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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 7, 2022 14:04:32 GMT -5
You know, I heard em say this on a Fightful podcast but given his recent AEW run, we might need to say it. Like, we've said it before but let's talk about it in detail. Is Bryan in the discussion as being a GOAT? Man's had his ROH career, man had his WWE career including that WM win, man's now doing his AEW run and he's putting on classic after classic after classic. That's 3 different companies all giving you the emotion, storylines, all around greatness along with top notch wrestling, all through it. I cannot for the life of me think of someone who's done this in 3 different companies quite to this level. He'll probably do this for at least 5 more years but I think wherever he is, he can be discussed as being in that GOAT category. Forreal. Like, Bryan's in that Jericho territory if you ask me from a wrestling talent perspective. He's got moments, matches, skill, promos, longevity, different characters, like, he's really doing it. You can have your own subjective GOAT. Like, for me that's Danielson, Undertaker, or Punk. A lot of people these days say Bret Hart. A lot of fans will insist on Misawa or Kobashi or Tanahasi or Okada, Flair, Austin, hell there are even some Bockwinkel guys around; Danielson is almost objectively the most versatile wrestler of all time beyond all personal opinion. Ever since he started to display mic skills he's basically had the same skillset as Regal with a main event push and a modern post-KENTA style. He can do literally anything and he makes it believable. I think in a decade he'll be the go-to GOAT for western smarks like Hart is now, and I think his case is much stronger
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 7, 2022 14:34:29 GMT -5
When talking about GOAT, pro wrestling us even more difficult than other sports. Because there are SO MANY different criteria that people could use to make those judgments.
Also the scripted nature of it plays a role as well.
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Post by chnwh on Jan 7, 2022 16:24:32 GMT -5
I like Page, but thought Danielson should have won.
Page losing, reverting back to his depressive mode and doubting himself before coming back at the end of the year to win it back and then hold it for a while (which I presume he will do) is how I'd have done it.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 7, 2022 18:45:25 GMT -5
You know, I heard em say this on a Fightful podcast but given his recent AEW run, we might need to say it. Like, we've said it before but let's talk about it in detail. Is Bryan in the discussion as being a GOAT? Man's had his ROH career, man had his WWE career including that WM win, man's now doing his AEW run and he's putting on classic after classic after classic. That's 3 different companies all giving you the emotion, storylines, all around greatness along with top notch wrestling, all through it. I cannot for the life of me think of someone who's done this in 3 different companies quite to this level. He'll probably do this for at least 5 more years but I think wherever he is, he can be discussed as being in that GOAT category. Forreal. Like, Bryan's in that Jericho territory if you ask me from a wrestling talent perspective. He's got moments, matches, skill, promos, longevity, different characters, like, he's really doing it. I think Bryan's WWE run seals the deal. Like, you take that out, he spends forever tearing up Japan and PWG and all that for ten years before coming to AEW, I think people have the power to doubt him. But the man was so good he forced his way into a Wrestlemania main event that became so much bigger and more iconic than it would have been if they thought "Yeah let's have him main event". Personally I rate the level and quality of work he's done elsewhere higher, but I don't think he'd have the claim to this conversation he does if he didn't casually prove he's also the f***ing king at WWE style and what WWE wants. It's proving he's the best at everything in every way and no matter what environment you put him in, no matter how big the stage is, he's going to make his way to the top. Like I can't think of any measurement of talent you could use to examine it that doesn't show Danielson at the top.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 7, 2022 19:26:27 GMT -5
I like Page, but thought Danielson should have won. Page losing, reverting back to his depressive mode and doubting himself before coming back at the end of the year to win it back and then hold it for a while (which I presume he will do) is how I'd have done it. Nah…then you are just retreading water from the past two years. If he wins it back and loses, does he go through yet another depressive mode? To me, its great character development for him to gain confidence and believe in himself as champion. And if he loses eventually, it’s very important to me that he does NOT go back to being depressed and doubting himself. Because to me that would be going backwards.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 7, 2022 19:56:50 GMT -5
Yeah. I don’t think that every wrestler NEEDS a super long title reign. However, they spent TWO YEARS building this story and getting the belt on Page.
Taking it off him after a month and a half and not being able to decisively defend it even once, would be a wet fart of an ending.
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Post by eJm on Jan 7, 2022 20:03:37 GMT -5
Also, how much does it do for his reign already that he beat, clean in the middle of the ring, a guy who was undefeated in AEW all of last year and, if we’re including his WWE time, went toe to toe with two big names in Roman Reigns and Edge? Like, regardless of what happens, Page is established as champion.
He doesn’t need a long reign but he’s no longer the guy who people could argue stumbled his way into this.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 7, 2022 20:08:33 GMT -5
You know, I heard em say this on a Fightful podcast but given his recent AEW run, we might need to say it. Like, we've said it before but let's talk about it in detail. Is Bryan in the discussion as being a GOAT? Man's had his ROH career, man had his WWE career including that WM win, man's now doing his AEW run and he's putting on classic after classic after classic. That's 3 different companies all giving you the emotion, storylines, all around greatness along with top notch wrestling, all through it. I cannot for the life of me think of someone who's done this in 3 different companies quite to this level. He'll probably do this for at least 5 more years but I think wherever he is, he can be discussed as being in that GOAT category. Forreal. Like, Bryan's in that Jericho territory if you ask me from a wrestling talent perspective. He's got moments, matches, skill, promos, longevity, different characters, like, he's really doing it. I think Bryan's WWE run seals the deal. Like, you take that out, he spends forever tearing up Japan and PWG and all that for ten years before coming to AEW, I think people have the power to doubt him. But the man was so good he forced his way into a Wrestlemania main event that became so much bigger and more iconic than it would have been if they thought "Yeah let's have him main event". Personally I rate the level and quality of work he's done elsewhere higher, but I don't think he'd have the claim to this conversation he does if he didn't casually prove he's also the f***ing king at WWE style and what WWE wants. It's proving he's the best at everything in every way and no matter what environment you put him in, no matter how big the stage is, he's going to make his way to the top. Like I can't think of any measurement of talent you could use to examine it that doesn't show Danielson at the top. This is a good point, because when I'm thinking of it...the only major contender I can think of for "Best of all time" who had comparable struggles with his promotions was Bret Hart. And Danielson stacks up pretty well against Bret in a lot of ways. That's not to say that someone like Kenta Kobashi or John Cena should be overlooked because they were adored by their promotion - just that being adored by a promotion gives a wrestler a lot of opportunities to show the full wealth of their talent.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 7, 2022 20:09:43 GMT -5
I like Page, but thought Danielson should have won. Page losing, reverting back to his depressive mode and doubting himself before coming back at the end of the year to win it back and then hold it for a while (which I presume he will do) is how I'd have done it. Nah…then you are just retreading water from the past two years. If he wins it back and loses, does he go through yet another depressive mode? To me, its great character development for him to gain confidence and believe in himself as champion. And if he loses eventually, it’s very important to me that he does NOT go back to being depressed and doubting himself. Because to me that would be going backwards. I was daydreaming today about how perfect of a first competitor Bryan Danielson was for Page. After months of uncertainty in himself and all the “drama” w/ Bucks, Dark Order, Kenny, his first competitor could not give less of a shit about him. Just wanted the title. And he’s arguably the greatest wrestler on the planet. Danielson both in terms of character and in the ring put over Hangman huge.
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Post by chnwh on Jan 8, 2022 8:11:13 GMT -5
I like Page, but thought Danielson should have won. Page losing, reverting back to his depressive mode and doubting himself before coming back at the end of the year to win it back and then hold it for a while (which I presume he will do) is how I'd have done it. Nah…then you are just retreading water from the past two years. If he wins it back and loses, does he go through yet another depressive mode? To me, its great character development for him to gain confidence and believe in himself as champion. And if he loses eventually, it’s very important to me that he does NOT go back to being depressed and doubting himself. Because to me that would be going backwards. No harm in going backwards to go forwards. I don't think he is good enough to beat Danielson clean in the middle of the ring, but then I suppose it depends on whether BD has been brought in to carry the company or to put people over.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 8, 2022 8:12:51 GMT -5
Bryan can take any loss and still be the total badass he is. It's more important right now that Page has a strong reign, especially as I don't see it being a very long one.
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Post by chnwh on Jan 8, 2022 8:20:04 GMT -5
Bryan can take any loss and still be the total badass he is. It's more important right now that Page has a strong reign, especially as I don't see it being a very long one. Quite possibly. I like Page so I'm not bagging him as such....just not sure that is how I'd have done it.
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