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Post by chronocross on Jan 17, 2022 14:17:38 GMT -5
Hopefully he gets a better deal elsewhere, though I don't know if I would have posted it until the release was official.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 17, 2022 15:23:44 GMT -5
The only thing from Main Event I remember is the first episode when they did Punk vs Sheamus champ vs champ. I think that was later, the main event of the first one I'm pretty sure was Taker vs. Matt Hardy. That was Superstars.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 17, 2022 15:27:35 GMT -5
Dude has a ton of talent, but do I see him as a main eventer? No. There is nothing wrong with that. There have been a ton of people who never got to that level who made a boatload of money. As far as the proposed angle, it is speculation that it would be another Hassan type of angle. I'll always maintain that up until the martyr portion, the Hassan stuff was pretty good and had legs. I'll even go as far to say that if done right (yeah, WWE would probably screw this up), he could have been a huge face down the road. From what I remember, the very first Hassan promo was incredibly well done and was very open ended on whether he was heel or face. But then they leaned heavily into him being heel on the next promo and all the subtlety was gone from the gimmick. Eh... people say that but it was still framed with an accusatory tone.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 17, 2022 15:31:57 GMT -5
From what I remember, the very first Hassan promo was incredibly well done and was very open ended on whether he was heel or face. But then they leaned heavily into him being heel on the next promo and all the subtlety was gone from the gimmick. Eh... people say that but it was still framed with an accusatory tone. I legit haven’t seen the promo since it first aired, so I could absolutely be remembering wrong. Gave up on my re-watch of Raw mid Invasion.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 17, 2022 15:34:12 GMT -5
Eh... people say that but it was still framed with an accusatory tone. I legit haven’t seen the promo since it first aired, so I could absolutely be remembering wrong. Gave up on my re-watch of Raw mid Invasion. I'm just going off my flawed memory but from what I remember there was definitely a slant of I am blaming the people in the audience for this. not to mention the WWE were absolutely banking on people booing with Daivari yelling in Farsi afterwards.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 17, 2022 15:34:59 GMT -5
Twice? Once as Golga, what was the second time? He was one of the side members of the Truth Commission before they dropped a bunch of them. I think that may have been the infamous Mantaur.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 17, 2022 15:36:43 GMT -5
I legit haven’t seen the promo since it first aired, so I could absolutely be remembering wrong. Gave up on my re-watch of Raw mid Invasion. I'm just going off my flawed memory but from what I remember there was definitely a slant of I am blaming the people in the audience for this. not to mention the WWE were absolutely banking on people booing with Daivari yelling in Farsi afterwards. Oh right, I forgot Daivari did the Farsi part in the first video. Yeah, that was absolutely gonna turn the fans. Did Hassan close with “Praise Allah” in his first video too? I remember people turning on him hard when he said that. Post 9/11 America was quite an interesting time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 17, 2022 15:39:01 GMT -5
He was one of the side members of the Truth Commission before they dropped a bunch of them. I think that may have been the infamous Mantaur. Yeah, Mantaur was Tank. Tenta was still wrestling in WCW when the Truth Commission was around I think.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 17, 2022 15:47:02 GMT -5
I think that may have been the infamous Mantaur. Yeah, Mantaur was Tank. Tenta was still wrestling in WCW when the Truth Commission was around I think. Look, I have a reasonable explanation for confusing Mantaur and John Tenta... HEY, ISN'T THAT CODY RHODES?! *runs away*
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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on Jan 18, 2022 3:13:21 GMT -5
He would be the perfect guy to leave for Impact and be "the guy" there.
WWE legit wasted everyone from 205 Live. Murphy, Cedric, Mustafa, etc. Three guys who could've been major players for WWE today were afterthoughts in the writers room.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 3:40:38 GMT -5
He would be the perfect guy to leave for Impact and be "the guy" there. WWE legit wasted everyone from 205 Live. Murphy, Cedric, Mustafa, etc. Three guys who could've been major players for WWE today were afterthoughts in the writers room. I liked 205 Live but honestly besides Enzo, PAC and KENTA, I didn't see any of them as big players or anything. Good in the ring? Yes. But they were too small and generic for my taste. What was Tony Nese and Murphy's gimmick or character? They had none. And that's not gonna catch the eye of Vince. They'll do well in Impact cause they like "pure wrestling" and regular guys. But WWE value mic skills, personality and distinctive looks above that.
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Post by msc on Jan 18, 2022 4:18:18 GMT -5
He would be the perfect guy to leave for Impact and be "the guy" there. WWE legit wasted everyone from 205 Live. Murphy, Cedric, Mustafa, etc. Three guys who could've been major players for WWE today were afterthoughts in the writers room. I liked 205 Live but honestly besides Enzo, PAC and KENTA, I didn't see any of them as big players or anything. Good in the ring? Yes. But they were too small and generic for my taste. What was Tony Nese and Murphy's gimmick or character? They had none. And that's not gonna catch the eye of Vince. They'll do well in Impact cause they like "pure wrestling" and regular guys. But WWE value mic skills, personality and distinctive looks above that. Murphy is a good wrestler but by far his best run in the WWE was when he was on RAW getting frustrated by his inability to beat Aleistar Black until Seth Rollins reached out to him and he became the conflicted evil protege. That was a good role for him. Blown up by WWE's allergy to henchmen/tag partners/anything which isn't a lone wolf. Cedric had a good spot as the tag guy henchman in a suit next to Lashley. That's a good role. It's not main event or challenging for the title, but not everyone can, and one of WWE's many many issues in 2022 is they see no value in the guys who get in the way of the match fans want to see. Someone needs to take down Lashley? Well they got to get round all his friends first. Booking 101. Now it's Lashley talks on a mic for 6 weeks saying the same thing. If everyone is a main eventer, no one looks special, in my book.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 18, 2022 4:26:22 GMT -5
He would be the perfect guy to leave for Impact and be "the guy" there. WWE legit wasted everyone from 205 Live. Murphy, Cedric, Mustafa, etc. Three guys who could've been major players for WWE today were afterthoughts in the writers room. I liked 205 Live but honestly besides Enzo, PAC and KENTA, I didn't see any of them as big players or anything. Good in the ring? Yes. But they were too small and generic for my taste. What was Tony Nese and Murphy's gimmick or character? They had none. And that's not gonna catch the eye of Vince. They'll do well in Impact cause they like "pure wrestling" and regular guys. But WWE value mic skills, personality and distinctive looks above that. The WWE have a history of blocking talent from showing these things when it comes to wrestlers they don't have any real plans for. How can you show mic skills if you're given no mic time or bad material whenever you are? How do you show personality when anything that gets too over is taken from you? How do you stand out, looks wise when you're told to change your look to play a company mandated gimmick, or told to cut your hair off because management don't like long hair this week or want to see how you'll look bald. The company micromanage everything, it'll not a place where people get pushed for standing out unless Vince himself chose them for greatness, the tallest flower in this garden gets cut.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 18, 2022 4:42:17 GMT -5
I liked 205 Live but honestly besides Enzo, PAC and KENTA, I didn't see any of them as big players or anything. Good in the ring? Yes. But they were too small and generic for my taste. What was Tony Nese and Murphy's gimmick or character? They had none. And that's not gonna catch the eye of Vince. They'll do well in Impact cause they like "pure wrestling" and regular guys. But WWE value mic skills, personality and distinctive looks above that. The WWE have a history of blocking talent from showing these things when it comes to wrestlers they don't have any real plans for. How can you show mic skills if you're given no mic time or bad material whenever you are? How do you show personality when anything that gets too over is taken from you? How do you stand out, looks wise when you're told to change your look to play a company mandated gimmick, or told to cut your hair off because management don't like long hair this week or want to see how you'll look bald. The company micromanage everything, it'll not a place where people get pushed for standing out unless Vince himself chose them for greatness, the tallest flower in this garden gets cut. Of all the people I've met, I've encountered very few who I'd describe as completely boring and non-present. Most people have something interesting about them, and many of the ones who don't generally don't do anything or go anywhere. With wrestlers, you have trained performers, and a lot of them just maybe need a nudge of training in that direction. A lot don't, they just need to be given something that suits them and lets them bring out what is interesting about them. There's a reason Luke Gallows kept coming in to WWE as a boring big guy but any time you go hunt him down in a casual environment he's witty and clever and has great comedic timing. Even if you get mic time, the material you're handed isn't only just bad, but it's written in a way that very few people can present well. The wording is all stilted and the cadence is off, so many wrestlers don't feel comfortable saying it and it's not because they don't have personalities, it's because the material isn't something most people could express well. Ali cut great, heartfelt promos on his own that WWE never showed, and nothing he could do with a WWE mic in his hand stood up to those because they weren't coming from a genuine place. Hell, even some people who thrived with WWE material can go out in the world post-WWE and do better; Jon Moxley is a man with twice the personality Dean Ambrose had, and a lot of that is the physicality he can put into his promos. It's something he did for years and stopped doing in WWE because in WWE, you don't cut promos with physicality. You stand ramrod still in the ring with a mic in hand and stare at the hard camera, or you position yourself in a backstage interview at an angle between the camera and the interviewer and then turn back and forth to look at them both. The way WWE produces television is antithetical to letting so many talents show their personalities because everything has to be processed through the lazy, overly rigid way they produce television
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 18, 2022 5:24:32 GMT -5
He would be the perfect guy to leave for Impact and be "the guy" there. WWE legit wasted everyone from 205 Live. Murphy, Cedric, Mustafa, etc. Three guys who could've been major players for WWE today were afterthoughts in the writers room. I liked 205 Live but honestly besides Enzo, PAC and KENTA, I didn't see any of them as big players or anything. Good in the ring? Yes. But they were too small and generic for my taste. What was Tony Nese and Murphy's gimmick or character? They had none. And that's not gonna catch the eye of Vince. They'll do well in Impact cause they like "pure wrestling" and regular guys. But WWE value mic skills, personality and distinctive looks above that. They didn't have any character because Vince never gave a shit to try and GIVE THEM any gimmick of character. They overly script promos, sometimes they never let these guys talk ever, and when you're regulated to 205 live or main event, how the f*** are you supposed to show you have anything?? I also fail to see how a super athletic human being is a "regular guy", but that's another debate entirely. No one was even saying they had to be big players, but WWE didn't even try to make them regular players, or anything, for that matter, that's the issue. Do you see their midcard right now? It's nothing, the US and Intercontinental Titles are glorified paperweights. Ali could have been doing SOMETHING, Cedric could have been doing something worthwhile, Murphy, Tozawa, Nese, etc, those guys didn't have to be main event stars, but they all have upside, upside that Vince doesn't and didn't see. And frankly? It's biting him in the ass, especially in the long term imo.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 18, 2022 5:38:27 GMT -5
He would be the perfect guy to leave for Impact and be "the guy" there. WWE legit wasted everyone from 205 Live. Murphy, Cedric, Mustafa, etc. Three guys who could've been major players for WWE today were afterthoughts in the writers room. I liked 205 Live but honestly besides Enzo, PAC and KENTA, I didn't see any of them as big players or anything. Good in the ring? Yes. But they were too small and generic for my taste. What was Tony Nese and Murphy's gimmick or character? They had none. And that's not gonna catch the eye of Vince. They'll do well in Impact cause they like "pure wrestling" and regular guys. But WWE value mic skills, personality and distinctive looks above that. I gotta say, dude, if there's 1 company out there that values things like mic skills, personality & distinctive looks...it's Impact.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 18, 2022 5:40:41 GMT -5
I’m sorry, why are we still having these conversations about Star potential when there have been story after story about people having to jump through hoops to get anywhre and the scripting of promos only benefiting a handful of people? Even Roman now doesn’t get as scripted because he’s considered enough of a Star to ask for that. There are countless case studies and interviews going into details about the problems people have had but it still comes up again and again and again and it makes zero sense.
We all should know better at this point.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 18, 2022 5:44:02 GMT -5
I gotta say, dude, if there's 1 company out there that values things like mic skills, personality & distinctive looks...it's Impact. We live in a world where the former Forgotten Son Steve Cutler could be built up to be a credible X-Division champion and Impact has its own history of missing the mark on can’t miss talent so if they can do that, WWE has less of an excuse.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 18, 2022 6:26:31 GMT -5
I gotta say, dude, if there's 1 company out there that values things like mic skills, personality & distinctive looks...it's Impact. We live in a world where the former Forgotten Son Steve Cutler could be built up to be a credible X-Division champion and Impact has its own history of missing the mark on can’t miss talent so if they can do that, WWE has less of an excuse. Yeah, they've done a good job with Maclin, so far.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 18, 2022 11:27:20 GMT -5
'He's not over' for a talented performer never makes that much sense. It's the company's job to get them over. If you don't consistently put a wrestler in a position for crowds to get behind them, they won't get over.
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