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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 11, 2022 12:56:38 GMT -5
Having watched both WandaVision and Doctor Strange 2, yeah that articles some straight up clickbait. Your chase for dumping on Marvel is not successful today. And yeah, the actual thing to dump on them for is that the whole Mordo stuff from the end of Doctor Strange 1 has been seemingly abandoned. He is correct that the MCU is not as meticulously planned as some people say. But some people also claim that George Lucas had the prequels written in 1976. The do have to fly by the seat of their pants sometimes to make things work and sometimes things are off. Especially with the delays and schedule changes thanks to COVID. I think they have done a remarkable job keeping most things consistent. Do people really think the MCU is like meticulously crafted with a t-square to make sure it all fits? It's been said the main thing that Feige does is make sure that the pieces fit together... that A Character is at B point at C time, so we can have them do D and the characters story so far has been about E. So you can have an outline of a coherent story when taking multiple movies together... instead of having literally no plan and characters, motivations, powers, and everything else just get thrown out after each installment and the 'What's next?" is just a giant question mark.
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Post by chrom on May 11, 2022 13:15:55 GMT -5
Crossed the half a billion mark
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 11, 2022 13:21:55 GMT -5
He is correct that the MCU is not as meticulously planned as some people say. But some people also claim that George Lucas had the prequels written in 1976. The do have to fly by the seat of their pants sometimes to make things work and sometimes things are off. Especially with the delays and schedule changes thanks to COVID. I think they have done a remarkable job keeping most things consistent. Do people really think the MCU is like meticulously crafted with a t-square to make sure it all fits? It's been said the main thing that Feige does is make sure that the pieces fit together... that A Character is at B point at C time, so we can have them do D and the characters story so far has been about E. So you can have an outline of a coherent story when taking multiple movies together... instead of having literally no plan and characters, motivations, powers, and everything else just get thrown out after each installment and the 'What's next?" is just a giant question mark. Some people do think that Re: MCU. But like I said, some people also believe that Lucas had 6 movies written in 1976. I am a hardcore MCU guy and I know they dont get it all right. There have been retcons, awkward puzzle piece fitting, or just plain mistakes. And the hardcore and casuals I know understand the same thing. Most of the people who claim that we all are Marvel Zombies who believe Feige has everything plotted and planned to the detail are just "haters". Marvel wont put out that failure they keep waiting for to say see I told you so they attack the fans until then. Because god forbid something they dont like be ultra popular.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 11, 2022 13:26:19 GMT -5
But like I said, some people also believe that Lucas had 6 movies written in 1976. Which is funny cause Lucas clearly didn't even have 2 movies written in 1976... I mean just from how much changed from "The Star Wars" into what was put on screen... and then... like how many changes he made to both Empire and Jedi... that don't entirely work without retcons either... not even getting into the Prequels which openly contradict stuff left and right... <_<
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Post by Glitch on May 13, 2022 7:38:48 GMT -5
Language obviously. I was shocked they watched it but the Raimi-Jay connection. I laughed my ass off at {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Mike getting ptsd from seeing Stewart from Picard. When he came out all I could really think was “hes SO ollldd” from the plinkett picard review. Mike confusing white women and “no one wants to sit in the Bryan singer chair” was funny too. They brought up a good point bout Wandas turn being direct if you haven’t seen Wandavision but I watched it. I bought it. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}They mentioned the weird mouth on corpse strange reminding them of Evil dead, but for me it reminded of Raimi's other work, Dark Man. The way Strange talked just made me think of all those times Dark Man went off the edge.
Funny enough, I didn't know Raimi directed this until the end credits rolled. It explained why this film had Raimi vibes. lol
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 13, 2022 14:00:56 GMT -5
Going to jump back in here and say 2022 was the first time I saw Danny Elfman in the flesh and it was somehow nowhere near and exactly what I expected at the same time.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 14, 2022 7:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 14, 2022 8:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by chrom on May 15, 2022 7:51:39 GMT -5
Anyone else got chills hearing The X-Men theme?
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 15, 2022 10:49:37 GMT -5
Anyone else got chills hearing The X-Men theme? Haven’t even seen the movie, just watched the spoilerific YouTube video that got posted here. I either got chills, or I full blown filled the cup. That was awesome
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 16, 2022 1:05:19 GMT -5
It’s being revealed that the original opening to the movie was cut… {Spoiler}…with main MCU Mordo showing up to confront Wanda and being murked off the start.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 16, 2022 1:15:51 GMT -5
It’s being revealed that the original opening to the movie was cut… {Spoiler}…with main MCU Mordo showing up to confront Wanda and being murked off the start. A very late cut, it seems... {Spoiler}
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 16, 2022 1:30:27 GMT -5
{Spoiler} my guess is they didn't want to fully cut that thread before we see Mordo actually do anything... but I DO LIKE that Steven talked about the MCU Mordo hating him... since it helps make the world feel more lived in, and stuff happens when we aren't actively watching these people.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 16, 2022 2:18:13 GMT -5
{Spoiler}my guess is they didn't want to fully cut that thread before we see Mordo actually do anything... but I DO LIKE that Steven talked about the MCU Mordo hating him... since it helps make the world feel more lived in, and stuff happens when we aren't actively watching these people. {Spoiler}I think they realised that killing off Mordo in the opening five minutes of this movie after setting up his heel turn in the previous movie was a complete waste of a good character and great actor. Plus, to a lesser extent, it tips Wanda's heel turn from the word go... not that it takes long for the turn to happen in the final cut.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 16, 2022 7:10:31 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}my guess is they didn't want to fully cut that thread before we see Mordo actually do anything... but I DO LIKE that Steven talked about the MCU Mordo hating him... since it helps make the world feel more lived in, and stuff happens when we aren't actively watching these people. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I think they realised that killing off Mordo in the opening five minutes of this movie after setting up his heel turn in the previous movie was a complete waste of a good character and great actor. Plus, to a lesser extent, it tips Wanda's heel turn from the word go... not that it takes long for the turn to happen in the final cut. Insert Russo picture. "You just dont get it bro."
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 16, 2022 7:52:25 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}my guess is they didn't want to fully cut that thread before we see Mordo actually do anything... but I DO LIKE that Steven talked about the MCU Mordo hating him... since it helps make the world feel more lived in, and stuff happens when we aren't actively watching these people. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I think they realised that killing off Mordo in the opening five minutes of this movie after setting up his heel turn in the previous movie was a complete waste of a good character and great actor. Plus, to a lesser extent, it tips Wanda's heel turn from the word go... not that it takes long for the turn to happen in the final cut. {Spoiler}It seems it was the only reason too. No saving Mordo for a future onscreen battle or redemption arc…nothing but that they didn’t want to give away the Wanda heel turn immediately. We keep killing great heels, but sure, let’s kill off Mordo before he does a damn thing. Glad they didn’t pull that trigger.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 16, 2022 20:10:52 GMT -5
{Spoiler}It seems it was the only reason too. No saving Mordo for a future onscreen battle or redemption arc…nothing but that they didn’t want to give away the Wanda heel turn immediately. We keep killing great heels, but sure, let’s kill off Mordo before he does a damn thing. Glad they didn’t pull that trigger. {Spoiler}It would have reminded me how Norrington was utterly wasted in the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie. They spent all of the second movie giving him a slow burn heel turn, then kill him off with less than five minutes of screen time in the next movie.
Mordo is a great antagonist for Strange because he's completely right about Strange's hubris. Hopefully he gets used better going forward.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 16, 2022 22:27:55 GMT -5
More on lots of cut scenes and ideas from the movie. {Spoiler}Ghost Rider was meant to be part of the Illuminati and fight scenes with Wanda were filmed and cut.
Michael Fassbender filmed a scene with Wanda and it was cut.
Marvel really, reallllllly wanted to have Deadpool in a credits scene.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 16, 2022 22:40:32 GMT -5
More on lots of cut scenes and ideas from the movie. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Ghost Rider was meant to be part of the Illuminati and fight scenes with Wanda were filmed and cut.
Michael Fassbender filmed a scene with Wanda and it was cut.
Marvel really, reallllllly wanted to have Deadpool in a credits scene. {Spoiler}Deadpool as a post credits thing especially if he still had his time machine from the end of two might have been funny... but inconsequential especially if he's not showing up again for a long time.
Ghost Rider... I don't really think would have added anything... if anything it might have made the Illuminati fight scene start to drag.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 16, 2022 22:48:26 GMT -5
More on lots of cut scenes and ideas from the movie. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Ghost Rider was meant to be part of the Illuminati and fight scenes with Wanda were filmed and cut.
Michael Fassbender filmed a scene with Wanda and it was cut.
Marvel really, reallllllly wanted to have Deadpool in a credits scene. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Deadpool as a post credits thing especially if he still had his time machine from the end of two might have been funny... but inconsequential especially if he's not showing up again for a long time.
Ghost Rider... I don't really think would have added anything... if anything it might have made the Illuminati fight scene start to drag. {Spoiler}Also to add to that they never stated whether or not Rider wouid appear in human form or just as the Rider getting murked with the rest. No confirmation on Cage, Gabriel Luna or the rumored MCU casting of Norman Reedus that’s been thrown around.
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