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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 27, 2021 9:58:47 GMT -5
Then there's how those wacky Germans thing suplexes are done from behind. That reminds me of when a few wrestlers, including X-Pac, were getting on announcers for calling German Suplexes without the bridge "Release German Suplexes". Their point being that it just becomes another type of Belly to Back suplex because the German Suplex has to have a bridge, the whole point being Gotch did bridge for his. I believe the technical name for a German Suplex is Bridging Belly to Back Overhead Suplex, with the release just being a Belly to Back Overhead Suplex
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Post by noobeast on Dec 27, 2021 10:00:07 GMT -5
It's actually really f***ing impressive how bad this company and everyone in it are becoming.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2021 10:54:48 GMT -5
It's actually really f***ing impressive how bad this company and everyone in it are becoming. There are definitely some very talented wrestlers in WWE still, obviously, but frankly, the acceptable standards for matches are slipping. These things can be cyclical, and I'm sure that enough embarrassment like this will likely result in WWE cracking down, but it's definitely a concerning symptom of the overall health of the current direction of the company and their priorities.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 27, 2021 11:02:58 GMT -5
It's actually really f***ing impressive how bad this company and everyone in it are becoming. There are definitely some very talented wrestlers in WWE still, obviously, but frankly, the acceptable standards for matches are slipping. These things can be cyclical, and I'm sure that enough embarrassment like this will likely result in WWE cracking down, but it's definitely a concerning symptom of the overall health of the current direction of the company and their priorities. It usually takes someone metaphorically shitting the bed like this for someone to really notice how someone actually is in the ring, both company and fan alike. Just like the Lash Legend thing. Before now, yeah, Azeez hadn’t been great, but he hadn’t done anything like this (other than the example of him hitting Crews harder on a pin breakup than the opponent pinning him, but THAT didn’t get spread around like this has, so it was a bit of a “tree falling in the woods” thing), so nobody was saying anything.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 27, 2021 11:06:22 GMT -5
It's actually really f***ing impressive how bad this company and everyone in it are becoming. There are definitely some very talented wrestlers in WWE still, obviously, but frankly, the acceptable standards for matches are slipping. These things can be cyclical, and I'm sure that enough embarrassment like this will likely result in WWE cracking down, but it's definitely a concerning symptom of the overall health of the current direction of the company and their priorities. They claim to be entertainment but would a broadway show hire people with no dance training, run them through some classes, and expect them to put on a broadway performance? To not hire dancers with experience and training because "we want them to learn our way". To expect crowds to sell out your shows despite amateurish performances because your the biggest game in town so only your shows are "real" dancing.
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Post by cosmo on Dec 27, 2021 11:07:08 GMT -5
Main Event is a taped show, right? It doesn't go out live? They didn't think to edit that down at all so it was less of a mess? Its Main Event, I don't think they even care about editing that show.
At this point, we're lucky they're not just lazily throwing up just the raw footage and calling it a day.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2021 11:52:35 GMT -5
There are definitely some very talented wrestlers in WWE still, obviously, but frankly, the acceptable standards for matches are slipping. These things can be cyclical, and I'm sure that enough embarrassment like this will likely result in WWE cracking down, but it's definitely a concerning symptom of the overall health of the current direction of the company and their priorities. They claim to be entertainment but would a broadway show hire people with no dance training, run them through some classes, and expect them to put on a broadway performance? To not hire dancers with experience and training because "we want them to learn our way". To expect crowds to sell out your shows despite amateurish performances because your the biggest game in town so only your shows are "real" dancing. I suppose it isn't without precedent. When Sting and Warrior debuted as a tag team, they were pretty rough around the edges in Memphis and then Mid-South, but the difference there is that they were territories with a lot fewer resources. That, plus, I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but Sting and Warrior actually looked like potential stars. Azeez, Omos, and Shanky are tall, Omos especially, but they otherwise don't look even remotely intimidating. I'm not sure who I'd call the "best" of the three, but Azeez is quite possibly the worst. Maybe they'll begin putting some of the pieces together, or get a bit more presence, at least, and they'll turn things around, but I'm not optimistic about it.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 27, 2021 11:58:30 GMT -5
They claim to be entertainment but would a broadway show hire people with no dance training, run them through some classes, and expect them to put on a broadway performance? To not hire dancers with experience and training because "we want them to learn our way". To expect crowds to sell out your shows despite amateurish performances because your the biggest game in town so only your shows are "real" dancing. I suppose it isn't without precedent. When Sting and Warrior debuted as a tag team, they were pretty rough around the edges in Memphis and then Mid-South, but the difference there is that they were territories with a lot fewer resources. That, plus, I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but Sting and Warrior actually looked like potential stars. Azeez, Omos, and Shanky are tall, Omos especially, but they otherwise don't look even remotely intimidating. I'm not sure who I'd call the "best" of the three, but Azeez is quite possibly the worst. Maybe they'll begin putting some of the pieces together, or get a bit more presence, at least, and they'll turn things around, but I'm not optimistic about it. Omos looks like he would rather be anywhere else at all times
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Dec 27, 2021 12:56:16 GMT -5
This is bad. This is Cameron bad! Hell, it maybe worse. At least Cameron’s bad pin was funny to watch. This is just sad.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 27, 2021 13:35:46 GMT -5
This is bad. This is Cameron bad! Hell, it maybe worse. At least Cameron’s bad pin was funny to watch. This is just sad. there's also a chance that Cameron's pin was on purpose, for Total Divas drama or something... (as I believe it was mentioned there.)
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 27, 2021 13:53:40 GMT -5
They claim to be entertainment but would a broadway show hire people with no dance training, run them through some classes, and expect them to put on a broadway performance? To not hire dancers with experience and training because "we want them to learn our way". To expect crowds to sell out your shows despite amateurish performances because your the biggest game in town so only your shows are "real" dancing. I suppose it isn't without precedent. When Sting and Warrior debuted as a tag team, they were pretty rough around the edges in Memphis and then Mid-South, but the difference there is that they were territories with a lot fewer resources. That, plus, I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but Sting and Warrior actually looked like potential stars. Azeez, Omos, and Shanky are tall, Omos especially, but they otherwise don't look even remotely intimidating. I'm not sure who I'd call the "best" of the three, but Azeez is quite possibly the worst. Maybe they'll begin putting some of the pieces together, or get a bit more presence, at least, and they'll turn things around, but I'm not optimistic about it. Difference being scale. WWE is a huge company that is supposed to be the best of the best. Mid South and Memphis were tiny in comparison. To use my example if a regional theatre company hired people off the street and trained them from scratch to dance because they had no money no one would bat an eye. If broadway did it when there are a wealth of trained and experienced dancers it would be insanity. And all because those dancers dont fit an image that only they seem to care about anymore. Total insanity.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Dec 27, 2021 14:01:40 GMT -5
Not trying to be negative here, but Azeez is probably my least favorite talent on the Main Roster.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Dec 27, 2021 14:33:26 GMT -5
This makes me think of watching wrestling growing up and how so much of it was built up around basic safe to take moves. And how wrestling with your friends was so fun with selling basic moves. No matter how goofy we were being, we never botched pins. Roll-ups, sunset flips, small packages, even crucifix pins. That's why it's so hypnotizing to watch wrestlers botch pins. It's like, "How can you do that?".
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 27, 2021 16:16:06 GMT -5
I suppose it isn't without precedent. When Sting and Warrior debuted as a tag team, they were pretty rough around the edges in Memphis and then Mid-South, but the difference there is that they were territories with a lot fewer resources. That, plus, I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but Sting and Warrior actually looked like potential stars. Azeez, Omos, and Shanky are tall, Omos especially, but they otherwise don't look even remotely intimidating. I'm not sure who I'd call the "best" of the three, but Azeez is quite possibly the worst. Maybe they'll begin putting some of the pieces together, or get a bit more presence, at least, and they'll turn things around, but I'm not optimistic about it. Difference being scale. WWE is a huge company that is supposed to be the best of the best. Mid South and Memphis were tiny in comparison. To use my example if a regional theatre company hired people off the street and trained them from scratch to dance because they had no money no one would bat an eye. If broadway did it when there are a wealth of trained and experienced dancers it would be insanity. And all because those dancers dont fit an image that only they seem to care about anymore. Total insanity. And if they do get an experienced, trained dancer, they try to teach them to sotp doing all that dance shit they know how to do because no we do dancing differently here, this is real dancing. Hiring actual dance teachers but then having them only ever make people do forward rolls instead of teaching anyone how to dance properly. But then spending ungodly amounts of money on a training facility that looks bad when the guy you have playing Mr. Mistoffelees crumples onto his ankle during his conjuring turns and getting internal bleeding, at which point people find out that he's been learning how to play that role for six years and he's still awful at it. Also the Rum Tum Tugger is mute for some reason because they didn't have time to write him lines before the show started. The entire pipeline is built on complete nonsense.
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Post by Demented on Dec 27, 2021 16:25:51 GMT -5
This "pin" attempt is the equivalent of waking around the store with your butt crack out, realizing your crack is out, pulling your pants up, but it being too late as the security camera caught you all cheeked up bending over to get the can of olives on the bottom shelf.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 27, 2021 18:06:06 GMT -5
They claim to be entertainment but would a broadway show hire people with no dance training, run them through some classes, and expect them to put on a broadway performance? To not hire dancers with experience and training because "we want them to learn our way". To expect crowds to sell out your shows despite amateurish performances because your the biggest game in town so only your shows are "real" dancing. I suppose it isn't without precedent. When Sting and Warrior debuted as a tag team, they were pretty rough around the edges in Memphis and then Mid-South, but the difference there is that they were territories with a lot fewer resources. That, plus, I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but Sting and Warrior actually looked like potential stars. Azeez, Omos, and Shanky are tall, Omos especially, but they otherwise don't look even remotely intimidating. I'm not sure who I'd call the "best" of the three, but Azeez is quite possibly the worst. Maybe they'll begin putting some of the pieces together, or get a bit more presence, at least, and they'll turn things around, but I'm not optimistic about it. Vince has been chasing “the next Andre” literally his entire career but somehow got fixated on “Just find really big guys”. Andre not only looked like a giant straight out of a storybook but he carried himself like one as well. There was a hugely different aura between someone wrestling Andre and, say, One Man Gang. Whether Vince never picked up on this or just never cared (more likely), it’s one of the reasons for the parade of massive lugs he’s thrown out there over the years.
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Post by The Creepo Man on Dec 27, 2021 19:34:14 GMT -5
Difference being scale. WWE is a huge company that is supposed to be the best of the best. Mid South and Memphis were tiny in comparison. To use my example if a regional theatre company hired people off the street and trained them from scratch to dance because they had no money no one would bat an eye. If broadway did it when there are a wealth of trained and experienced dancers it would be insanity. And all because those dancers dont fit an image that only they seem to care about anymore. Total insanity. And if they do get an experienced, trained dancer, they try to teach them to sotp doing all that dance shit they know how to do because no we do dancing differently here, this is real dancing. Hiring actual dance teachers but then having them only ever make people do forward rolls instead of teaching anyone how to dance properly. But then spending ungodly amounts of money on a training facility that looks bad when the guy you have playing Mr. Mistoffelees crumples onto his ankle during his conjuring turns and getting internal bleeding, at which point people find out that he's been learning how to play that role for six years and he's still awful at it. Also the Rum Tum Tugger is mute for some reason because they didn't have time to write him lines before the show started. The entire pipeline is built on complete nonsense. A repeat of the WCW Power Plant?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 27, 2021 20:35:49 GMT -5
I do think it'd both produce better results and be substantially cheaper if the Performance Center were entirely for refinement, working through injuries, and just otherwise exercising and instead of having a completely in-house system WWE just had a series of wrestling schools they partnered with to build people up and shop people around between. It'd make the whole process way less assembly-line since there's room to learn different things from different people and to receive more in the way of direct instruction, and even if you want some more direct control over the process could always just identify what you want a given talent to try to focus on and send them to a camp that specializes in that direction.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Dec 27, 2021 20:58:51 GMT -5
I've watched it back many times and I can't get past "what in the actual shit was he trying to do?"
Poor Apollo being in the clip too.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 27, 2021 21:39:02 GMT -5
I do think it'd both produce better results and be substantially cheaper if the Performance Center were entirely for refinement, working through injuries, and just otherwise exercising and instead of having a completely in-house system WWE just had a series of wrestling schools they partnered with to build people up and shop people around between. It'd make the whole process way less assembly-line since there's room to learn different things from different people and to receive more in the way of direct instruction, and even if you want some more direct control over the process could always just identify what you want a given talent to try to focus on and send them to a camp that specializes in that direction. With all of their cost cutting I am shocked Nick Khan has not asked "Why are we spending ungodly amounts of money to train and develop these people when they can go to a wrestling school that they pay for. Then they can get experience on the indies at no cost to us. Then all we have to pay for is to teach them our way of doing things."
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