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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 28, 2022 16:43:38 GMT -5
Are we talking about Flair and Britt Baker, or are we talking about Jenna Morasca matches? Are we talking about Jackie Gayda here? Charlotte and Britt on their worst nights are light years ahead of some of the stuff I’ve seen. You all do not know “sloppy”. Of course no one is talking about Jenna or Jackie in comparison, but that doesn't mean a worker can't be sloppy or awkward in their own regard, and Charlotte to me, has in fact felt like she's been a step off in most of her matches over the last like two years. No that doesn't mean she's Gayada, but it certainly means shes regressed as a performer, and yes, her moonsault is sloppy as hell, I wish she'd stop doing it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 28, 2022 16:52:48 GMT -5
Are we talking about Flair and Britt Baker, or are we talking about Jenna Morasca matches? Are we talking about Jackie Gayda here? Charlotte and Britt on their worst nights are light years ahead of some of the stuff I’ve seen. You all do not know “sloppy”. Of course no one is talking about Jenna or Jackie in comparison, but that doesn't mean a worker can't be sloppy or awkward in their own regard, and Charlotte to me, has in fact felt like she's been a step off in most of her matches over the last like two years. No that doesn't mean she's Gayada, but it certainly means shes regressed as a performer, and yes, her moonsault is sloppy as hell, I wish she'd stop doing it. You can’t tell the Queen what to do, she’ll defend her crown however she wants.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 28, 2022 16:54:19 GMT -5
Of course no one is talking about Jenna or Jackie in comparison, but that doesn't mean a worker can't be sloppy or awkward in their own regard, and Charlotte to me, has in fact felt like she's been a step off in most of her matches over the last like two years. No that doesn't mean she's Gayada, but it certainly means shes regressed as a performer, and yes, her moonsault is sloppy as hell, I wish she'd stop doing it. You can’t tell the Queen what to do, she’ll defend her crown however she wants. If "However she wants" is shit matches where it looks like she's checked out, then sure! But this is a Baker thread and not a WWE one so we should probably stop lol
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Post by holyshida on Jan 28, 2022 17:16:53 GMT -5
Charlotte is a better Wrestler than Britt, but Britt excels in other areas like on the mic and charisma, and honestly Charlotte is good but she's way overrated as far as her all time status goes. She's good but not as good as Serena, Rosa or Shida and honestly I'd rank her 3rd or 4th out of the 4hw, behind Bayley and Sasha and you can also make a case for Becky too. Bar a couple of great matches with Becky and Bianca she's been very unimpressive in the last couple of years
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Post by holyshida on Jan 28, 2022 17:18:14 GMT -5
Tay has visa issues??? That's the first I've heard about that. I haven't seen it reported either, I feel that's the sort of thing that would be big news and unavoidable It was mentioned on Sammy's Vlog when they were visiting her family, so that's the only source for now. Thanks. Well hope she's back soon. These things can sometimes drag on for months in worse case scenarios
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Post by Cyno on Jan 28, 2022 17:26:33 GMT -5
Are we talking about Flair and Britt Baker, or are we talking about Jenna Morasca matches? Are we talking about Jackie Gayda here? Charlotte and Britt on their worst nights are light years ahead of some of the stuff I’ve seen. You all do not know “sloppy”. Just because nuance doesn't exist in a lot of online discussions doesn't mean it doesn't exist here. Jumping immediately to Jackie Gayda or Jenna Morasca is reductio ad absurdum. I don't think anyone here has called Charlotte or Britt the worst wrestler ever or even come close to it.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 28, 2022 18:44:08 GMT -5
Honestly I'm starting to think Britt gets all the mic time because she's the best at it right now. As much as I enjoy Serena Deeb and Ruby Soho in the ring, their promo skills are kinda...yeesh.
Don't know why Nyla doesn't get more though, she's a pretty good promo and doesn't need Vickie.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 28, 2022 18:48:07 GMT -5
I think AEW is kinda reaping what it's sown with the women's division as of late. Over the last few weeks/months, the division has improved a lot. There are lots of stories happening (not necessarily good ones, but they're there) and many of the greener women have greatly improved. But after two years of the division being mishandled, it's just swimming against the tide.
It's going to take time to fully turn things around and get to the point where the crowd can invest in a Hirsch vs. Velvet match and one of the major steps to that is just giving the women more time. On a six-match Dynamite card, two of those should be women's matches. They don't have to be 10-15 minute long matches, but they should be of a decent length. There's nothing wrong with a couple of 5-8 minute long sprints, as long as they don't have half of the time taken up by ad breaks/PIP.
Britt is far from the best wrestler in the women's division, but she's absolutely the biggest star there. And not just because AEW has positioned her there either, she carries herself like she's a star and has that aura around her. AEW needs to give the other women the opportunity to find that aura in themselves, too.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 28, 2022 19:08:00 GMT -5
Honestly I'm starting to think Britt gets all the mic time because she's the best at it right now. As much as I enjoy Serena Deeb and Ruby Soho in the ring, their promo skills are kinda...yeesh. Don't know why Nyla doesn't get more though, she's a pretty good promo and doesn't need Vickie. Deeb is a great technical workhorse and Soho has a lot of physical charisma to her (in a different way from Jade Cargill, but it's still there). But yeah, Britt outclasses both in promos from what I've seen.
I'd love to see Nyla turn face and dump Vickie.
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Post by Blade on Jan 28, 2022 23:17:02 GMT -5
Are we talking about Flair and Britt Baker, or are we talking about Jenna Morasca matches? Are we talking about Jackie Gayda here? Charlotte and Britt on their worst nights are light years ahead of some of the stuff I’ve seen. You all do not know “sloppy”. In the interests of fairness, I know Gayda's synonymous with bad wrestling because WWE threw her out there when she was in no way ready, but by later in her tenure she actually did have some decent matches. There was a three way (with Molly and I think Victoria) for a shot at the women's title I remember fondly (followed by some truly amazing heeling by champion Trish).
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 28, 2022 23:23:03 GMT -5
Are we talking about Flair and Britt Baker, or are we talking about Jenna Morasca matches? Are we talking about Jackie Gayda here? Charlotte and Britt on their worst nights are light years ahead of some of the stuff I’ve seen. You all do not know “sloppy”. In the interests of fairness, I know Gayda's synonymous with bad wrestling because WWE threw her out there when she was in no way ready, but by later in her tenure she actually did have some decent matches. There was a three way (with Molly and I think Victoria) for a shot at the women's title I remember fondly (followed by some truly amazing heeling by champion Trish). Sorry to burst your bubble, mate, but by the time Stratus was a heel champion, Jackie would've been on SmackDown having followed Rico over there in the draft. The match that seems to fit your description may be Nidia v Molly v Victoria, which is directly followed by Stratus cheapshotting Nidia and invoking the title match that Nidia had just won and pinning her straight away.
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Post by Blade on Jan 28, 2022 23:31:11 GMT -5
In the interests of fairness, I know Gayda's synonymous with bad wrestling because WWE threw her out there when she was in no way ready, but by later in her tenure she actually did have some decent matches. There was a three way (with Molly and I think Victoria) for a shot at the women's title I remember fondly (followed by some truly amazing heeling by champion Trish). Sorry to burst your bubble, mate, but by the time Stratus was a heel champion, Jackie would've been on SmackDown having followed Rico over there in the draft. The match that seems to fit your description may be Nidia v Molly v Victoria, which is directly followed by Stratus cheapshotting Nidia and invoking the title match that Nidia had just won and pinning her straight away. Whoops, you're right, I confused Jackie and Nidia (who also got ragged on a lot). Thinking more carefully about it, admittedly my main recollection with Jackie was some intergender tags with Rico which weren't too bad, but were also super short. Still, there was no botching entering the ring!
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2022 1:15:58 GMT -5
Honestly I'm starting to think Britt gets all the mic time because she's the best at it right now. As much as I enjoy Serena Deeb and Ruby Soho in the ring, their promo skills are kinda...yeesh. Don't know why Nyla doesn't get more though, she's a pretty good promo and doesn't need Vickie. I actually think Ruby is more than a match for Britt on the mic. And I think Rosa surpasses them both.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 29, 2022 1:22:24 GMT -5
Honestly I'm starting to think Britt gets all the mic time because she's the best at it right now. As much as I enjoy Serena Deeb and Ruby Soho in the ring, their promo skills are kinda...yeesh. Don't know why Nyla doesn't get more though, she's a pretty good promo and doesn't need Vickie. I actually think Ruby is more than a match for Britt on the mic. And I think Rosa surpasses them both. I'm willing to meet in the middle and say all three have shown fine promo chops since coming into AEW and also finding their stride I'd say when it comes to promo skills in the women's division there is definitely room for improvement there, I'd say Mercedes Martinez was a great signing to get for both skill and promo ability, she can hold her own on the mic
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 29, 2022 2:53:29 GMT -5
Even if none of the other women can talk... Give them managers. Hell, they did it for Jade. For that matter they gave one to Nyla and she doesn't even need it.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 29, 2022 3:47:06 GMT -5
So, who would you rather take to the zoo and then take home and have them bake you a tray of delicious, warm chocolate chip cookies before you both binge watch a season of "Mao Mao: Legends of Pure Heart" and make a big tent in your living room out of blankets and fall asleep next to in separate sleeping bags? Charlotte or Britt Baker?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 29, 2022 7:56:35 GMT -5
So, who would you rather take to the zoo and then take home and have them bake you a tray of delicious, warm chocolate chip cookies before you both binge watch a season of "Mao Mao: Legends of Pure Heart" and make a big tent in your living room out of blankets and fall asleep next to in separate sleeping bags? Charlotte or Britt Baker? Mao Mao was so screwed by Cartoon Network. That and Sym-Bionic Titan, I’m still pissed about.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 29, 2022 9:07:51 GMT -5
Honestly I'm starting to think Britt gets all the mic time because she's the best at it right now. As much as I enjoy Serena Deeb and Ruby Soho in the ring, their promo skills are kinda...yeesh. Don't know why Nyla doesn't get more though, she's a pretty good promo and doesn't need Vickie. But Britt got the time and practice to get better at it, there's no reason the others can't get better if they're showcased as much as Britt was/is
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Post by clifford on Jan 29, 2022 9:11:16 GMT -5
Ruby and Rosa both have big matches next week on tv. I wonder, if both win, maybe we could see a triple threat for Revolution? Britt losing her title without being pinned or submitted seems like a plausible thing.
You could then do Britt/Rosa 2 for the title, with the result not being a massive foregone conclusion as it would be with Rosa facing champion Britt, imo.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 29, 2022 11:47:33 GMT -5
Or Britt could just put Rosa over clean. That’s what SHOULD happen.
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