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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 9:03:10 GMT -5
I also can't exactly remember how long the "Punk is coming to Rampage" hints had been being dropped, and I know it was at least a couple of weeks, but this Cody reveal still at least feels like it's been dragged out for way longer. That's the biggest difference for me.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 1, 2022 9:11:53 GMT -5
As someone who tuned out during the heart of the PG years in 2009 - 2011, I can most definitely say the product isn't based around appealing to kids exclusively. It's not violent and brutal like the ruthless aggression era but it's not a kid's show. It's a show that kids can watch.
I was 14 - 16 during that era and I hated it. That is by far the worst era of WWE.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 1, 2022 9:15:43 GMT -5
I also can't exactly remember how long the "Punk is coming to Rampage" hints had been being dropped, and I know it was at least a couple of weeks, but this Cody reveal still at least feels like it's been dragged out for way longer. That's the biggest difference for me. They announced about 3 weeks out that they were running a Chicago Rampage. Cody and Tony announced the “break up” February 15th so about a month and a half ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 9:49:53 GMT -5
As someone who tuned out during the heart of the PG years in 2009 - 2011, I can most definitely say the product isn't based around appealing to kids exclusively. It's not violent and brutal like the ruthless aggression era but it's not a kid's show. It's a show that kids can watch. I was 14 - 16 during that era and I hated it. That is by far the worst era of WWE. Yeah, I was like 22-24 during that era and certainly wasn't watching consistently then, either. That era and, like, mid-1993 to the early seeds of the Attitude Era in 1996 are definitely the "kiddiest" eras of WWF/E, product wise. I just think that the current era is the "kiddiest" in terms of production and visuals. I definitely think it's the "CGI monstrosities," as they are affectionately known. I am aware that it sounds petty and absurd, but their presence is probably second only to the overemphasis on Brock Lesnar in terms of reasons I don't currently consider myself an active WWE fan. I have no real negativity toward the WWE. I grew up on it, and there have been times when I really enjoy it. I just find that, say, seeing Bianca Belair enter with an enemy from Chocobo's Dungeon following her to the ring, or giant sunglasses CGI Becky flying towards me when I watch makes me immediately change the channel. I think that particular aspect of WWE's presentation right now is a much bigger detriment to "adult" perception of the product than many think. Even from the comments on this thread, I know I'm not alone.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 1, 2022 11:21:01 GMT -5
If they want to have wider appeal, I'm not sure why they don't draw more from what worked circa 1987-1991 or so; the overall presentation of the show was pretty straightforward and could readily appeal to an older wrestling audience, but the characters involved in the more professionally-presented show were larger than life and crazy, so you had that superhero appeal to kids.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 1, 2022 13:02:28 GMT -5
The CGI stuff in the entrances is stupid and needs to go, but I’ll applaud any wrestling company that can appeal to kids and has good booking and unproblematic business. Pro wrestling shouldn’t ever be cut off entirely from kids. You can appeal to adults, but getting a built in younger audience will sustain a company for years and years.
But what does the age range of the product have to do with Cody? His character’s meant to appeal to both kids and adults, not exclusively to one side.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 1, 2022 14:27:20 GMT -5
I really really want it to be Elias. I’d enjoy the reaction more than Cody actually showing up. Shane would suck however.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 1, 2022 14:40:31 GMT -5
I really really want it to be Elias. I’d enjoy the reaction more than Cody actually showing up. Shane would suck however. Elias trolling the Mania Crowd would almost be worth that. That would be by far the most NUCLEAR HEAT since the infamous Seattle Promo with Owens where they deafeningly booed for like 3 minutes straight.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 1, 2022 14:45:09 GMT -5
I also can't exactly remember how long the "Punk is coming to Rampage" hints had been being dropped, and I know it was at least a couple of weeks, but this Cody reveal still at least feels like it's been dragged out for way longer. That's the biggest difference for me. They announced about 3 weeks out that they were running a Chicago Rampage. Cody and Tony announced the “break up” February 15th so about a month and a half ago. 3 weeks out, they had Darby saying stuff about wanting to be the best in the world, MJF dropping a line from the Pipebomb in response to Chris Jericho, and Kenny wearing a bunch of hint—worthy shirts.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 1, 2022 14:46:20 GMT -5
I really really want it to be Elias. I’d enjoy the reaction more than Cody actually showing up. Shane would suck however. Elias trolling the Mania Crowd would almost be worth that. That would be by far the most NUCLEAR HEAT since the infamous Seattle Promo with Owens where they deafeningly booed for like 3 minutes straight. Dare I say it… Elias was more over than Cody in WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 14:48:52 GMT -5
WWE’s problem isn’t that they ostensibly appeal to kids, it’s that “it’s for kids!” is used as though it’s somehow a shield from any and all criticism. Children’s entertainment, done well, is just as valid as any other type - forget Encanto or Zootopia or the Pixar canon, a lot of the time WWE barely even aims for the level of Foodfight!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 1, 2022 14:54:50 GMT -5
WWE’s problem isn’t that they ostensibly appeal to kids, it’s that “it’s for kids!” is used as though it’s somehow a shield from any and all criticism. Children’s entertainment, done well, is just as valid as other type - forget Encanto or Zootopia or the Pixar canon, a lot of the time WWE barely even aims for the level of Foodfight! Yeah that was sort of the main energy of my initial post about it being a kids show. All the "um this is literally a show for babies" stuff people throw around when you criticize a storyline that makes no sense is absolute trash and it does a massive disservice to the work and care that goes into a lot of actual children's programming.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 1, 2022 14:55:33 GMT -5
I agree to an extent, but I utterly detest WWE's CGI. Sure, major sports leagues use the CGI logos and scoreboards and everything in their broadcasts, but there's just something about the atrocious CGI that WWE uses like Bianca Belair's weird lip scorpion thing, or, like Riddle's birds he used to have that makes me feel like they're making a concerted effort for the whole show to look and feel like a child-oriented video game. The NBA on TNT doesn't have an enormous CGI clown accompanying Nikola Jokic onto the court during player introductions, for example. I understand what you're saying, I just personally find WWE's overemphasis on CGI in the last 2+ years to be very "kiddie" and an active detriment to the product. yeah, I'm perfectly fine with the CGI match-up graphics they do, and the "tonight we're presented by ____" spots because it feels authentic. big giant bronze robotic roman reigns statue that disappears feels so f***ing hokey and it's f***ing laughable. I don't even mind ALL of the AR intro bits... just most of them... Apollo's Lions for instance look pretty cool and fit the overall design of his entrance pretty well, as does Asuka's masks, and Sheamus's neon street signs... but giant floating becky head, Bianca's lip hair monstrosity and Worlds Largest man that's made out of gold... don't add anything for the most part look really off putting and don't add anything. Roman's especially just seems to exist to pad out Roman's already overly long and boring entrance.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 1, 2022 14:57:06 GMT -5
WWE’s problem isn’t that they ostensibly appeal to kids, it’s that “it’s for kids!” is used as though it’s somehow a shield from any and all criticism. Children’s entertainment, done well, is just as valid as other type - forget Encanto or Zootopia or the Pixar canon, a lot of the time WWE barely even aims for the level of Foodfight! They don't even usually get teh Quality of the original Masters of the Universe show... which was made up of 90% used footage ... but it was designed to sell something just like the WWE is... only MotU actually made kids want to buy the toys...
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 1, 2022 14:58:39 GMT -5
Elias trolling the Mania Crowd would almost be worth that. That would be by far the most NUCLEAR HEAT since the infamous Seattle Promo with Owens where they deafeningly booed for like 3 minutes straight. Dare I say it… Elias was more over than Cody in WWE. Elias was over AF, probably more so than Cody was with any of his earlier gimmicks, but that was then. This Cody isn't just a main eventer, he's a potential Franchise Player.
As much as I dig Elias and think he has been done dirty by the WWE, it needs to be Cody coming out to face Seth Rollins.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 1, 2022 15:20:33 GMT -5
yeah, I'm perfectly fine with the CGI match-up graphics they do, and the "tonight we're presented by ____" spots because it feels authentic. big giant bronze robotic roman reigns statue that disappears feels so f***ing hokey and it's f***ing laughable. I don't even mind ALL of the AR intro bits... just most of them... Apollo's Lions for instance look pretty cool and fit the overall design of his entrance pretty well, as does Asuka's masks, and Sheamus's neon street signs... but giant floating becky head, Bianca's lip hair monstrosity and Worlds Largest man that's made out of gold... don't add anything for the most part look really off putting and don't add anything. Roman's especially just seems to exist to pad out Roman's already overly long and boring entrance. I love the idea of the AR stuff, and some of it WWE pulls off really well, but 90% of it they go way too far with it and it’s a mess. If they reigned shit in, the AR graphics would be really cool in my opinion
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Post by fw91 on Apr 1, 2022 15:25:27 GMT -5
Dare I say it… Elias was more over than Cody in WWE. Elias was over AF, probably more so than Cody was with any of his earlier gimmicks, but that was then. This Cody isn't just a main eventer, he's a potential Franchise Player.
As much as I dig Elias and think he has been done dirty by the WWE, it needs to be Cody coming out to face Seth Rollins.
But didn't he get pushed out of AEW for not being that?
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 1, 2022 15:28:29 GMT -5
Elias was over AF, probably more so than Cody was with any of his earlier gimmicks, but that was then. This Cody isn't just a main eventer, he's a potential Franchise Player.
As much as I dig Elias and think he has been done dirty by the WWE, it needs to be Cody coming out to face Seth Rollins.
But didn't he get pushed out of AEW for not being that? No, not really. Seems the big issue there was he wanted to book, though I am sure there may have been other issues as well we are not aware of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 15:29:25 GMT -5
Elias was over AF, probably more so than Cody was with any of his earlier gimmicks, but that was then. This Cody isn't just a main eventer, he's a potential Franchise Player.
As much as I dig Elias and think he has been done dirty by the WWE, it needs to be Cody coming out to face Seth Rollins.
But didn't he get pushed out of AEW for not being that? Depends on which version of the story you believe. Some say it was purely financial, while Omega stated it was more of a creative thing
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 1, 2022 15:36:19 GMT -5
WWE’s problem isn’t that they ostensibly appeal to kids, it’s that “it’s for kids!” is used as though it’s somehow a shield from any and all criticism. Children’s entertainment, done well, is just as valid as other type - forget Encanto or Zootopia or the Pixar canon, a lot of the time WWE barely even aims for the level of Foodfight! Yeah that was sort of the main energy of my initial post about it being a kids show. All the "um this is literally a show for babies" stuff people throw around when you criticize a storyline that makes no sense is absolute trash and it does a massive disservice to the work and care that goes into a lot of actual children's programming. I thought wrestling was dumb, corny shit when I was a little kid and that was like, in the middle of Hulkamania which was probably when it was most popular with kids. It'd be even worse if I grew up with today's WWE product.
And considering other wrestling products I like now I think would be way too intense for me as a kid, I probably wouldn't have ever been a wrestling fan until a teenager at earliest.
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