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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 15:59:20 GMT -5
Nah, not me. I'd say that I wish they had a plan of Triple H taking over from Vince and NXT was part of that plan. If they had a roadmap and one of the first stops was NXT and it's entire purpose was to lead to Triple H taking over then great because NXT was/is dope. The problem is that, that wasn't the plan. The plan was for Triple H to do his own thing with what Vince gave him and if Vince wanted to he could take over it like he's done. He could do whatever he wants when talent gets called up, like he's done. He could dismantle it from the core, like he's done. Now, if there was a plan for Trips to take over then NXT, the overlap between programming and furthermore the call-ups, storylines and such would all be far better and greater. It's just not like that though. The problem lies in the lack of a connected vision. We just needed that from the jump. I think the plan was for Trips to use NXT to prepare to eventually be Vince while also running developmental as from every interview I've seen Hunter said that when he pitched NXT and the PC to Vince his pitch was that the wrestlers who came up from developmental were not ready for TV. I just think that once they got to network TV some of the NXT weaknesses popped up. Matches were still great but a lot of things were not translating from the Network to cable... now admittedly not all of that is Triple H's fault but some is. Either way he made enemies in NXT's success and when times were not as good on USA they struck I think that was Trip's plan, I just don't think it was Vince's if that makes any sense. It's like when he tells Hunter that he'll push (insert NXT star) and they get that guy ready and then when they're called up they try to give them that Superhero Mouse gimmick they tried to give Neville. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 16:15:39 GMT -5
Vince wants what Vince wants and damn everyone and everything else and is and will always remain the biggest issue whether it was HHH or anyone else.
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Post by kevin on Jan 31, 2022 16:44:47 GMT -5
I think you forget how long NXT has been around. Without NXT we never have the Nexus, or Husky Harris which led to the Wyatt Family, or C.M. Punk on commentary.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 31, 2022 17:09:04 GMT -5
Without NXT you wouldn’t have proof that a super indy style would work for a bigger audience. You wouldn’t have a style for AEW to jack
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 31, 2022 17:16:56 GMT -5
Without NXT you wouldn’t have proof that a super indy style would work for a bigger audience. You wouldn’t have a style for AEW to jack Eh, if AEW still managed to form without NXT blowing up in 2014 and they were anchored around Omega, The Bucks, and their friends, I think the style of wrestling on the show wouldn't change much. The PWG/NJPW/RoH style is still what got them to prime time, after all. |
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Post by eJm on Jan 31, 2022 17:26:09 GMT -5
Look, again, I get what people are saying. And hey, you might be right about it.
The issue I have right now is, frankly, the direction NXT went into harmed the future of WWE then helped it from what I have seen and I frankly, would have rather had something that was Vince approved even if it sucked and handed the ball over to other companies to fill the super indie moniker. Like, at this point, it doesn’t feel like anything that happened with NXT really mattered in the grand sceme besides most of the people leaving or being fired. An cynical overreaction, probably, but it feels like it was a waste of time to be invested in it.
I sort of agree with Screwball, NJPW would have gotten the success it did without NXT and an AEW likely would have been a thing at some point since AEW had a lot more to do with WWE being how it was than NXT being a thing.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 31, 2022 19:20:13 GMT -5
I remember thinking even when NXT was at its peak that it couldn't be that good forever.
I had no idea how rapid the cutoff would be when it did happen.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 31, 2022 19:35:11 GMT -5
The issue I have right now is, frankly, the direction NXT went into harmed the future of WWE then helped it from what I have seen and I frankly, would have rather had something that was Vince approved even if it sucked and handed the ball over to other companies to fill the super indie moniker. Like, at this point, it doesn’t feel like anything that happened with NXT really mattered in the grand sceme besides most of the people leaving or being fired. An cynical overreaction, probably, but it feels like it was a waste of time to be invested in it. I felt this way once many of the talent got called up, and again I'll point out the War Raiders. Their changes felt so drastic, that I wondered if Vince and Hunter were struggling to be on the same page. The NXT of the past garnered some good will for many fans, myself included. We wanted to see indie stars get the Bryan and Punk treatment, and it gave us hope for the future of WWE. For me it was WWE finally recognizing wrestling outside of their bubble, and it felt refreshing. I firmly believe NXT should have stayed off USA, and remained a developmental. None of the talent from the past 4-5+ years should have been stuck there. I spoke out about this when talent like Gargano, Ciampa and Cole remained year after year, as if there was no plan for many of these talents beyond NXT. To me, all of that good will has been squashed not so much with the shift back, and NXT 2.0, but with all the talent that was squandered. To go off you point of cynicism, I now believe it isn't only the fans that have been disenfranchised by this, but a generation of talent too. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 31, 2022 20:01:52 GMT -5
I think the counterpoint to the idea that a more Vince-approved version would have been better long-term and that indieriffic NXT harmed the company's future is that we've seen what a more Vince-approved developmental does long-term. WWECW and game show NXT and the years of show-up burn-outs of Johnny Ace hires of 'guy big' that produced very few bankable stars across all the years of that policy. Vince doesn't know what he's supposed to do with people he actually likes and sees as marketable. The indie idea was a failed one because in the end if Vince can't book his ideals well what the f*** chance does anyone else have, but when Triple H enacted those policies he was trying directly to address the failings of the old developmental systems and years of poor results that had their star power stagnating.
Who knows what the indie ecosystem looks like without those signing practices, but I don't think WWE looks any better or more cohesive, and it probably just ends up with guys like Riddick Moss coming in with even less seasoning and significantly worse match average match quality on main roster shows. The alternate history world where they keep hiring aimless college athletes who get trained to kinda do something but not well enough and then they get cut because Vince decided the lactose intolerant farter gimmick he gave them wasn't getting over is a f***ing dire one.
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Post by eJm on Jan 31, 2022 20:10:50 GMT -5
I think the counterpoint to the idea that a more Vince-approved version would have been better long-term and that indieriffic NXT harmed the company's future is that we've seen what a more Vince-approved developmental does long-term. WWECW and game show NXT and the years of show-up burn-outs of Johnny Ace hires of 'guy big' that produced very few bankable stars across all the years of that policy. Vince doesn't know what he's supposed to do with people he actually likes and sees as marketable. The indie idea was a failed one because in the end if Vince can't book his ideals well what the f*** chance does anyone else have, but when Triple H enacted those policies he was trying directly to address the failings of the old developmental systems and years of poor results that had their star power stagnating. Who knows what the indie ecosystem looks like without those signing practices, but I don't think WWE looks any better or more cohesive, and it probably just ends up with guys like Riddick Moss coming in with even less seasoning and significantly worse match average match quality on main roster shows. The alternate history world where they keep hiring aimless college athletes who get trained to kinda do something but not well enough and then they get cut because Vince decided the lactose intolerant farter gimmick he gave them wasn't getting over is a f***ing dire one. I guess all of that is fair. |
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Jan 31, 2022 20:38:34 GMT -5
I'm cool cuz we got years and years of great wrestling.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 31, 2022 20:54:35 GMT -5
Vince should have just retired and let Triple H's vision of the WWE take over. A lot of what is contributing to the failures WWE has everywhere but financially stems from the fact that Vince can't let go. Like all of the failures of the Modern WWE are Vince. Even things like the really bad constant cuts are because Vince loves Kevin Dunn and Dunn thinks it's cool... and not disorienting as f***. The biggest failure of NXT is that it was to show that HHH could take over when Vince stepped down... and it showed that yeah... he probably could at least for the TV Side ... it's just that Vince is never going to step down because he's Vince McMahon dammit. |
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