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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 1, 2022 15:40:23 GMT -5
Elias was over AF, probably more so than Cody was with any of his earlier gimmicks, but that was then. This Cody isn't just a main eventer, he's a potential Franchise Player.
As much as I dig Elias and think he has been done dirty by the WWE, it needs to be Cody coming out to face Seth Rollins.
But didn't he get pushed out of AEW for not being that? That stupid stip barring him from challenging for the AEW Title did him no favours and put a limit on the stories that could be told, and him not turning heel was a huge mistake.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 1, 2022 15:55:15 GMT -5
That will probably be where Cody being back in WWE will benefit him most. He seemed really self-conscious about being AEW's version of Triple H or Jeff Jarrett so he did things like take himself out of the world title scene and also isolated himself, creatively, from the rest of the roster (aka, the Codyverse). And then the crowds turned on him anyway because even though he didn't give himself title runs or Reigns of Terror, his meta-stuff happening in a bubble still took up a ton of time on Dynamites.
In WWE? He'll just be another wrestler. So there won't be any perception that he's abusing his executive powers to book himself favorably.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 1, 2022 16:07:50 GMT -5
That will probably be where Cody being back in WWE will benefit him most. He seemed really self-conscious about being AEW's version of Triple H or Jeff Jarrett so he did things like take himself out of the world title scene and also isolated himself, creatively, from the rest of the roster (aka, the Codyverse). And then the crowds turned on him anyway because even though he didn't give himself title runs or Reigns of Terror, his meta-stuff happening in a bubble still took up a ton of time on Dynamites. In WWE? He'll just be another wrestler. So there won't be any perception that he's abusing his executive powers to book himself favorably. I strongly suspect this is a big part of his motives for jumping. The situation in AEW was never really going to improve for long as long as that perception hung over him.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 1, 2022 16:14:51 GMT -5
That will probably be where Cody being back in WWE will benefit him most. He seemed really self-conscious about being AEW's version of Triple H or Jeff Jarrett so he did things like take himself out of the world title scene and also isolated himself, creatively, from the rest of the roster (aka, the Codyverse). And then the crowds turned on him anyway because even though he didn't give himself title runs or Reigns of Terror, his meta-stuff happening in a bubble still took up a ton of time on Dynamites. In WWE? He'll just be another wrestler. So there won't be any perception that he's abusing his executive powers to book himself favorably. You're correct, but one name looms larger over Cody than even Triple H: Dusty. I think a lot of the insecurity over booking himself on top comes from the perception of his father. Trouble is, he also vociferously defends his father's booking and seems ready to at the drop of a hat insist it was good and he would be good for doing it. I think the reason he leans on Triple H comparisons is to keep his send-ups to his dad bigger, with a dash of Triple H having said Cody would never be a main eventer. But the story of Codyverse and the story of all the tensions within can't be told without acknowledging Dusty's reputation and Cody's views on it, because he's clearly of two minds with it and those two minds are always at odds.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 1, 2022 16:33:37 GMT -5
But didn't he get pushed out of AEW for not being that? That stupid stip barring him from challenging for the AEW Title did him no favours and put a limit on the stories that could be told, and him not turning heel was a huge mistake.
I agree with the latter but in regards to the former, there were like a dozen guys in AEW who would make a better world champion than Cody by the time he was on the way out. The bloom had REALLY fallen off the rose with him and hopefully a change of scenery works better for him.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 1, 2022 16:36:56 GMT -5
I could be completely wrong and have egg on my face within the month but I feel like Cody's "WWE guy in AEW land" deal will work much better morphed to "WWE guy returning to WWE land". It's one of the things that has some of the most hype in WWE and wrestling in general right now, even if that hype's tapered off a bit with how long it's taken for him to show up.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 1, 2022 20:02:51 GMT -5
WWE’s problem isn’t that they ostensibly appeal to kids, it’s that “it’s for kids!” is used as though it’s somehow a shield from any and all criticism. Children’s entertainment, done well, is just as valid as other type - forget Encanto or Zootopia or the Pixar canon, a lot of the time WWE barely even aims for the level of Foodfight! Yeah that was sort of the main energy of my initial post about it being a kids show. All the "um this is literally a show for babies" stuff people throw around when you criticize a storyline that makes no sense is absolute trash and it does a massive disservice to the work and care that goes into a lot of actual children's programming. Well I'm not gonna use the "it's a kids show, just roll with it" excuse for lazy garbage, I wouldn't do that with programs for older fans either. I'm more defending the idea of having good acts that appeal to kids period. Like Rey Mysterio overcoming the odds, Cena inspiring kids in need, New Day just being New Day. Midcarders like the Bushwhackers, things that can appeal to a younger audience and still be in line with the spirit of the show. Or guys like Randy Savage as a face, or surfer Sting. This doesn't apply to the Alexa voodoo stuff that bombed, or the Ding Dongs. Or on AEW, I know TK wants to make the product more serious, pushing Blackpool and Punk and FTR and all that, but I like Jurassic Express being there too because they feel like Rock 'n Wrestling characters, and they can also kick ass and appeal to the older crowd at the same time. I just think it's weird how some fans get so mad about "ooh, I hate kiddie wrestling stuff" when the broad and flamboyant nature of the artform is going to appeal to the inner child and just naturally attracts younger crowds anyway.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 1, 2022 20:21:31 GMT -5
Yeah that was sort of the main energy of my initial post about it being a kids show. All the "um this is literally a show for babies" stuff people throw around when you criticize a storyline that makes no sense is absolute trash and it does a massive disservice to the work and care that goes into a lot of actual children's programming. Well I'm not gonna use the "it's a kids show, just roll with it" excuse for lazy garbage, I wouldn't do that with programs for older fans either. I'm more defending the idea of having good acts that appeal to kids period. Like Rey Mysterio overcoming the odds, Cena inspiring kids in need, New Day just being New Day. Midcarders like the Bushwhackers, things that can appeal to a younger audience and still be in line with the spirit of the show. Or guys like Randy Savage as a face, or surfer Sting. This doesn't apply to the Alexa voodoo stuff that bombed, or the Ding Dongs. Or on AEW, I know TK wants to make the product more serious, pushing Blackpool and Punk and FTR and all that, but I like Jurassic Express being there too because they feel like Rock 'n Wrestling characters, and they can also kick ass and appeal to the older crowd at the same time. I just think it's weird how some fans get so mad about "ooh, I hate kiddie wrestling stuff" when the broad and flamboyant nature of the artform is going to appeal to the inner child and just naturally attracts younger crowds anyway. I'm not complaining about shows for kids or even saying WWE shouldn't be a show for kids. There's absolutely a place for that kind of stuff. Rey Mysterio as a pint-sized superhero overcoming giants is great. My initial statement was just that people who dismiss criticism by saying it's for kids look like fools when WWE then does stuff like trying to hype a match up entirely through internet rumour and dirtsheet reports because that is not how you appeal to children. My second is just to say that saying something is a kid's show so there's no point complaining it's bad because kids are dumb and stuff for kids can be dumb too is doing a massive disservice to the entertainment industry and to the love that goes into those productions. If WWE wants to zero in on that kind of stuff with any actual consistency then they absolutely can. Arguably they even should. I'd rather they find an identity and stick with it even if it's maybe not something that appeals to me over being something that doesn't tonally mesh and internally make sense while also still not appealing to me. When Cody finally comes out this weekend, a lot of the kids watching won't know who he is, who likely missed his first run that ended six years ago. So if this show isn't purely for little kids right now, then the people who use that blanket to smother critique are fools and not even factually correct.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 1, 2022 20:25:24 GMT -5
It's kinda weird how this entire tangent about what is and isn't kids' programming is based off someone being unable to recognize dripping sarcasm.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 2, 2022 3:06:53 GMT -5
I could be completely wrong and have egg on my face within the month but I feel like Cody's "WWE guy in AEW land" deal will work much better morphed to "WWE guy returning to WWE land". It's one of the things that has some of the most hype in WWE and wrestling in general right now, even if that hype's tapered off a bit with how long it's taken for him to show up. Yeah I was thinking along those lines last night. Like, all this hype is for AEW's Cody Rhodes appearing in WWE... but who is he there? So much of his character, for good and bad, was wrapped up in leading the revolution, being an EVP, the bedrock of the company and... none of that translates. He's a creative guy so he'll be ok if they let him but he'll need a bit of an overhaul because his character makes no sense in WWE.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2022 3:20:24 GMT -5
I could be completely wrong and have egg on my face within the month but I feel like Cody's "WWE guy in AEW land" deal will work much better morphed to "WWE guy returning to WWE land". It's one of the things that has some of the most hype in WWE and wrestling in general right now, even if that hype's tapered off a bit with how long it's taken for him to show up. Yeah I was thinking along those lines last night. Like, all this hype is for AEW's Cody Rhodes appearing in WWE... but who is he there? So much of his character, for good and bad, was wrapped up in leading the revolution, being an EVP, the bedrock of the company and... none of that translates. He's a creative guy so he'll be ok if they let him but he'll need a bit of an overhaul because his character makes no sense in WWE. I think right now those questions are the hype. WWE is a very predictable, very status quo-driven product, and Cody represents a few things that could shake things up, but could also not. Whether he does is something people want to see. What form he takes character-wise and how he's treated. If he comes in with the creative control to do Cody shit and have Vince's ear. If the fact that him being the first big line-crosser from AEW to WWE ends up being meaningful or not. Those are the things that make Cody's transition interesting, and it could well be that in two months nobody has any interest in it anymore and he's just A Guy Named Cody who everyone is bored with. But right now we don't know.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 2, 2022 6:15:18 GMT -5
Yeah that was sort of the main energy of my initial post about it being a kids show. All the "um this is literally a show for babies" stuff people throw around when you criticize a storyline that makes no sense is absolute trash and it does a massive disservice to the work and care that goes into a lot of actual children's programming. Well I'm not gonna use the "it's a kids show, just roll with it" excuse for lazy garbage, I wouldn't do that with programs for older fans either. I'm more defending the idea of having good acts that appeal to kids period. Like Rey Mysterio overcoming the odds, Cena inspiring kids in need, New Day just being New Day. Midcarders like the Bushwhackers, things that can appeal to a younger audience and still be in line with the spirit of the show. Or guys like Randy Savage as a face, or surfer Sting. This doesn't apply to the Alexa voodoo stuff that bombed, or the Ding Dongs. Or on AEW, I know TK wants to make the product more serious, pushing Blackpool and Punk and FTR and all that, but I like Jurassic Express being there too because they feel like Rock 'n Wrestling characters, and they can also kick ass and appeal to the older crowd at the same time. I just think it's weird how some fans get so mad about "ooh, I hate kiddie wrestling stuff" when the broad and flamboyant nature of the artform is going to appeal to the inner child and just naturally attracts younger crowds anyway. Yeh the issue isnt having Kiddie focused.No one iso talking about Kid-Friendly Gimmicks And its not a WWE issue, but a lot of people "dumb down" histories they think is for kids. And that is the issue, New Day gimmick is for kids ,yeh but there is no reason why Kofi shouldnt have character motivations after losing the title. Or Rollins finding the Funhouse ,which was this weird Metamgic place, burning it down, just for it tor reappear later as still a Magic Place.It makes no sense and people will say "well its for kids".The issue is that WWE confuses Dumbing Everything Down with being Kid Friendly
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Post by khali on Apr 2, 2022 8:09:47 GMT -5
This no longer feels like as big as it could have because it’s taken so long for him to appear, and because AEW hasn’t missed him. He was in such his own universe that the show hasn’t missed a beat.
I’m also not that interested in what happens because it’s very likely Cody cuts some passionate promo about being back home or whatever and it’ll feel really disingenuous after everything he’s said for the past few years.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Apr 2, 2022 11:01:02 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 2, 2022 20:22:21 GMT -5
This no longer feels like as big as it could have because it’s taken so long for him to appear, and because AEW hasn’t missed him. He was in such his own universe that the show hasn’t missed a beat. I’m also not that interested in what happens because it’s very likely Cody cuts some passionate promo about being back home or whatever and it’ll feel really disingenuous after everything he’s said for the past few years. TBH, I think the shows are better without the Cody segments grinding the momentum to a screeching halt. Like, Cody's leaving is a symbolic blow as one of the founders of AEW. But his presence from 2021 on was a drag more often than not that I think it's addition-by-subtraction as far as the product goes. If this was 2019-2020 Cody, it'd be way more devastating, but 2021 Cody? Eh.
It's win-win for everyone involved unless Cody's return to WWE is a complete wet fart.
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 2, 2022 21:33:47 GMT -5
Called the cgi tattoo hahaha
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 2, 2022 21:34:45 GMT -5
I absolutely want to believe Cody showed up at the arena this morning and it was the first time Vince ever saw the tattoo and he was all "Damn, that is one bitching tattoo, pal" and was raving about it to the point where even Cody was utterly dumbfounded at meeting somebody else who actually likes his awful neck tattoo and then Vince demanded the video crew use the tattoo logo as Cody's big entrance graphic and build his entire image around it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 2, 2022 21:34:56 GMT -5
Bit of a lull in the match itself but the entrance and the finishing sequence were both a ton of fun.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 2, 2022 21:38:35 GMT -5
Bit of a lull in the match itself but the entrance and the finishing sequence were both a ton of fun. Multiple Cross Rhodeses and the the Dusty elbows was admittedly a nice way to cap off the match.
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 2, 2022 21:41:41 GMT -5
His character and presentation fits in the WWE better, but still it feels weird without his entourage in his elaborate entrance
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