.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 20:20:31 GMT -5
So basically he's saying that in his eyes he believe that while Bryan is great, he's never had one of those "hey this match defines this superstar and elevates them into godly territory" like others. I mean, man I don't know. That's his opinion and all but it's not really Bryan's fault that he was in WWE's system all those years and they limited what he could do in the ring as they limit everybody not named Roman Reigns.
That's one thing I always say about people when they bring up people in the ring at WWE. It's extremely hard to judge these people and what they can do when they're being told they have to hold back. Like the whole Hook vs Dominic Mysterio conversation I saw people having these past few weeks. Bruh, Dom would be going all out if he were in AEW and he'd look amazing while Hook would be nerfed like Dom is if he were in WWE. These two different environments mean so much in character presentation. In context to this Bryan thing that Flair's talking about, Bryan's been held back so much (to the point where Bryan even said Vince was overprotective of him) that it's hard to say "well he isn't at this level because he hasn't had this kind of match." Even so he's still had amazing matches regardless of holding back and that says something. It says a lot.
So personally I'd say that nah Ric you're wrong. Bryan's at that top tier level, he just hasn't had that kind of match that defines him in your eyes because the system he operated under. Even so, his greatest matches in WWE were still amazing even though he went against part-timers and a then injury prone Orton. That's good enough for me I'd say.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2021 20:25:29 GMT -5
I swear, for as level-headed as this forum can be, it's almost embarrassing reading the replies on here with people talking about how this/that wrestler is a "shit human", "piece of garbage," etc.. as if anyone here knows them personally. I'm not saying Flair and the like shouldn't face repercussions or acknowledge what they did in the past, but this board is full to the brim with people throwing stones in houses that inevitably are glass. Do better guys. I've never shown my penis to a flight attendant or supported a white supremacist politician, so I know for sure I'm a better human being than Ric Flair.
Honestly, if anyone here was actually worse than Ric Flair, they'd belong in jail.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 20, 2021 20:27:34 GMT -5
I swear, for as level-headed as this forum can be, it's almost embarrassing reading the replies on here with people talking about how this/that wrestler is a "shit human", "piece of garbage," etc.. as if anyone here knows them personally. I'm not saying Flair and the like shouldn't face repercussions or acknowledge what they did in the past, but this board is full to the brim with people throwing stones in houses that inevitably are glass. Do better guys. Yeah! Ric isn't a bad guy for sexually harassing all those women! Or taking all those loans he'd never pay off! Or pawning off the rolex Shawn bought him!
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Post by THE FVNKER on Dec 20, 2021 20:32:50 GMT -5
I swear, for as level-headed as this forum can be, it's almost embarrassing reading the replies on here with people talking about how this/that wrestler is a "shit human", "piece of garbage," etc.. as if anyone here knows them personally. I'm not saying Flair and the like shouldn't face repercussions or acknowledge what they did in the past, but this board is full to the brim with people throwing stones in houses that inevitably are glass. Do better guys. Yeah! Ric isn't a bad guy for sexually harassing all those women! Or taking all those loans he'd never pay off! Or pawning off the rolex Shawn bought him! It's not like I said he or anyone else never did anything bad. I just think it's weird to go on the internet and judge someone while literally not knowing them personally at all. I'm not here to represent Flair or anyone else. I just think it's a waste of time to just get on here and flog people.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2021 20:37:43 GMT -5
Also, that dude calling the NWA a "second rate promotion" is pretty hilarious when WWE was the New York City area territory of NWA for quite some time until they split off for good in the 80's.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 20, 2021 21:20:49 GMT -5
Yeah! Ric isn't a bad guy for sexually harassing all those women! Or taking all those loans he'd never pay off! Or pawning off the rolex Shawn bought him! It's not like I said he or anyone else never did anything bad. I just think it's weird to go on the internet and judge someone while literally not knowing them personally at all. I'm not here to represent Flair or anyone else. I just think it's a waste of time to just get on here and flog people. That's how internet forums are man, and the internet in general, whether justified or not (And pretty justified in Ric's case) there are always people on every corner of the internet who will make opinionated calls on someones character, especially when skeletons in their closet come to light, and piles of them at that in some cases. It's not wrong to think it a waste of time, but you also are gonna have a hard time telling people how they should feel about someone right or wrong.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Dec 20, 2021 21:51:37 GMT -5
It's not like I said he or anyone else never did anything bad. I just think it's weird to go on the internet and judge someone while literally not knowing them personally at all. I'm not here to represent Flair or anyone else. I just think it's a waste of time to just get on here and flog people. That's how internet forums are man, and the internet in general, whether justified or not (And pretty justified in Ric's case) there are always people on every corner of the internet who will make opinionated calls on someones character, especially when skeletons in their closet come to light, and piles of them at that in some cases. It's not wrong to think it a waste of time, but you also are gonna have a hard time telling people how they should feel about someone right or wrong. I don't disagree with that. Matter of fact I appreciate your eloquence.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 20, 2021 21:58:06 GMT -5
That's how internet forums are man, and the internet in general, whether justified or not (And pretty justified in Ric's case) there are always people on every corner of the internet who will make opinionated calls on someones character, especially when skeletons in their closet come to light, and piles of them at that in some cases. It's not wrong to think it a waste of time, but you also are gonna have a hard time telling people how they should feel about someone right or wrong. I don't disagree with that. Matter of fact I appreciate your eloquence. Not a problem, I get where you're coming from. We just had a less than eloquent exchange in the Guevara thread over judging characteer and it got locked. I think there's a time and a place to judge people who you personally don't know off of their past or even recent mistakes. Sometime's its straight forward and sometimes it's more complicated, but people are going to judge and react to others differently depending on what exactly those people have done and especially if it's a fresh wound. Flair suddenly getting a big mouth on Twitter in the wake of Dark Side of the Ring making his reputation nuclear isn't helping his cause. What he said is a dumb hot take in isolation, but it's only amplified due to his current situation (Which he also hasn't helped making Twitter statements since deleted at the behest of his own lawyer), so I can understand being upset because we don't know Ric Flair the person, but I can also get why people are frustrated because it feels liike Ric, who is already down pretty bad, is doing nothing but add gasoline to his own fire.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 20, 2021 22:00:22 GMT -5
NWA, and Ric's run atop it, can't be denied without it being a bit silly. Like the only thing I would point to as something Ric fell behind in, having crossover appeal, was also in part due to how NWA's vision for wrestling was significantly different from WWF's. Dusty was one of the only big names in the NWA who seemed to really see some of what Vince obviously ended up seeing for wrestling, and had Crockett not met financial ruin, they were already on their way to trying to cross over more, even if it meant playing catch up. It is definitely a big part of why Flair was pretty generous in how much he'd put Hogan over, because Hogan brought him things like the Baywatch appearance, for instance. But yeah, it was different back then. Most wrestlers didn't become pop culture stars outside of a precious few pre-Cyndi Lauper and MTV crossovers. Yeah, agreed. With him saying he thinks he’s “good”, it’s like, “Well, alright. Dude’s own opinion”. In saying that “HHH made Bryan”, I just laugh at. I will say that the Triple H/Authority story leading up to Mania 20 did put Bryan over the top into becoming an iconic superstar, from where he was before. That, I'd agree with, sure. Even if WWE dragged their heels getting there, WM 30 meant Bryan became a huge WWE star. I do think Ric is still overstating it, but at least that much I'll agree with, that WM 30 was obviously a career highlight for Bryan and did add even more legitimacy to him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 22:05:31 GMT -5
I'd be totally fine if we just stopped quoting Ric Flair all together. It's not like he ever says anything worth a shit. Imagine how his ego would hurt if people just ignored him. He only started this podcast because WWE and AEW can't touch him after the DSOTR episode and this was his way of keeping his name out there and it works because every week now you hear about his latest takes. As someone who just doesn't have enough hours in the week to keep up with Conrad's podcasts, is he the one that does it? I know that's his father in law, but Conrad doesn't seem like someone who's gonna let Pop-Pop f*** with Mortgage/Podcast empire
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 20, 2021 22:36:48 GMT -5
Imagine how his ego would hurt if people just ignored him. He only started this podcast because WWE and AEW can't touch him after the DSOTR episode and this was his way of keeping his name out there and it works because every week now you hear about his latest takes. As someone who just doesn't have enough hours in the week to keep up with Conrad's podcasts, is he the one that does it? I know that's his father in law, but Conrad doesn't seem like someone who's gonna let Pop-Pop f*** with Mortgage/Podcast empire Nope it’s not a Conrad Podcast
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2021 23:10:28 GMT -5
Yeah, agreed. With him saying he thinks he’s “good”, it’s like, “Well, alright. Dude’s own opinion”. In saying that “HHH made Bryan”, I just laugh at. I will say that the Triple H/Authority story leading up to Mania 20 did put Bryan over the top into becoming an iconic superstar, from where he was before. Honestly... Not really? It might've been that extra thing to really cement him but he was already crazy over with a ton of momentum going into SummerSlam to begin with. Really the Shield feud did more to elevate him than anything.
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Post by bob on Dec 20, 2021 23:13:15 GMT -5
hell has frozen over
Cornette ripped Flair over this
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2021 23:16:13 GMT -5
hell has frozen over Cornette ripped Flair over this I'm not surprised. Isn't Cornette a big Danielson fan?
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