Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 22, 2022 9:47:53 GMT -5
Doink is one of those gimmicks that needs to return. Ziggler would actually be a good Doink. I'm serious, and I rarely ever say good things about Dolph Ziggler. It's the perfect gimmick for a dude that's" good" but is stale as shit.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 22, 2022 12:32:03 GMT -5
Are there any televised examples of Brawler as Doink?
I definitely could tell, as the Survivor Series Doink had a higher voice.
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Magnus the Magnificent
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Feb 22, 2022 12:52:59 GMT -5
As soon as the other Doinks wrestled, yes. Other than that, I honestly don't remember, except that I hated face Doink with a passion.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 22, 2022 13:52:20 GMT -5
Re watching 93 content I've realised how dumb the vaguely supernatural aspect of multiple Doinks was. Like he's a guy in a clown suite who found guys of a similar build and got them the same suit & make up, what's the mystery?
To add: From the time he was the clown in the crowd to the Wrestlemania IX build Doink was great. From the multiple Doinks era to the blow off of his heel run (imo Savage beating him clean on Raw) he was ok. Maybe had Bourne not been fired his face run would have worked. But he was and it was awful.
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 22, 2022 14:34:26 GMT -5
Re watching 93 content I've realised how dumb the vaguely supernatural aspect of multiple Doinks was. Like he's a guy in a clown suite who found guys of a similar build and got them the same suit & make up, what's the mystery?To add: From the time he was the clown in the crowd to the Wrestlemania IX build Doink was great. From the multiple Doinks era to the blow off of his heel run (imo Savage beating him clean on Raw) he was ok. Maybe had Bourne not been fired his face run would have worked. But he was and it was awful. To play mind games on his opponents. It certainly worked with Crush. If Bourne stayed, I'd like to see how fan they would've taken the character. Maybe it could've evolved into the Bourne-again character we got in ECW, get to know the man behind the make up. The character was ahead of its time.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Feb 22, 2022 14:39:42 GMT -5
Re watching 93 content I've realised how dumb the vaguely supernatural aspect of multiple Doinks was. Like he's a guy in a clown suite who found guys of a similar build and got them the same suit & make up, what's the mystery?To add: From the time he was the clown in the crowd to the Wrestlemania IX build Doink was great. From the multiple Doinks era to the blow off of his heel run (imo Savage beating him clean on Raw) he was ok. Maybe had Bourne not been fired his face run would have worked. But he was and it was awful. To play mind games on his opponents. It certainly worked with Crush. If Bourne stayed, I'd like to see how fan they would've taken the character. Maybe it could've evolved into the Bourne-again character we got in ECW, get to know the man behind the make up. The character was ahead of its time. I’ve said a few times here and other places on the internet that the Doink character had legs and could be used today. It’d suit a “bland” technical wrestler who would just need to learn how to hand a bad/evil streak and it’d cover a multitude of sins. Plus, with IT being relevant recently there’s another reason it could work.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 22, 2022 16:06:31 GMT -5
Are there any televised examples of Brawler as Doink? I'm pretty sure he's the third Doink in the balcony on that Raw where Doink challenges Savage and warns him about "triple vision."
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Post by lildude8218 on Feb 22, 2022 16:33:55 GMT -5
I remember thinking something was strange at Wrestlemania 9 when he suddenly had no visible chest hair coming from the suit during the backstage promo.
Then at Survivor Series when he started talking I said "that's not Doink" and was convinced it was Todd Pettengill in the makeup and outfit.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Feb 25, 2022 13:25:27 GMT -5
I actually couldn’t tell it was Chris Jericho before WM 17 I know sad right?
After rewatching 1993 I can see the transition from Borne to Apollo first at The Survivor Series showdown 1993 where Doink faced Bastion Booger in a singles match that was the first time up to that point I realized it wasn’t Borne
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 26, 2022 9:30:40 GMT -5
I was like 7 years old. I didn’t notice the Doinks were switched. I didn’t know Repo Man was Smash. I didn’t even notice that Goldust was Dustin Rhodes until my dad told me. I was an idiot.
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cjh
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Post by cjh on Feb 26, 2022 9:37:21 GMT -5
I remember thinking something was strange at Wrestlemania 9 when he suddenly had no visible chest hair coming from the suit during the backstage promo.Then at Survivor Series when he started talking I said "that's not Doink" and was convinced it was Todd Pettengill in the makeup and outfit. That was Borne in the WrestleMania promo. Up until his match later that day, he was the only Doink.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 26, 2022 9:39:14 GMT -5
I remember thinking something was strange at Wrestlemania 9 when he suddenly had no visible chest hair coming from the suit during the backstage promo.Then at Survivor Series when he started talking I said "that's not Doink" and was convinced it was Todd Pettengill in the makeup and outfit. That was Borne in the WrestleMania promo. Up until his match later that day, he was the only Doink. And he was after Mania. It was an ILLUSION!
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Post by The Creepo Man on Feb 26, 2022 11:17:16 GMT -5
I knew that Dink was a man who went under the moniker Tiger Jackson the minute I saw him because I watched a midgets match involving him against a guy named Little Louie on Wrestling Challenge one weekend. Louie probably went on to become one of Jerry Lawler’s teammates at the 1994 Survivor Series although I can’t confirm that one.
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Post by lildude8218 on Feb 26, 2022 18:00:01 GMT -5
I remember thinking something was strange at Wrestlemania 9 when he suddenly had no visible chest hair coming from the suit during the backstage promo.Then at Survivor Series when he started talking I said "that's not Doink" and was convinced it was Todd Pettengill in the makeup and outfit. That was Borne in the WrestleMania promo. Up until his match later that day, he was the only Doink. I didn't say that it wasn't him. Just that I knew something was off since the chest hair was gone.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 26, 2022 19:13:21 GMT -5
I knew that Dink was a man who went under the moniker Tiger Jackson the minute I saw him because I watched a midgets match involving him against a guy named Little Louie on Wrestling Challenge one weekend. Louie probably went on to become one of Jerry Lawler’s teammates at the 1994 Survivor Series although I can’t confirm that one. As a kid I also knew Dink was Tiger, even had a pretty unique headshape which even the green fuzzy hair didn't cover up. Little Louie did wind up being Queazy who was one one the little Kings. I liked at Royal Rumble 1997 pre show with the mini match, Vince asked King if there were any little Kings out there and then remembers there were three of them.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 26, 2022 21:17:16 GMT -5
Didn't Steve Keirn also play one of the multiple Doinks?
I may have the names wrong, but Bobby Heenan told a story about Borne being on the ring having a match, Keirn coming out from under the ring, and Lombardi being in the audience.
On commentary, he said,"Now if you notice, the one in the ring is rigt handed, but the one on the floor is left handed. And the one in the audience, everyone knows he goes both ways."
Bobby went on to say, "...and I was told over my headset to never say that again."
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Post by cjh on Feb 26, 2022 21:30:24 GMT -5
That was Borne in the WrestleMania promo. Up until his match later that day, he was the only Doink. I didn't say that it wasn't him. Just that I knew something was off since the chest hair was gone. He also said Crush was going to have "double vision" after the match. They sure liked foreshadowing things at the time. The prior year, Papa Shango interfered in Sid/Hogan after Sid said "I curse you!" in his pre-match promo.
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Post by sungod2020 on Mar 3, 2022 9:16:13 GMT -5
Here's a question in regards to if Borne stayed. Where would he go after his feud with Bam Bam? I know a dream feud with The Undertaker(Batman vs. Joker) is a popular scenario, but that would require him to turn back heel, and assuming our timeline is the same, The Undertaker didn't return until Summerslam 94 against his doppleganger, so where would that leave Doink? Or would history play out the same except it with Borne under the costume which would be a waste of his talent/character.
I like the idea of an anti-hero Doink, and maybe somewhere down the line, they could've done that, but I feel he turned face too soon since there was mileage to be had. I'd make his next feud against Razor Ramon who just won the IC title and have him in the spot Rick Martel was. Perhaps win it from him in December and lose it back at The Royal Rumble just in time for Michaels return(who never actually lost the belt) to set up their ladder match at Wrestlemania X.
Doink can then turn face after that, except his evil tricks would be targeted towards heels(it can still be Bam Bam Bigelow and Jerry Lawler) before turning back heel again and then feud with The Undertaker headed into Wrestlemania XI where we can see the super natural elements of both characters come to life. I even remember somebody suggested a casket where a dozen Doinks pop out of it to mess with The Undertaker's mind. I'm drawing a blank of where to go with him after that. Maybe another IC title reign I guess, I don't know how far Borne's WWF character can be stretched out while still remaining relevant.
**Actually now that I think about it, another opening for a Doink/Undertaker feud would be after Summerslam 93 since Taker just wrapped up his feud with Giant Gonzalez. They can feud all the way into the Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania X.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 3, 2022 12:32:01 GMT -5
Re watching 93 content I've realised how dumb the vaguely supernatural aspect of multiple Doinks was. Like he's a guy in a clown suite who found guys of a similar build and got them the same suit & make up, what's the mystery?To add: From the time he was the clown in the crowd to the Wrestlemania IX build Doink was great. From the multiple Doinks era to the blow off of his heel run (imo Savage beating him clean on Raw) he was ok. Maybe had Bourne not been fired his face run would have worked. But he was and it was awful. To play mind games on his opponents. It certainly worked with Crush. If Bourne stayed, I'd like to see how fan they would've taken the character. Maybe it could've evolved into the Bourne-again character we got in ECW, get to know the man behind the make up. The character was ahead of its time. I get that. But were the announcers all idiots? "Two guys with the same make up and outfits on! How can this be?"
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Post by sungod2020 on Mar 3, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -5
To play mind games on his opponents. It certainly worked with Crush. If Bourne stayed, I'd like to see how far they would've taken the character. Maybe it could've evolved into the Bourne-again character we got in ECW, get to know the man behind the make up. The character was ahead of its time. I get that. But were the announcers all idiots? "Two guys with the same make up and outfits on! How can this be?" Actually, if you heard Vince McMahon on commentary, he was able to differentiate the two by Borne's make up coming off, while the fake Doink had a full face of make up. Bobby Heenan though said it was resealable. The referress on the other hand should've noticed that, so if anything they were the idiots.
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