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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 20:23:06 GMT -5
So this thing's been around a while now. What's your opinion of it today?
You like it? You don't like it? You don't care?
What?
Me, eh I'm not gonna lie. While it's a cool idea I'd personally like the idea of a ranking system to not be visible. Yeah they can do one but I don't need to see it. Still it I dislike it or anything.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 9, 2022 20:26:10 GMT -5
It's a cool storytelling device so I'm glad it's there. I think what matters more to me though is the win/losses being tracked and shown on their nameplate. It keeps the booking honest. I hate when other companies just ignore it and hot shot someone with a terrible record and expect us not to notice.
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Post by holyshida on Jan 9, 2022 20:26:15 GMT -5
It's fine. I don't take it too seriously. It's just who they want to push
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 9, 2022 20:32:34 GMT -5
I wish the rankings were accompanied by a short written blurb or a 5 minute YouTube video explaining any changes to the ranks, because every once in a while, there's decisions made in the rankings where the rationale isn't really obvious, like Butcher & The Blade being ranked immediately after Butcher returned from injury.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 20:36:22 GMT -5
It makes any random match matter. Need a reason for The Acclaimed and The Varsity Blondes to feud? One team is ranked #1 and won’t give up the spot. Cage beats Page randomly, oh it knocks Page out of the top spot. It’s extremely kayfabed and I’m ok with it, because it makes the most random match/feud in some shape or form matter
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Post by Fade on Jan 9, 2022 20:47:39 GMT -5
I pay absolutely no attention to it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 9, 2022 20:55:44 GMT -5
it ends up being mostly ignored but does conveniently get used from time to time for story purposes
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 9, 2022 21:30:50 GMT -5
Sincere love vote from me. It's a simple thing that helps keep the booking more honest and always helps you track the paths of the booking as they go. It's not always flawlessly executed, but it adds a consistency to the story that generally at least makes some step of sense. There's initial thoguht put into the 'who' of feuds and the homework legwork has been done to set them up for it. Which isn't to say my love for it means tracking the numbers and everything, I just think that as a narrative device underpinning the booking, AEW has proven a willingness to stand by it and commit to its consequences from the start, and I greatly respect that given how much people expected them to run it for a few months, find it inconvenient, and toss it aside.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 9, 2022 21:33:00 GMT -5
I'm indifferent. Like it's a cool extra thing and when they do fun stuff with it it's fun, but I would absolutely not notice if they just stopped doing it tomorrow. I imagine a big reason for that though is that I don't watch AEW Dark so I miss out on everybody deep in the trenches farming their wins. Like I love hearing that somebody's super high on the rankings cause he's been beating dudes to death on YouTube.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 9, 2022 21:49:23 GMT -5
The system itself is fine. There's definitely a little confusion in exactly how it works - how climbing them works is kind of invisible, since it seems to clearly not be just the math of the win/loss ratio. I also don't mind the jobber-farming aspect, because in kayfabe, beating a jobber is still effort, and I think there's something neat on the theme/story side that wrestlers benefit from grinding through unglamorous matches.
I like the idea of the rankings, and them being built on wins (even jobber wins), because I like that there is something in the fiction to justify wrestlers being booked...pretty much however they would have been booked otherwise. It never feels like it's tying the booker's hands, and it's something concrete behind an aspect of wrestling storytelling that's often just arbitrary anyway.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 9, 2022 22:08:45 GMT -5
It's good for storytelling. Creates new stories in wrestling, which is hard to do. Don't often have stories where someone is barred from a title shot because they're not ranked. Plus gives wrestlers a goal to shot for instead of aimlessly having matches and then suddenly getting a title shot even though they're 10-60 that year. Even if wins end up getting padded on Dark, it's refreshing seeing people scratching and clawing for wins so they can be ranked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 22:14:26 GMT -5
It's a good plot point. Jinder would have been far better off with having to climb a ranking system by a multi month winning streak rather than losing the Andre BR, and then randomly winning a no 1 contenders match a week or two later. While I don't think he was a good champion that kind of storytelling meant many fans didn't give his reign a chance.
If AEW decides on their own Jinder (say TK wakes up tomorrow and has his heart set on Hobbs or Pilman as champ asap) then the temptation to rush the belt on him has a plot obstacle that is for their own good in terms of star building.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 9, 2022 22:53:43 GMT -5
I think it's fine. It does it's job, makes challengers easy to see, and the stats are a good way to put someone over. It also makes AEW different to the other wrestling companies in north America.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 9, 2022 22:57:55 GMT -5
I like it. Adds to the presentation of the overall product and makes for a convenient storytelling device when needed.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 10, 2022 3:27:17 GMT -5
It's bullshit but the kind of corny kayfabe bullshit I dig.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 10, 2022 3:36:02 GMT -5
I'm indifferent but I assume at some stage it will book them into a corner
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Post by Bad Moon on Jan 10, 2022 4:12:17 GMT -5
As someone who follows MMA it's amazing how a fake pro wrestling ranking that only exists as a plot point is somehow more relevant and less arbirary than the official UFC title and P4P rankings.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 10, 2022 5:09:11 GMT -5
I'm glad it exists as it makes most matches meaningful but I want it in the background as much as possible.
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Post by clifford on Jan 10, 2022 5:51:40 GMT -5
I like it, but it could be better.
I would like to see more ranked wrestlers/teams face off against each other. To this point that's only really come into play during no.1 contender tournaments, which is fine but it shouldn't be the only time it happens.
But I'd like to see more 'Tonight! It's number 2 vs. number 3! Who has a chance to rise in the rankings and who will fall out with a loss!'. Basically they should take more advantage of the system. The roster is huge now and there should be more interchanging of the ranked wrestlers. Some dudes hang around the top 5 forever without ever sniffing a title shot (see: Orange Cassidy, second half of last year, among others)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2022 7:02:46 GMT -5
I enjoy it, and it gives a lot of reasoning as to why wrestlers try and avoid DQs and why referees are more lenient, because every match has stakes that can out you up and down the ladder
I agree some update videos would be cool, even quick Twitter ones, but I think it's fine as it is and does its job well.
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