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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 28, 2022 7:52:36 GMT -5
I honestly think the comments about the womens division as a whole are incredibly overblown here and are just constantly focusing on the hard negatives. Nothing was really wrong with Leyla/Velvet, crowd was just in a lull period, and "AEW doesn't care about anyone but Britt or Jade" is just ridiculously projecting at this point. But it will keep happening until the title is off Britt I guess. The segment was weird for the fact no one interrupted it. Not sure if someone got scrapped from the show or they did this to set something up later, but in isolation I agree that it wasn't really anything Baker needed to do, let alone do it without confrontation. I do think Rosa vs Martinez needs to get moving or Soho needs to beat Nyla next week to get a ball moving. The division getting only one match per show has really limited its growth. They have a lot of talented women, and even several storylines going on, but everything moves at a glacial pace because of the one match per show rule the booking seems to live by.
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Post by clifford on Jan 28, 2022 8:20:48 GMT -5
I honestly think the comments about the womens division as a whole are incredibly overblown here and are just constantly focusing on the hard negatives. Nothing was really wrong with Leyla/Velvet, crowd was just in a lull period, and "AEW doesn't care about anyone but Britt or Jade" is just ridiculously projecting at this point. But it will keep happening until the title is off Britt I guess. The segment was weird for the fact no one interrupted it. Not sure if someone got scrapped from the show or they did this to set something up later, but in isolation I agree that it wasn't really anything Baker needed to do, let alone do it without confrontation. I do think Rosa vs Martinez needs to get moving or Soho needs to beat Nyla next week to get a ball moving. The division getting only one match per show has really limited its growth. They have a lot of talented women, and even several storylines going on, but everything moves at a glacial pace because of the one match per show rule the booking seems to live by. Absolutely. This week's Dynamite was a bit hard to find time cause you had pretty long opening and closing matches, but some weeks its down right insulting that the women are limited to one match. A few weeks ago you had an absolute nothing contest between Bear Country and the Acclaimed. Another week you had Archer/Kaz going about 10 minutes longer than it needed (yeah they went long cause another match ended prematurely but come on, they couldn't keep that match short and put out another womans match instead?). Almost every week you got male matches bumping extra female matches off the card. I'm sick of it. The women have proven, time after time after time, that they deserve more spotlight. They kill it when given the chance. If you're a ratings/demo guy, they do very well in those too. I'm not going to sit and blame all this on Britt, or anyone else in the division. But this shit has GOT to stop. I aint asking for 3 womens matches on Dynamite a week. But is it really absurd to ask for more than one womans match, even one week a month?!
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 28, 2022 8:53:59 GMT -5
The division getting only one match per show has really limited its growth. They have a lot of talented women, and even several storylines going on, but everything moves at a glacial pace because of the one match per show rule the booking seems to live by. Absolutely. This week's Dynamite was a bit hard to find time cause you had pretty long opening and closing matches, but some weeks its down right insulting that the women are limited to one match. A few weeks ago you had an absolute nothing contest between Bear Country and the Acclaimed. Another week you had Archer/Kaz going about 10 minutes longer than it needed (yeah they went long cause another match ended prematurely but come on, they couldn't keep that match short and put out another womans match instead?). Almost every week you got male matches bumping extra female matches off the card. I'm sick of it. The women have proven, time after time after time, that they deserve more spotlight. They kill it when given the chance. If you're a ratings/demo guy, they do very well in those too. I'm not going to sit and blame all this on Britt, or anyone else in the division. But this shit has GOT to stop. I aint asking for 3 womens matches on Dynamite a week. But is it really absurd to ask for more than one womans match, even one week a month?! I think it would help if more of the talking segments were kept shorter, and not having so many segments crammed onto Dynamite close together.
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Post by clifford on Jan 28, 2022 9:20:19 GMT -5
Absolutely. This week's Dynamite was a bit hard to find time cause you had pretty long opening and closing matches, but some weeks its down right insulting that the women are limited to one match. A few weeks ago you had an absolute nothing contest between Bear Country and the Acclaimed. Another week you had Archer/Kaz going about 10 minutes longer than it needed (yeah they went long cause another match ended prematurely but come on, they couldn't keep that match short and put out another womans match instead?). Almost every week you got male matches bumping extra female matches off the card. I'm sick of it. The women have proven, time after time after time, that they deserve more spotlight. They kill it when given the chance. If you're a ratings/demo guy, they do very well in those too. I'm not going to sit and blame all this on Britt, or anyone else in the division. But this shit has GOT to stop. I aint asking for 3 womens matches on Dynamite a week. But is it really absurd to ask for more than one womans match, even one week a month?! I think it would help if more of the talking segments were kept shorter, and not having so many segments crammed onto Dynamite close together. Pacing on Dynamite has been a problem since the roster increase. I always feel a lot of segments don't have a chance to breathe with the audiences; its all bam bam bam bam bam. Womens division I feel suffers the most from it all. They get squeezed out. It must be the drawback of two hours, cause even when its live Rampage just flows so well as a wrestling programme. Lets just take this week as an example. If all Britt was going to do this week was...that...well, you could've gotten that across in a 30-60 second pre-tape. Or 3-4 minute sit down interview type. Either way you're freeing up a good chunk of time. Now, you move Leyla/Velvet to Rampage where it can breathe a bit better, and put Jade vs. Julia on Dynamite. You still have enough time to do another womans match- Rosa/Mercedes or Ruby/Nyla for instance. Then the winner of that big match on Dynamite shows up next week to challenge Britt for Revolution. I don't want the only times the women get more than their token match be Britt cutting a 10 minute waste of time promo. And I don't want the Womens title match for the next PPV to get only 2-3 weeks of build up on tv. This shit aint hard. EDIT: Sorry, I've vented a lot about this topic in this thread. I just want the same effort that goes into the male roster be put in to the female roster. That's all.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 28, 2022 10:14:30 GMT -5
Leyla vs. Velvet was hurt by them only getting limited TV time. Velvet especially has not been on Dynamite much in months and she rarely wins when she is on. So the fans had no real reason to be invested in this match. I suspect Statlander vs. Hirsch might be something people are more into.
Are they going to do something with Rosa vs. Martinez? Like Martinez debuted a month ago and all we’ve gotten are a couple of video package. It feels like they’re stretching that out longer than needed as well.
Rosa is probably THE biggest example in the division of “she should be featured FAR more prominently far more often than she is” in general.
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Post by markymark on Jan 28, 2022 10:42:05 GMT -5
Leyla vs. Velvet was hurt by them only getting limited TV time. Velvet especially has not been on Dynamite much in months and she rarely wins when she is on. So the fans had no real reason to be invested in this match. I suspect Statlander vs. Hirsch might be something people are more into.Are they going to do something with Rosa vs. Martinez? Like Martinez debuted a month ago and all we’ve gotten are a couple of video package. It feels like they’re stretching that out longer than needed as well. Rosa is probably THE biggest example in the division of “she should be featured FAR more prominently far more often than she is” in general.
It was bad when JR mocked it by breaking the 4th wall and bringing up the whole "imaginary wall".
Swole comments about lack of creative in the division seem to be on point, thats why we get stuff like the recent Britt promo that seemed more about killing time, or Rosa vs Mercedes being stretched unless Mercedes is dealing with health issues
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 28, 2022 10:51:11 GMT -5
Is Jamie Hayter sick as well? We have not seen her or Rebel in weeks either?
They say that no character in AEW is on TV every week. And that is true, but there ARE characters who are on TV MOST weeks.
Rosa should be one of those latter ones and they just, don’t, with her yet.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 28, 2022 11:44:34 GMT -5
Is Jamie Hayter sick as well? We have not seen her or Rebel in weeks either? They say that no character in AEW is on TV every week. And that is true, but there ARE characters who are on TV MOST weeks. Rosa should be one of those latter ones and they just, don’t, with her yet. Thunder Rosa gets massive pops every time her music hits. You don’t hope you can get time for someone that over, you FIND time for them.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 28, 2022 11:52:18 GMT -5
Is Jamie Hayter sick as well? We have not seen her or Rebel in weeks either? They say that no character in AEW is on TV every week. And that is true, but there ARE characters who are on TV MOST weeks. Rosa should be one of those latter ones and they just, don’t, with her yet. Thunder Rosa gets massive pops every time her music hits. You don’t hope you can get time for someone that over, you FIND time for them. Yeah it feels like they haven’t capitalized fully on her popularity. I guess the assumption is they can “heat” her up at any time for a Britt match, but it still feels like a bit of a slog to get there.
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Post by robferatu on Jan 28, 2022 12:24:43 GMT -5
It’s been said time and time again, for all of AEW’s strengths win it comes to booking, they’ve really done their women’s division a great disservice.
Baker has seemingly been in limbo since her feud with Conti, which felt like a filler feud to begin with and during which they were reminded the match fans really want to see is Rosa vs. Baker.
I understand the idea of giving Britt a lengthy reign as champion, but more and more it’s feeling like a lengthy insignificant reign and the longer they hold off on Thunder Rosa vs. Britt Baker, DMD the more deminishing the results may be.
We’re approximately five weeks away from “Revolution” and there’s still no indication as to whom may be challenging Baker (which they should of, could of established at her self-congratulatory ceremony this past “Dynamite”) and for all intensive purposes Rosa and Martinez are in a “feud”
I know I’ll receive a lot of flack for this, but despite AEW having better match quality, WWE and their run of the mill, over-saturated booking of Charlotte Flair and Becky Lynch is more forward moving than AEW’s spinning plates presentation of their women’s division.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 28, 2022 12:32:13 GMT -5
I think the booking of Britt and Charlotte actually have a lot of parallels honestly.
Also when you have two super long title reigns back to back, it makes having a long reign feel, not as impressive.
IDK if AEW quite completely realizes that sometimes?
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Post by chrom on Jan 28, 2022 12:35:14 GMT -5
Is Jamie Hayter sick as well? We have not seen her or Rebel in weeks either? They say that no character in AEW is on TV every week. And that is true, but there ARE characters who are on TV MOST weeks. Rosa should be one of those latter ones and they just, don’t, with her yet. Thunder Rosa gets massive pops every time her music hits. You don’t hope you can get time for someone that over, you FIND time for them. No reason her, Soho or Serena should not be champion right now
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 28, 2022 13:39:06 GMT -5
The Charlotte parallels are accurate but, perhaps controversially, I think Britt isn't even half the wrestler Charlotte is.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jan 28, 2022 14:13:11 GMT -5
The Charlotte parallels are accurate but, perhaps controversially, I think Britt isn't even half the wrestler Charlotte is. I don't think it's controversial at all.Britt is solid and very "carryable" in the ring. She's not an amazing wrestler. I don't think she's even in the top ten of AEW women's in-ring talents.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 28, 2022 14:23:50 GMT -5
The Charlotte parallels are accurate but, perhaps controversially, I think Britt isn't even half the wrestler Charlotte is. Eeeeeeeh... Charlotte's in ring ability since she came back from her injury last year has been... really bad. She can put on great matches like with Bianca, but with her it's all varied on opponent, she lays an egg with a lot of performers
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 28, 2022 14:40:06 GMT -5
The Charlotte parallels are accurate but, perhaps controversially, I think Britt isn't even half the wrestler Charlotte is. But she is more charismatic than Charlotte.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 28, 2022 14:44:56 GMT -5
Not that Britt Baker is a ring general or anything (though she is significantly better now than she was in 2019; like she was bad in AEW Year 1), but IMO Charlotte's in-ring ability has always been overstated and gotten significantly worse the past couple of years. I don't know if she never really got back what she had since her major injury or she's just half-assing it because of supposed unhappiness, but she isn't that good anymore.
Charlotte's also always been a lousy speaker (though it's not like she has great material to work with), when Britt since turning heel has more often than not been great at the character stuff. This week was one of the few times where it didn't really work that well and not having a future opponent interrupt her self-love fest promo didn't do the segment any favors either. It was just boring.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 28, 2022 15:22:48 GMT -5
Not that Britt Baker is a ring general or anything (though she is significantly better now than she was in 2019; like she was bad in AEW Year 1), but IMO Charlotte's in-ring ability has always been overstated and gotten significantly worse the past couple of years. I don't know if she never really got back what she had since her major injury or she's just half-assing it because of supposed unhappiness, but she isn't that good anymore.
Charlotte's also always been a lousy speaker (though it's not like she has great material to work with), when Britt since turning heel has more often than not been great at the character stuff. This week was one of the few times where it didn't really work that well and not having a future opponent interrupt her self-love fest promo didn't do the segment any favors either. It was just boring.
This, some people may argue Britt's character is gettinga bit stale or has run the course of its current trajectory, but she's still very over when she speaks, she gets a ton of heat, she gets the DMD chant, she for the most part, always sells herself very well, she does what a pompous heel is supposed to do and always has the crowd doing whatever she wants them to do, and that's just a fact. In ring, of course Britt's not the best worker in the division, but she's definitely the most improved from where she began, and she has carried herself against multiple styles, and people remember most of her matches due to it. Charlotte as I said, she had a good match with Bianca a bit ago, but outside of that, I remember way more matches where it feels like she half assed a lot of shit or looked like she simply did not care. Her spots are extremely sloppy, she may have the worst moonsault I've ever seen, it never hits right, and Natural Selection makes The Overdrive look like a Tombstone Piledriver, but above all else it's how she works with other people, she can't carry ANYONE. She never had a good match with Lacey Evans and they fought for months, her match with Shotzi was bad (Blame Shotzi all you want, there's two people in a match), her matches with Bliss were bad, her Sasha matches are stale and overdone, and do I really have to bring up any match with Nia Jax she had? There's no argument that Charlotte's HAD good matches in her career, some classics even, but people who build her up as some ring general or workhorse, especially like... last two years Charlotte? Yeah no, she's regressed horribly, and she's STILL champion. Say what you want about Britt, she's committed to what she's doing, she's committed to improving any way she seemingly can, and running with what's given to her... Charlotte's felt really disconnected and checked out for awhile now. Bringing it back to Baker as a whole though, yes she needs to lose the title soon, and yes more matches for the girls would help midigate this issue. For example no one in their right mind would complain if say Rosa vs Martinez was put on the same Dynamite as Nyla/Ruby seems to be scheduled for, you scheduled Punk/MJF, you already guaranteed your viewership lol.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 28, 2022 16:03:37 GMT -5
Yeah this is one area where AEW only wanting one women’s match per show hurts it. Not every feud needs to drag out endlessly, but a lot of these feuds do drag due to iffy pacing.
Unless they’re unavailable, there’s no reason they cannot do Rosa vs. Martinez in the next couple of weeks Max, none.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 28, 2022 16:36:53 GMT -5
Are we talking about Flair and Britt Baker, or are we talking about Jenna Morasca matches? Are we talking about Jackie Gayda here? Charlotte and Britt on their worst nights are light years ahead of some of the stuff I’ve seen. You all do not know “sloppy”.
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