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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 3, 2022 23:49:10 GMT -5
I was only gonna tune in to Rampage to catch Martinez vs. Rosa but given that result yeah nah I'm just gonna play Pokemon or something instead and wait for their real match
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 23:52:48 GMT -5
The issue here imo is more that the babyfaces in the women’s division haven’t won on TV in quite awhile now. None of them feel like they’re being built up. All of the women being pushed are heels. And when you’re a few weeks out from a PPV and you’re champion had zero story set up at all, yeah I’d say that’s an issue. Listen, I get it, but this is like the fifth time I have seen you make this post, verbatim. At this point we know what you want and we know what they need to do to satisfy you, you don't need to say it in EVERY thread over and over, you have a tendency to fixate on a subject too much, especially when anyone has a differing stance or doesn't line up with how you feel because you see a problem. Not coming from a place of malice, just saying we hear you and it doesn't help to keep beating a drum like this.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 4, 2022 1:31:21 GMT -5
At some point, we really have to talk about the balance issues because for some, it's either heels win too much, and for others, it's that they win too little. And that seems to be something that not even AEW can escape.
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Post by eJm on Feb 4, 2022 2:16:03 GMT -5
At some point, we really have to talk about the balance issues because for some, it's either heels win too much, and for others, it's that they win too little. And that seems to be something that not even AEW can escape. The way I’ve always seen it, and again just me, is that heels need to get wins sometimes to still be seen as credible. Because what’s the point of having bad guys if the good guys can just beat them all the time? You’d then just be watching an 80s Saturday morning cartoon where the status quo doesn’t change much. BUT you do eventually need to have the good guys win to make the whole journey worth it. For me, Jungle Boy getting the pin in the 6 man brawl made the journey worth it because he had those times of having his ass kicked and him hitting the conchairto to do it made it all the more sweeter. But like you said, it does have to be carefully done and you can’t have either side do it too much or else, like, you either get Dick Dastardly being unable to win a race in Wacky Races or WWE misery porn.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 4, 2022 7:31:22 GMT -5
At some point, we really have to talk about the balance issues because for some, it's either heels win too much, and for others, it's that they win too little. And that seems to be something that not even AEW can escape. It feels like there are some who take heels winning matches like it’s not just telling the next step of the feud or whatnot, it’s the booker man laughing in your face mocking you for wasting your time supporting this babyface that isn’t winning the feud RIGHT THE F*** NOW. Now, this is usually a New York problem, because people buy that Vince McMahon would be doing that because he’s such an IRL asshole. But if we’re starting to do that to Tony Khan as well, then it stops just being a Vince McMahon problem, and it possibly starts being a bit of an us problem. We’ve had babyfaces that won all the time (Cena in his main event run, Reigns in his babyface main event run, even guys like Orton and Sheamus in the past), and they’ve ended up being some of the most despised figures in the fanbase because nobody was a threat to them, and people just started feeling bad for the heels instead. The pendulum is always too far to one side or the other.
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Post by holyshida on Feb 4, 2022 8:39:16 GMT -5
The fact that TK has sacrificed his entire babyface side of the women's division to push 2 Women definitely isn't an "us problem" it's a "he can't book Women's babyfaces for shit problem"
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 4, 2022 9:05:14 GMT -5
The fact that TK has sacrificed his entire babyface side of the women's division to push 2 Women definitely isn't an "us problem" it's a "he can't book Women's babyfaces for shit problem" This is what I mean. Soho and Shida and Conti and others didn’t merely lose to Dr. Baker and/or Cargill, THEY WERE “ SACRIFICED”, by Tony Khan himself expressly to mock you for daring to support them. They didn’t win NOW, so they’re never going to win EVER, right? And this fanbase wants there to be MORE clean finishes in wrestling. F***, either admit you just want your favourites to be the ones to win clean all the time or start learning to cope with it when they do lose clean. It’s wrestling, it’s not that heavy. (It’s nothing personal to you, it’s just something that bugs the f*** out of me)
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Post by holyshida on Feb 4, 2022 9:38:43 GMT -5
The fact that TK has sacrificed his entire babyface side of the women's division to push 2 Women definitely isn't an "us problem" it's a "he can't book Women's babyfaces for shit problem" This is what I mean. Soho and Shida and Conti and others didn’t merely lose to Dr. Baker and/or Cargill, THEY WERE “ SACRIFICED”, by Tony Khan himself expressly to mock you for daring to support them. They didn’t win NOW, so they’re never going to win EVER, right? And this fanbase wants there to be MORE clean finishes in wrestling. F***, either admit you just want your favourites to be the ones to win clean all the time or start learning to cope with it when they do lose clean. It’s wrestling, it’s not that heavy. (It’s nothing personal to you, it’s just something that bugs the f*** out of me) They have sacrificed their babyface side. This isn't just 2 weeks, this shit has been going on for several months now. The babyfaces NEVER win, that's the problem. No babyface has won on Dynamite or Rampage at all in 2022 2 big examples of babyfaces being sacrificed pushes for Britt and Jade are Tay Conti and Anna Jay 1. Tay Conti has failed in every title match she's had, there's zero payoff for her that we never get. She was actually more over than Britt at Fullgear, the crowd were behind her all the way and she was at one point trending no1, what did they did with that momentum? Jack shit that's what. She's never been on Dynamite since. She has major babyface potential but TK refuses to consistently push her 2. Anna Jay has yet to win a singles MATCH on Dynamite, that's disgraceful. Like Tay has failed in every title match and was more over than Jade in their recent match in where she led Jade to the best match of her career. Of course nothing came of that match for Anna, she's stuck on Dark again and still winless on TV, another huge star babyface TK refuses to push. My theory is that TK deliberately kept them off TV after those matches because they're organically got themselves over, whereas Britt and Jade are Women he chose and he doesn't want anyone overshadowing women that he wants at the top of the division, he's shown me that he's no different from Vince in that regard Hell even Thunder Rosa hasn't been featured on Dynamite often the last couple of months. She should already be champion by now. So you see the issue I have. The babyfaces never win and we've yet to see any payoff for any of them and until I see change I'll keep saying it
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 4, 2022 12:00:46 GMT -5
I think it is fair to say that with Britt Baker specifically, AEW does focus on her a bit too much at the expense of many others.
And it has been that way from the beginning.
Like who has been “elevated” from feuding with Britt? Kenny and Jericho made people look bigger after feuding with them. MJF knows how to win and not kill the momentum of the faces, etc.
With Britt, and it’s not totally her fault TBF, it feels like her feuds do nothing for anyone. And her reign has been going on for almost nine Months now.
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Post by chrom on Feb 4, 2022 12:09:38 GMT -5
I was only gonna tune in to Rampage to catch Martinez vs. Rosa but given that result yeah nah I'm just gonna play Pokemon or something instead and wait for their real match I've got that and Arkham City to keep me busy for the next weeks
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2022 13:32:27 GMT -5
This is what I mean. Soho and Shida and Conti and others didn’t merely lose to Dr. Baker and/or Cargill, THEY WERE “ SACRIFICED”, by Tony Khan himself expressly to mock you for daring to support them. They didn’t win NOW, so they’re never going to win EVER, right? And this fanbase wants there to be MORE clean finishes in wrestling. F***, either admit you just want your favourites to be the ones to win clean all the time or start learning to cope with it when they do lose clean. It’s wrestling, it’s not that heavy. (It’s nothing personal to you, it’s just something that bugs the f*** out of me) They have sacrificed their babyface side. This isn't just 2 weeks, this shit has been going on for several months now. The babyfaces NEVER win, that's the problem. No babyface has won on Dynamite or Rampage at all in 2022 2 big examples of babyfaces being sacrificed pushes for Britt and Jade are Tay Conti and Anna Jay 1. Tay Conti has failed in every title match she's had, there's zero payoff for her that we never get. She was actually more over than Britt at Fullgear, the crowd were behind her all the way and she was at one point trending no1, what did they did with that momentum? Jack shit that's what. She's never been on Dynamite since. She has major babyface potential but TK refuses to consistently push her 2. Anna Jay has yet to win a singles MATCH on Dynamite, that's disgraceful. Like Tay has failed in every title match and was more over than Jade in their recent match in where she led Jade to the best match of her career. Of course nothing came of that match for Anna, she's stuck on Dark again and still winless on TV, another huge star babyface TK refuses to push. My theory is that TK deliberately kept them off TV after those matches because they're organically got themselves over, whereas Britt and Jade are Women he chose and he doesn't want anyone overshadowing women that he wants at the top of the division, he's shown me that he's no different from Vince in that regard Hell even Thunder Rosa hasn't been featured on Dynamite often the last couple of months. She should already be champion by now. So you see the issue I have. The babyfaces never win and we've yet to see any payoff for any of them and until I see change I'll keep saying it Ah yes, Tay has lost every title match she's ever had, all two of them. Remember when Darby Allin was a choke artist who was never going to win a belt? Me too. Don't know why Conti can't win titles down the line, she's only getting more over and better rounded as a performer as it is, and they clearly love her, and the crowds do too The Anna Jay stuff is just laughable at this point, like conspiracy theory nonsense. Intentionally holding Anna Jay down to push "The stars he wants"? "JUST LIKE VINCE"? Like come the f*** on, how do you expect me to take your stuff seriously when you go to these realms. Anna JUST had her 40th match, she's coming off major shoulder surgery, she's still over, she's still kept pretty damn strong in the record department, and the Jade match showed she is getting back to form more than anything else. They gave her a lot vs Cargill, I don't think that's some indication that they have no plans or wants or desires with Anna Jay, it's just not right now, and for a 23 year old, it doesn't HAVE to be right now. I also need to bring up, these two just had an incredible women's tag street fight, where they won, on Television, where everyone praised them, and it even got WWE to put out a pissy PR statement. Tay and Anna are cornerstones of the division, and never has it felt like they aren't, and won't be champions.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2022 13:36:12 GMT -5
I think it is fair to say that with Britt Baker specifically, AEW does focus on her a bit too much at the expense of many others. And it has been that way from the beginning. Like who has been “elevated” from feuding with Britt? Kenny and Jericho made people look bigger after feuding with them. MJF knows how to win and not kill the momentum of the faces, etc. With Britt, and it’s not totally her fault TBF, it feels like her feuds do nothing for anyone. And her reign has been going on for almost nine Months now. Your ranting about how much you find Britt's reign tedious is actually more tedious than Britt Baker's title reign, tbh. I'm not saying that to be mean, but seriously how many times can you say the SAME THING in different threads, over and over again? The women babyfaces need to win more, Britt Baker's title reign sucks. I don't know who you think hasn't seen your take by now on the board, but it worms its way into every single thread where the women are even whispered about, and it's always said repeatedly, you need to chill on it dude, it's not helping. It legit makes me not want to talk about the women at all, because god forbid I actually don't mind where it's at right now and am willing to see how things continue to develop. I even agree that Britt needs to drop the belt soon, if anything these posts only make me hope for it faster lol.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 4, 2022 22:42:19 GMT -5
This is why you watch the show and don't go completely off the spoilers guys, lol
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