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Post by petef3 on Jan 9, 2022 1:18:03 GMT -5
I just see that as completely unnecessary because you're not actually addressing the core problem of interference. You're only adding a pedantic layer to it. AEW's rules let whoever be out there (and, as far as I know, every wrestling promotion I've watched since I started watching wrestling has never split hairs in such a way, or if they did, it was conveniently forgotten unless they remembered it existed for the purposes of story), but it's also up to the refs to be wise to it as well as babyfaces to know the rules apply the same for them and actually even things up. Many, many promotions had prohibitions on who could be at ringside. Sometimes even shoot prohibitions based on if they were running in a state with an athletic commission. It's not "pedantic" at all. Plus it actually puts heat on Baker if she acts like she's actually doing this to "protect" her opponent's safety. All dentists have a hygienist to do dirty work for them--the more I think about this the more I like it. But it's too late to go back now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 1:40:08 GMT -5
I don't think it's sour grapes in your fandom to state when you don't like something, so with that being said.. the women's booking has been ass since basically forever.
The talent is there, but the care isn't. Sure, you've got your one-offs here and there where things work, but for the most part the Women's Division is the huge glaring weakness in AEW's booking.
As for the comparisons to Kenny's reign... I mean, that went on for too long, too, but I at least understood why. That, and Kenny Omega played the role of a deluded moron with some man-child tendencies. He had no problem looking like a dork.
Britt is basically just the mean girl cool heel who's really only had her ass handed to her once, and instead they made her bloody face in loss the moment of the match instead of Rosa drilling her through a table. That kinda thing worked for Austin, but her character isn't like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 1:43:28 GMT -5
Britt is teetering into Roman territory, for me. There, I said it. She doesn't sell fear of her opponents well, she doesn't have the ring generalship to put her opponent over while still winning, and even when she gets her ass handed to her (lights out with Thunder Rosa) she doesn't show fear of the woman that bloodied her and put her through a table as a heel should. Sorry, but I'm over Britt. The moment she reached that absolute point for me was on the Road To vs Tay where she straight up no sold everything about Tay's promo and chances and then she went and completely downplayed the TBS title and everyone competing for it That's the kind of thing that drives me nuts about how "cool heels" are done these days, and I'm kind of over it. If your villain really is just better than everyone else and has no hint of conceit, cowardice, or chance of being hoist by their own petard, then they're not really heels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 4:11:30 GMT -5
I think it'd probably help if they'd just pick a lane with her finishes? Every match she has, tonight included, always has her cheat like crazy and basically just be Dental Mahal as much as possible, but also the cheating all fails and then she just wins on her own super decisively anyway. Either make her a cheating coward or make her a badass final boss, you can't do both. And that is my problem with MJF.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 9, 2022 4:17:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind it so much if she showed any kind of fear of her opponents or put them over in any way. Scraping a win doesn't count when you then talk about how nobody else is in your league.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 9, 2022 7:13:59 GMT -5
The moment she reached that absolute point for me was on the Road To vs Tay where she straight up no sold everything about Tay's promo and chances and then she went and completely downplayed the TBS title and everyone competing for it That's the kind of thing that drives me nuts about how "cool heels" are done these days, and I'm kind of over it. If your villain really is just better than everyone else and has no hint of conceit, cowardice, or chance of being hoist by their own petard, then they're not really heels. Even Brock, the most legit ass kicker in wrestling, sells his ass off. And Heyman puts over his opponent. More heels should be like Brock and Heyman in that regard.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 9, 2022 7:26:46 GMT -5
I don't think it's sour grapes in your fandom to state when you don't like something, so with that being said.. the women's booking has been ass since basically forever. The talent is there, but the care isn't. Sure, you've got your one-offs here and there where things work, but for the most part the Women's Division is the huge glaring weakness in AEW's booking. As for the comparisons to Kenny's reign... I mean, that went on for too long, too, but I at least understood why. That, and Kenny Omega played the role of a deluded moron with some man-child tendencies. He had no problem looking like a dork. Britt is basically just the mean girl cool heel who's really only had her ass handed to her once, and instead they made her bloody face in loss the moment of the match instead of Rosa drilling her through a table. That kinda thing worked for Austin, but her character isn't like that. Also let’s be honest, Kenny was putting out MOTY candidates consistently. That covers a lot as well. Britt is not. Also there was interesting story stuff and progression on the Kenny and co stuff. And most of his opponents got interesting stuff to do as well. None of that is really true with Britt’s feuds. So it just feels like it’s DRAGGING!
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Post by chrom on Jan 9, 2022 7:48:57 GMT -5
With Rosa feuding with Mercedez now, it'll likely be four months before we finally get this to end with her winning it.
Meaning we've had to put up with these antics for an entire YEAR
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Post by chronocross on Jan 9, 2022 7:58:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind it so much if she showed any kind of fear of her opponents or put them over in any way. Scraping a win doesn't count when you then talk about how nobody else is in your league. The only time I can remember where she did that was against Abadon where she barely escaped and didn't try to stick around for the victory pose.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 9, 2022 8:08:47 GMT -5
She kind of no-sold the whole “I’ve never beaten Riho” aspect of this. Like that was the whole hook (no pun intended) of the feud, yet Britt kind of just was shrugging her shoulders most of the time. He never gave off the impression that she cared much about that. So that, plus Riho getting to say pretty much nothing, left no real investment in all of this.
Then you see Britt’s, not great selling in the match itself and it’s even worse.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 9, 2022 8:26:26 GMT -5
With Rosa feuding with Mercedez now, it'll likely be four months before we finally get this to end with her winning it. Meaning we've had to put up with these antics for an entire YEAR I still think the plan has deviated a bit, and Rosa's gonna win the TBS, and Baker's gonna drop the belt before then. likely a great way to build the secondary title up if they do it this way Even then I do not see Rosa vs Martinez being a four month feud...
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Post by dbrussel on Jan 9, 2022 8:28:46 GMT -5
Britt showing why she's still the champ yesterday. Future feuds with Hayter and those new rumored female signings is where the money is
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 9, 2022 8:53:51 GMT -5
Britt showing why she's still the champ yesterday. Future feuds with Hayter and those new rumored female signings is where the money is That's really it in the end. She's a draw, she's over with the crowd, and she is one of the first organic superstars this company has ever made, so much so Punk unironically put her over as the fourth pillar over MJF, with good reason. We can argue about her workrate, the booking, the interference, all that until the cows come home imo, but tbh AEW has had zero reason to pivot away from Baker as champion right now. I still think she's dropping the belt sooner rather than later, but nothing to me in her reign has screamed to me that she currently needed to drop the belt or there needed to be an emergency pivot. I should put a bow on this by saying I get people with a negative opinion don't care about what the crowd thinks, but on the flipside, when someone is moving a needle, moving merch, and always pops the in general crowd... there's a reason the IWC and Twitter/Reddit hatedoms are a minority when it comes to being fed up with something a lot of the times. I know, I've been there lol I don't see Baker holding the belt too much longer myself, maybe I'm wrong, but imo it is not surprising she has retained over Nyla, Ruby, Statlander, Conti, Abadon and Riho and had a dominant reign so far... and it's because it's working. And whether the next stop is Rosa, Ruby, or a Hayter turn, or someone else, I see it still doing that. Again, that doesn't take away from your personal opinion on the subject, I just see why it's happening, and if Baker is gonna have a title reign, I kinda felt going in it was going to be a long one for these very reasons, and when she drops it, we will start to finally get some shorter ones, which I think the women's belt will benefit from in the end in terms of getting more main event talent involved. My thought is the end comes at Revolution, I guess we'll see what happens.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 9, 2022 9:19:02 GMT -5
Britt showing why she's still the champ yesterday. Future feuds with Hayter and those new rumored female signings is where the money is That's really it in the end. She's a draw, she's over with the crowd, and she is one of the first organic superstars this company has ever made, so much so Punk unironically put her over as the fourth pillar over MJF, with good reason. We can argue about her workrate, the booking, the interference, all that until the cows come home imo, but tbh AEW has had zero reason to pivot away from Baker as champion right now. I still think she's dropping the belt sooner rather than later, but nothing to me in her reign has screamed to me that she currently needed to drop the belt or there needed to be an emergency pivot. I should put a bow on this by saying I get people with a negative opinion don't care about what the crowd thinks, but on the flipside, when someone is moving a needle, moving merch, and always pops the in general crowd... there's a reason the IWC and Twitter/Reddit hatedoms are a minority when it comes to being fed up with something a lot of the times. I know, I've been there lol I don't see Baker holding the belt too much longer myself, maybe I'm wrong, but imo it is not surprising she has retained over Nyla, Ruby, Statlander, Conti, Abadon and Riho and had a dominant reign so far... and it's because it's working. And whether the next stop is Rosa, Ruby, or a Hayter turn, or someone else, I see it still doing that. Again, that doesn't take away from your personal opinion on the subject, I just see why it's happening, and if Baker is gonna have a title reign, I kinda felt going in it was going to be a long one for these very reasons, and when she drops it, we will start to finally get some shorter ones, which I think the women's belt will benefit from in the end in terms of getting more main event talent involved. My thought is the end comes at Revolution, I guess we'll see what happens. There are some parallels between her booking and Roman’s booking (with Roman having better storylines and matches, imo). And we know Roman is a needle mover, and is super over. What’s the difference that makes her booking okay and Roman’s booking “misery booking” that needs to end?
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Post by deezy on Jan 9, 2022 9:50:24 GMT -5
That's really it in the end. She's a draw, she's over with the crowd, and she is one of the first organic superstars this company has ever made, so much so Punk unironically put her over as the fourth pillar over MJF, with good reason. We can argue about her workrate, the booking, the interference, all that until the cows come home imo, but tbh AEW has had zero reason to pivot away from Baker as champion right now. I still think she's dropping the belt sooner rather than later, but nothing to me in her reign has screamed to me that she currently needed to drop the belt or there needed to be an emergency pivot. I should put a bow on this by saying I get people with a negative opinion don't care about what the crowd thinks, but on the flipside, when someone is moving a needle, moving merch, and always pops the in general crowd... there's a reason the IWC and Twitter/Reddit hatedoms are a minority when it comes to being fed up with something a lot of the times. I know, I've been there lol I don't see Baker holding the belt too much longer myself, maybe I'm wrong, but imo it is not surprising she has retained over Nyla, Ruby, Statlander, Conti, Abadon and Riho and had a dominant reign so far... and it's because it's working. And whether the next stop is Rosa, Ruby, or a Hayter turn, or someone else, I see it still doing that. Again, that doesn't take away from your personal opinion on the subject, I just see why it's happening, and if Baker is gonna have a title reign, I kinda felt going in it was going to be a long one for these very reasons, and when she drops it, we will start to finally get some shorter ones, which I think the women's belt will benefit from in the end in terms of getting more main event talent involved. My thought is the end comes at Revolution, I guess we'll see what happens. There are some parallels between her booking and Roman’s booking (with Roman having better storylines and matches, imo). And we know Roman is a needle mover, and is super over. What’s the difference that makes her booking okay and Roman’s booking “misery booking” that needs to end? I was going to say the exact same thing. Roman moves the needle, Merch, pops the crowd. WWE has no reason the pivot away from Roman just like AEW and Britt. They're Reigns ( no pun intended) are more alike than I thought.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 9, 2022 10:06:27 GMT -5
That's really it in the end. She's a draw, she's over with the crowd, and she is one of the first organic superstars this company has ever made, so much so Punk unironically put her over as the fourth pillar over MJF, with good reason. We can argue about her workrate, the booking, the interference, all that until the cows come home imo, but tbh AEW has had zero reason to pivot away from Baker as champion right now. I still think she's dropping the belt sooner rather than later, but nothing to me in her reign has screamed to me that she currently needed to drop the belt or there needed to be an emergency pivot. I should put a bow on this by saying I get people with a negative opinion don't care about what the crowd thinks, but on the flipside, when someone is moving a needle, moving merch, and always pops the in general crowd... there's a reason the IWC and Twitter/Reddit hatedoms are a minority when it comes to being fed up with something a lot of the times. I know, I've been there lol I don't see Baker holding the belt too much longer myself, maybe I'm wrong, but imo it is not surprising she has retained over Nyla, Ruby, Statlander, Conti, Abadon and Riho and had a dominant reign so far... and it's because it's working. And whether the next stop is Rosa, Ruby, or a Hayter turn, or someone else, I see it still doing that. Again, that doesn't take away from your personal opinion on the subject, I just see why it's happening, and if Baker is gonna have a title reign, I kinda felt going in it was going to be a long one for these very reasons, and when she drops it, we will start to finally get some shorter ones, which I think the women's belt will benefit from in the end in terms of getting more main event talent involved. My thought is the end comes at Revolution, I guess we'll see what happens. There are some parallels between her booking and Roman’s booking (with Roman having better storylines and matches, imo). And we know Roman is a needle mover, and is super over. What’s the difference that makes her booking okay and Roman’s booking “misery booking” that needs to end? Well a much shorter reign for one at this current day, and Britt for all the problems is not always all over the show from beginning to end. While she is the clear top of the women's division, she is currently imo well balanced out by the rest of AEW's card, which is a HUGE difference from Roman, which is why his booking stands out more on Smackdown and is considered a miserable experience. I also note for how protected Britt is, she lost to Riho, and she loses multi woman matches a lot. Roman doesn't even lose tag matches that he doesn't even need to be pinned in, that's another thing that can make it tedious. The push to finally get more feuds popping off in the womens division (Champion Jade, Rosa/Martinez, Deeb/Shida, Statlander/Hirsch) are also helping imo take some of the monotany off the situation. I can still name several challengers for Baker who can realstically take her belt, Roman is much less so . And just for the record, I also get why WWE has the belt on Roman, and he has more than earned the praise and his spot on the top of the card, but yeah, the way they fed the entire roster to him to the point Smackdown just feels like nothing but his show (Not helped by the fact Nakamura won't defend the f***ing IC Title and probably only inflated by the fact Charlotte literally doesn't have a challenger for her own title too), it's definitely hurt the perception of the reign and the entire show as a whole imo, a severe lack of pivot and balance, the amount of times he has stood tall to end a show too, it's a world of difference imo. There are some definite comparisons, and it does make me think that if Smackdown had a more balanced card and more stuff going on, it might be way more tolerable, but the entire show runs through an unstoppable man in Roman and has for I cannot stress this enough, over two years. It's a stark difference to Baker who imo isn't even holding the title much longer, where there's no end to Roman's in sight. It wouldn't even get the cries that it needs to end if there'd be some deviation to the norm, but the fact it's defaulted back to Brock again? Well, there's plenty of discussion in the other section for that, so I'll just leave it there. But yes, that's not something I'm oblivious to when it comes to parallels, but imo it's had plenty of differences as far as I see them, and I've watched both reigns from the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 10:12:26 GMT -5
I dont see the problem personally.
She seems to be the most over women on the roser, so they keep the belt on her.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 9, 2022 10:27:07 GMT -5
When Britt's entrances are longer than some of the matches the other women have and she's there taking up 20 minutes every single week, I'll compare her to Roman.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 9, 2022 11:11:45 GMT -5
It’s kind of hard to use the “she’s over” line when plenty of other women are also over when getting far less and they were pushing her hard even before she was over.
The argument they “it’s working” is highly debatable because the booking of the women is still the element of AEW that gets the most complaints. Maybe if they booked the division better, it would be less on an issue. But when it is still not used well, the problems become more noticeable.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 9, 2022 11:22:24 GMT -5
I dont see the problem personally. She seems to be the most over women on the roser, so they keep the belt on her. Yeah, I’m getting a lil sick of the reign (despite being a massive mark for her) but I was invested as hell during the match last night and her last few matches actually. What bugs is this notion of “we’re waiting on the Rosa feud”. That’s more of my beef with Tony Mr New Long Term Booking Khan though.
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