petef3
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Post by petef3 on Jan 26, 2022 22:23:10 GMT -5
We as wrestling fans REALLY need to figure out what the actual f*** we want promotions to do here, because it’s just mixed messages to me. Like, everyone hates dirty finishes as generally done by WWE. That’s fine. But the only alternatives from there are clean finishes or draws. I can’t imagine people would be too chuffed with wrestling that ends with no winner every single time, so that leaves only clean finishes. And THAT is slowly turning into “I want clean finishes, but only if my favourite person wins/someone I hate loses”. We’re not ever gonna get a full roster of talents in any promotion all simultaneously on Goldberg streaks. Sorry. Somebody’s gotta lose sometimes. And we’re really glossing over the fact that Cole had to literal the murdered to take this loss, too. I wouldn’t exactly say this constitutes a clean L. I'll definitely give them this: they actually did end a match with a big move that's not a finisher or a roll-up. They didn't have Cole kick out and then go down to the Orange Punch.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 26, 2022 22:23:28 GMT -5
I think people are focusing too much on the rankings and less on the sheer perception of a loss. Cole with a loss, even one that doesn't "count," is a little less special than he was before. We as wrestling fans REALLY need to figure out what the actual f*** we want promotions to do here, because it’s just mixed messages to me. Like, everyone hates dirty finishes as generally done by WWE. That’s fine. But the only alternatives from there are clean finishes or draws. I can’t imagine people would be too chuffed with wrestling that ends with no winner every single time, so that leaves only clean finishes. And THAT is slowly turning into “I want clean finishes, but only if my favourite person wins/someone I hate loses”. We’re not ever gonna get a full roster of talents in any promotion all simultaneously on Goldberg streaks. Sorry. Somebody’s gotta lose sometimes. I just don’t think you beat Cole and have him lose a feud before Revolution, whether it counts or not, if he’s the contender. Yeah, maybe it won’t matter, but I just think in this particular instance they should have figured something else out or not had OC look mostly like a goober before tonight.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2022 22:24:47 GMT -5
We as wrestling fans REALLY need to figure out what the actual f*** we want promotions to do here, because it’s just mixed messages to me. Like, everyone hates dirty finishes as generally done by WWE. That’s fine. But the only alternatives from there are clean finishes or draws. I can’t imagine people would be too chuffed with wrestling that ends with no winner every single time, so that leaves only clean finishes. And THAT is slowly turning into “I want clean finishes, but only if my favourite person wins/someone I hate loses”. We’re not ever gonna get a full roster of talents in any promotion all simultaneously on Goldberg streaks. Sorry. Somebody’s gotta lose sometimes. And we’re really glossing over the fact that Cole had to literal the murdered to take this loss, too. I wouldn’t exactly say this constitutes a clean L. I mean, it’s a clean loss within the rules of the match (as in, none). But that’s the thing, Cassidy basically had to damn near kill the guy to win. This doesn’t now suddenly mean Cole is incapable of beating like Fuego Del Sol or something.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 26, 2022 22:26:25 GMT -5
It kind of happens when you have a promotion that’s filled to the brim with wrestlers who have rapid fan bases and they always want their guy or girl to win. You’re never gonna please everyone. I thought it was understood that the reason you have a match like this is that OC can win and it wouldn’t hurt Cole. That’s why this match exists, to have someone lose but not effect their standing. And everyone bitches about the Elite dominating the feud, and if OC lost, people would have complained more. But this is the happy ending I figured we all wanted, and I love both guys. So this was definitely the right outcome, IMO.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 26, 2022 22:26:52 GMT -5
And we’re really glossing over the fact that Cole had to literal the murdered to take this loss, too. I wouldn’t exactly say this constitutes a clean L. I mean, it’s a clean loss within the rules of the match (as in, none). But that’s the thing, Cassidy basically had to damn near kill the guy to win. This doesn’t now suddenly mean Cole is incapable of beating like Fuego Del Sol or something. This is also coming off the fact that I'm not sure why anyone is surprised? Everyone was calling the Cassidy win, most people begging for it, when the Lights Out stip was called, because it wouldn't effect Cole's rank
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asuka007
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 26, 2022 22:27:04 GMT -5
They had Britt Baker go after the Women’s Title not long after losing to Rosa.
This doesn’t hurt Cole in the slightest.
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Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Jan 26, 2022 22:27:30 GMT -5
I personally think it's neat they gave Cole, who has been REALLY protected as far as a guy from another company gets, his first pinfall loss from an original AEW guy in Orange. I've been hoping for a while that Orange would be the one to do it tbh {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}also this may be just me but booking like "wrestler A has to win every single match no matter what for this longass amount of time no matter what because they have to lose to wrestler B at a determined date a long time from now" has been run into the ground by WWE so I'm glad to not see it here lol, and it was technically subverted anyways at Full Gear since Cole lost there too even if he didn't get pinned.
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 26, 2022 22:30:30 GMT -5
AEW does wins and loses right, IMO. They're important, but a clean loss isn't something so devasting that it completely derails a wrestler. Everyone loses at some point and lots of high-profile losses have led straight into high-profile (winning) angles. Britt lost her lights-out match and then won the title literally less than two months later, for example.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 26, 2022 22:30:38 GMT -5
Honestly I kinda don't like that Lights Out matches don't count in the rankings. Not cause it doesn't make any sense cause it does, it's literally an unsanctioned match, but I feel like wins and losses being counted shouldn't be something that guys/girls can escape with a loophole. Like put a big fat 1 next to Adam Cole's name for that match and you've given him something to be on/off pissed about for a whole year depending on how stuff goes.
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john84
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Post by john84 on Jan 26, 2022 22:31:34 GMT -5
Hell, I remember when AEW first started and Kenny Omega had lost a couple of matches and they made a bit of a storyline out of that.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 26, 2022 22:32:37 GMT -5
Honestly I kinda don't like that Lights Out matches don't count in the rankings. Not cause it doesn't make any sense cause it does, it's literally an unsanctioned match, but I feel like wins and losses being counted shouldn't be something that guys/girls can escape with a loophole. They really should only be on PPV where they can get to a serious level of intensity. Tonight’s match was a pretty typical falls count anywhere match.
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mc74
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Post by mc74 on Jan 26, 2022 22:43:35 GMT -5
No f***ing way, Orange Cassidy beat Adam Cole!
That was an awesome match to watch for what it's worth. The ending especially was pretty damn badass.
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Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Jan 26, 2022 22:50:01 GMT -5
Also I assume KOR's on leave for his new behbeh (said in that Kenny Omega voice in that one BTE) but that worked out really well for the story tonight and moving forward to have KOR not help Cole tonight.
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 26, 2022 23:06:37 GMT -5
Honestly I kinda don't like that Lights Out matches don't count in the rankings. Not cause it doesn't make any sense cause it does, it's literally an unsanctioned match, but I feel like wins and losses being counted shouldn't be something that guys/girls can escape with a loophole. Like put a big fat 1 next to Adam Cole's name for that match and you've given him something to be on/off pissed about for a whole year depending on how stuff goes. Same, but I’m more irritated that they’ve gone out of their way to push OC down the rankings when they never game him the one on one title shot he should have earned if the rankings meant half as much as they are supposed to.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 27, 2022 0:30:01 GMT -5
Wardlow got an open mic in his hometown to end the show, that's really awesome
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 1:00:29 GMT -5
Honestly I kinda don't like that Lights Out matches don't count in the rankings. Not cause it doesn't make any sense cause it does, it's literally an unsanctioned match, but I feel like wins and losses being counted shouldn't be something that guys/girls can escape with a loophole. Like put a big fat 1 next to Adam Cole's name for that match and you've given him something to be on/off pissed about for a whole year depending on how stuff goes. Yeah. This. Have a separate category dedicated to "special matches" that don't count towards the official ranking. The way it's done now is a way to elevate one guy without officially damaging the other done in the easiest way possible. With better booking you can get around that.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 27, 2022 6:55:31 GMT -5
MJF is a FAN. What's his account name? Fine. It's me. MID.
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Post by eJm on Jan 27, 2022 7:36:36 GMT -5
I can see both sides of the “should Lights Out count?” argument and I fall more on the “it’s a good way to give someone a loss without giving them a loss” side but if you think that loss makes Adam Cole less special then, well, that really feels more like a You thing than a booking thing.
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ronin705
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 27, 2022 13:06:09 GMT -5
Honestly I kinda don't like that Lights Out matches don't count in the rankings. Not cause it doesn't make any sense cause it does, it's literally an unsanctioned match, but I feel like wins and losses being counted shouldn't be something that guys/girls can escape with a loophole. Like put a big fat 1 next to Adam Cole's name for that match and you've given him something to be on/off pissed about for a whole year depending on how stuff goes. I feel this is Tony's booking style (a) move his chess pieces via feud completions while (b) Narratively "sending the fans home happy' with the right guy winning, without effecting the rankings (back to point A), which is why I don't mind it at all. The loss will still be an "asterisk" for Adam Cole, and maybe when he gets the AEW strap, bang, O.C. has a direct route into contender talks.
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Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 27, 2022 14:43:10 GMT -5
That opener was insane. Now give Sammy some proper singles fueds, what they have been doing up to now with a face Sammy does not work.
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