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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 26, 2022 6:44:56 GMT -5
Page feels like a bit of a directionless champion. The Danielson matches were incredible but since then it has felt a bit 'me want title please'
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 26, 2022 7:08:10 GMT -5
It hasn't helped that the Moxley/Danielson and Punk/MJF programs feel like bigger deals than what Hangman's doing at times. Not that a World Champ should be so above everyone else, but the week to week developments of the former two do come off as more high profile to a degree.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 26, 2022 9:52:27 GMT -5
I think its hard to argue that Britt's reign lost a lot of steam versus they were holding off on the Rosa match. I thought it was very good till Full Gear and then just went flat and the Rosa stuff is starting to get that steam back.
TNT title? As mentioned that's about open challenges not really stories right now. But I do think between Sammy having to be part of the ATT feud with the rest of the Inner Circle and then the Cody stuff being rushed Sammy also lost a lot of momentum. Though I think since the ladder match he's starting to get that back.
Hangman is a bit overshadowed right now because of the Dog Collar match but I think his reign has proven he is a true Ace.
So is there a champion problem? I don't think so. I think AEW just rotates what is the center of attention for a few weeks at a time in order to keep things fairly fresh but I do think the Britt reign was hurt
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2022 10:13:13 GMT -5
TNT title? As mentioned that's about open challenges not really stories right now. But I do think between Sammy having to be part of the ATT feud with the rest of the Inner Circle and then the Cody stuff being rushed Sammy also lost a lot of momentum. Though I think since the ladder match he's starting to get that back. I think they realized Sammy's first reign was weaker than it shoulda been because of the ATT feud, so winning the interim title vs Dustin, then defending it vs Garcia, beating Cody in that stellar Ladder match which unified the belts, then Kassidy, then Darby, and now Andrade, has absolutely gotten him back on track imo. If he defends the TNT Title on Dynamite or Rampage this week (Potentially against Scorpio Sky) he'll have defended the TNT Title every single week since the Ladder Match, which is really impressive, and definitely reaffirms his stance to Jericho that he wants to be the best TNT Champion and wants no distractions anymore in doing so.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 26, 2022 10:19:27 GMT -5
TNT title? As mentioned that's about open challenges not really stories right now. But I do think between Sammy having to be part of the ATT feud with the rest of the Inner Circle and then the Cody stuff being rushed Sammy also lost a lot of momentum. Though I think since the ladder match he's starting to get that back. I think they realized Sammy's first reign was weaker than it shoulda been because of the ATT feud, so winning the interim title vs Dustin, then defending it vs Garcia, beating Cody in that stellar Ladder match which unified the belts, then Kassidy, then Darby, and now Andrade, has absolutely gotten him back on track imo. If he defends the TNT Title on Dynamite or Rampage this week (Potentially against Scorpio Sky) he'll have defended the TNT Title every single week since the Ladder Match, which is really impressive, and definitely reaffirms his stance to Jericho that he wants to be the best TNT Champion and wants no distractions anymore in doing so. Yep. My point was more I think people forget how much momentum had when he beat Miro. And I agree I think Tony realized that including Sammy and PNP into the ATT feud was a bad idea. But I do agree that Sammy is getting a lot of that momentum back especially if you see the pop he got in the Darby match
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Post by Legion on Feb 26, 2022 21:44:00 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I dont think either Sammy or Page are bad champions, don't feel they aren't over or a draw, just feel the booking of them as champs leaves a lot to be desired
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2022 22:18:18 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I dont think either Sammy or Page are bad champions, don't feel they aren't over or a draw, just feel the booking of them as champs leaves a lot to be desired I can get the argument for reign one, but Sammy again has defended the title five straight weeks... outside of having like that big title feud akin to Hangman/Omega, there isn't much else he can do, especially given the Ladder Match he went through. Darby's TNT Title reign had a bit of a gaping middle and a really good end to it I feel.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 27, 2022 8:53:10 GMT -5
Not really. Both hit a Lambert speed bump but both have been solid in-ring and Hangman's reign has some intrigue again now the Bucks are involved.
The tag division is really unfocused though, the champions have taken a backseat. I think summed up best by Sting and Darby looking like potential challengers before that was quickly dropped.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 27, 2022 10:07:04 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I dont think either Sammy or Page are bad champions, don't feel they aren't over or a draw, just feel the booking of them as champs leaves a lot to be desired Oh I get what you're asking, and like I said, I do think Sammy's first reign as TNT champ was undercut when they went from Scorpio and Ego going for the TNT title to Jericho vs Lambert. So Sammy needed a rehab there a bit. Page? I think you could argue that for as over as both are the Cole match maybe doesn't have the hype you'd think, but that may just be due to MJF and Punk taking their feud to the next level. But I also feel that his Danielson and Archer matches were fire. I do think that since Full Gear that now that all the champs are AEW originals so to speak AEW has decided to take more of a "highlight these people in the ring" approach for their title reigns and not focus as much on stories. Jurassic Express's only real feud since becoming tag champs has been the Ass Boys but every match they have had have been MOTN
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Feb 27, 2022 11:02:26 GMT -5
It hasn't helped that the Moxley/Danielson and Punk/MJF programs feel like bigger deals than what Hangman's doing at times. Not that a World Champ should be so above everyone else, but the week to week developments of the former two do come off as more high profile to a degree. I came in to more or less say this, right now there's just more interesting things going on. Also throw in all the WTF-ness involving the Codyverse (and fall out of them leaving) and the Death Triangle/House of Black feud Not that that's a bad thing, since I think the show has been really compelling overall recently The World champ is always going to be a big deal and have built in storylines by default since people are always going to be gunning for them, they can afford to fall into the background a bit to focus on other characters and build up eventual challengers
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 27, 2022 13:07:41 GMT -5
The world title is the world title, it's always top billing, that's just how wrestling is? Not even bothering with the rest of your post because I'm sick of having that particular argument, but my response to that would be that if you can't come up with a good reason to do something other than, "But it's tradition!" then you need to stop doing it. Especially when you pay lip service to the idea that you aren't going to do it. As for Hangman's title reign, I think it is suffering from a mix of factors. The Bryan storyline was way the hell more interesting than either of the feuds that's come after it (and for that matter I'd argue vastly more interesting than the Kenny feud was) and Lance Archer was a very obvious speedbump that was cluttered by a messy Lambert dynamic that didn't really make any sense or have any particular reason to be there. Then there's Cole which I don't think is really landing for me 1), because I am well and truly sick of everything to do with Elite drama at this point, and 2), because I just don't find Cole very interesting. And on top of all of that they've been ramping up the talk of MJF being champion to the point it's pretty obvious that one way or another - be it Hangman losing it to him directly, something to do with Punk, or finally getting to a damn point with Wardlow - that that's where the belt's going and it's just like... Can we get some damn mobility on this belt already instead of every single thing with it having to be a bare minimum six month run in service of some broader narrative years down the line? Not saying to have 11 champions in a year like it's 1999 WCW or something but holy shit it would not kill them to have a little spontaneity with this belt for once. yeah i'm partially convinced the reason the TNT and TBS titles got added in was in part to have shorter title reigns with those titles (obviously this is just an assumption regarding the TBS title since it's so new) to make the world titles more important because of how much harder it is to dethrone that champion. world title- 4 champs shortest reign (not counting page's ongoing one) was jericho at 182 days women's title- 4 champs- nyla with the shortest run at 101 days. britt and shida combined have been champs the last 645 days, so definitively a deathgrip on the belt there. tag titles- (surprisingly to me) only have had 6 champs but ranged from FTR at 63 days to the bucks at 302 days, so much more title length flexibility there. TNT title- 8 champs in a year and a half, 182 days being the longest reign for darby, miro was the only other person to have it more than 100 days (not counting combined runs with the belt) TBS title- jade at 54 days. so pretty much the women's title needs fresh blood at the top so hopefully rosa will provide that. TNT title is the "hotshot" belt. TBS title is tbd right now.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 27, 2022 16:22:26 GMT -5
I think the TNT Championship has been fine even if Sammy's first reign wasn't that great. He's been regularly defending it since he beat Cody for the undisputed title and it's more of an open challenge title than anything. Same with Jade and the TBS Championship.
Page I do feel like he's been sidelined a bit compared to other feuds. But I think the feud with Adam Cole has been interesting, especially since it's interwoven with Bucks, ReDRagon, and even Bullet Club intrigue. Could be the launching off point to something bigger. He also had a fun feud with Bryan Danielson that led to a couple of incredible matches.
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Post by clifford on Feb 28, 2022 10:03:50 GMT -5
It hasn't helped that the Moxley/Danielson and Punk/MJF programs feel like bigger deals than what Hangman's doing at times. Not that a World Champ should be so above everyone else, but the week to week developments of the former two do come off as more high profile to a degree. This, coupled with the fact that the Hangman/Kenny world title feud was as good as you can get, and so ANY follow up was going to pale in comparison, and I totally see why Hangman's reign is being felt as underwhelming by some people. Though I will say, I think its always going to be looked back on as a phenomenal world title reign, cause all anyone will remember is the quality of the title matches, which have been insane so far. As far as the other champions go, I think AEW need to lay out title challengers a bit better in advance, rather than knowing the end point of a reign and kind of booking on the fly until they get to it. The exception for this being the TBS/TNT champions due to the nature of their open challenges and propensity for shorter title feuds.
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Post by robferatu on Feb 28, 2022 16:09:59 GMT -5
Personally, I don't mind the lack of story lines for the TNT and TBS championships as I enjoy the open challenge format of them being defended bi-monthly on TNT and TBS.
However, I do feel like the both the AEW World and Women's Champions are prone to getting lost in the shuffle between pay per views as yes, they may have mini-fueds in between large events those often feel unsubstantial and it sometimes affects the build for the major championship matches at the quarterly pay per views. It slightly bothers me when your world champions fall into an afterthought category, and I don't think this is by design, but I do think it's indicative of AEW potentially having too many plates spinning at once.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 16:37:22 GMT -5
Page main evented the show with a World Title defense death match two weeks ago.
The TNT title is sought after by everyone. Pretty much any big name that isn't a top World Title contender has been saying he wants to be TNT Champion.
I don't see how this is lost in the shuffle at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 16:38:26 GMT -5
Personally, I don't mind the lack of story lines for the TNT and TBS championships as I enjoy the open challenge format of them being defended bi-monthly on TNT and TBS. However, I do feel like the both the AEW World and Women's Champions are prone to getting lost in the shuffle between pay per views as yes, they may have mini-fueds in between large events those often feel unsubstantial and it sometimes affects the build for the major championship matches at the quarterly pay per views. It slightly bothers me when your world champions fall into an afterthought category, and I don't think this is by design, but I do think it's indicative of AEW potentially having too many plates spinning at once. They're defended way more than bi-monthly. Maybe even more than bi-weekly.
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