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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 20, 2022 16:25:37 GMT -5
Shawn Spears got it this way and same with Dustin Rhodes, but that was before they were really taking the AEW threat seriously. FTR were the last really outspoken people to be let go from what I remember. And even, they got lumped into budget cuts just like Brodie, and I think their contracts were about due anyway, from what I remember.
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Post by Helen of Jasper Troy on Jan 20, 2022 16:30:49 GMT -5
I wish they would let him go as he is a hell of a talent, but how many talents have been granted their release by asking for it publicly first? Shawn Spears got it this way and same with Dustin Rhodes, but that was before they were really taking the AEW threat seriously. Might be getting timelines mixed up but I feel like Shawn Spears was the turning point where after that they got A Lot more petty about it.
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Post by Legion on Jan 20, 2022 16:31:44 GMT -5
And then he plays in to the their hands for painting him as awkward and difficult to work with and all the rest. It's a very thin line between letting people know you are frustrated and actually making yourself look like too much baggage for any other company. Let's be real here do any other companies in the world think Vince is a standup guy? Like would Tony Khan not hire him because of this? Depends what he is saying. Tony isnt going to want Unions or whatever either, and it still does paint a picture of someone if they go negative because they can't have their own way. I am not suggesting he shouldnt keep trying to get released, or that he shouldn't have his opinion. I just think he has to be careful about going too negative, else regardless of whether it's justified, it could still poison some people or give them the wrong idea of what he's like. Some people get on with Vince and not everyone has the same opinion or experiences. Someone can still look like a complainer even if they may be completely justified in what they are complaining about.
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Post by gl83 on Jan 20, 2022 16:31:52 GMT -5
Shawn Spears got it this way and same with Dustin Rhodes, but that was before they were really taking the AEW threat seriously. FTR were the last really outspoken people to be let go from what I remember. Taynara and Deonna Purrazzo were also pretty outspoken.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jan 20, 2022 16:32:42 GMT -5
Maaaaaaaaaan, that’s some grade-A horseshit right there. Ali deserves the world.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 20, 2022 16:33:45 GMT -5
I assume they’ll either try to woo him back if they actually see value in him and want to use him, a la Sasha when she requested her release. Or they’ll wait a little bit longer before actually releasing him because they’re upset about him publicly asking for the release.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 20, 2022 16:34:20 GMT -5
If they really used the value line it's great, you all released Bray Wyatt don't tell me you aren't cutting someone over value.
This is about pettiness, he refused to do something Vince told him to do.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 20, 2022 16:34:28 GMT -5
I wonder if just pulling a Toni Storm is on the table.
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Post by Legion on Jan 20, 2022 16:35:24 GMT -5
I wonder if just pulling a Toni Storm is on the table. That would probably be the easiest thing to do, to be honest. Don't go down the route of negativity, just say you're burnt out and go home.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 20, 2022 16:36:06 GMT -5
I wonder if just pulling a Toni Storm is on the table. They granted her release. If not, she’d still be contractually obligated to them for the duration of her deal.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 20, 2022 16:37:42 GMT -5
Kind of wonder why they let Toni Storm leave when she asked for her release, yet they won’t let Ali go when he asks for a release. If the guy is unhappy, just let go if he doesn’t want to be there. And even if he has years, all they are gonna do is waste him even more. Because they aren’t gonna actually push him, so there really is no point. SRS basically says they're holding onto Ali because of his perceived value. So they know he's worth more to the competition yet they still won't use him properly. Go figure. Hey now, let's not be too ugly and cynical over it. Maybe they're holding onto Ali for the value he has to the company. I mean, Vince only has one Muslim wrestler he can stick into a turban and have screech about beheadings. Ali will see WWE's way and come back around in time.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 20, 2022 16:38:08 GMT -5
I wonder if just pulling a Toni Storm is on the table. That would probably be the easiest thing to do, to be honest. Don't go down the route of negativity, just say you're burnt out and go home. I don't think they're even booking him so good luck with that.
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Post by Legion on Jan 20, 2022 16:42:54 GMT -5
That would probably be the easiest thing to do, to be honest. Don't go down the route of negativity, just say you're burnt out and go home. I don't think they're even booking him so good luck with that. But they're likely making him come and sit in catering. At least if he says he is unwell and cannot go, they may lock him down contractually, but at least he might be able to stay home and be a dad. You can be oppositional and subversive without being outright unprofessional - even if you're facing it from the other side.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 20, 2022 18:54:42 GMT -5
The thing about the independent contractor stuff is that there is zero chance of it being enforceable by law, WWE just have so much resources that nobody wants to take them to court over it.
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Post by cjh on Jan 20, 2022 19:06:56 GMT -5
The thing about the independent contractor stuff is that there is zero chance of it being enforceable by law, WWE just have so much resources that nobody wants to take them to court over it. I think WWE would have to stop paying him for it to actually be an issue. There's nothing that says they have to book you. They just have to pay you what they promised.
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Post by Fade on Jan 20, 2022 19:48:07 GMT -5
Has to be pettiness or trying to lure him back and I’m guessing it’s the former.
Could be to avoid Ali talking shit about whatever Vince suggested but that seems inevitable so..weird. Just let him go.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 20, 2022 19:58:42 GMT -5
The thing about the independent contractor stuff is that there is zero chance of it being enforceable by law, WWE just have so much resources that nobody wants to take them to court over it. I think WWE would have to stop paying him for it to actually be an issue. There's nothing that says they have to book you. They just have to pay you what they promised. It may depend on whether or not Ali still shows up to work. If he has dates left on his contract and he's not there, they may be able to withhold pay.
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Post by cjh on Jan 20, 2022 20:12:16 GMT -5
I think WWE would have to stop paying him for it to actually be an issue. There's nothing that says they have to book you. They just have to pay you what they promised. It may depend on whether or not Ali still shows up to work. If he has dates left on his contract and he's not there, they may be able to withhold pay. They can't pay him $0 while also not allowing him to be booked outside the company. They only have the power to prevent him from leaving by continuing to pay him what they promised. If they don't want to pay him to sit at home, they either have to convince him to return or give him his release.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jan 20, 2022 20:31:02 GMT -5
It's mind-boggling the "we know you have value, but we won't value you" train of thought.
Well...more like "we know you have value, but we won't value you because you won't do our racist stereotype gimmick" train of thought.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 20, 2022 20:42:07 GMT -5
To even pretend that professionalism is a thing with a company that asks you to relocate one week and cuts you the next is absurd so nah, I hope Ali stomps his feet loud as he can and shows his full ass. f*** em.
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